Should we have resigned James Posey?

cfan79 · Post #1 » by **cfan79** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:41 pm

Maybe I'm just becoming sentimental, but I think we should have resigned him. He seemed like he was only player on the Hornets with fire in the last game. It could be just that he really got up for the game because it was against his old team though.

Truthiracy · Post #2 » by **Truthiracy** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:49 pm

Definitely sentimental, I liked him when he was here, but he's *realistically* nothing more than a 3pt shooting, backup, aging, soon-to-be-overpaid small forward. I understand where you're coming from, but I'm glad he's gone

The Corey's · Post #3 » by **The Corey's** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:54 pm

umm, really?

He is better than any 6 man the celtics have right now, and his 3 year contract isn't going to handicap any team any time soon, not like a four year deal for a scrub who doesn't play until the talent leaves (Scal)

At 3 years, the Celtics should of resigned him but obviously they didn't have the money. So yes, I would of liked to resign him but Im not pissed that we did not, we got our championship and if thats all we get out of this roster as is, we should all be satisfied considering how the previous 15 years had gone.

MVP16 · Post #4 » by **MVP16** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:57 pm

cfan79 wrote:Maybe I'm just becoming sentimental, but I think we should have resigned him. He seemed like he was only player on the Hornets with fire in the last game. It could be just that he really got up for the game because it was against his old team though.

Did you not see Chris Paul?

In regards to Posey, it has yet to be determined. Sure we miss his 3 point shooting and versatility, but Tony Allen came much cheaper and is playing fairly well. Plus, how good is Posey going to be 3 and 4 years from now when he's making 6.5 and 7 million respectively?

captain_cheapseats · Post #5 » by **captain_cheapseats** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 7:03 pm

I like Posey and wish he were still around, but the 25 million over 4 years he ultimately got is an absurd deal for him.

cfan79 · Post #6 » by **cfan79** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 7:05 pm

MVP16 wrote:
In regards to Posey, it has yet to be determined. Sure we miss his 3 point shooting and versatility, but Tony Allen came much cheaper and is playing fairly well. Plus, how good is Posey going to be 3 and 4 years from now when he's making 6.5 and 7 million respectively?

I agree about the 3 or 4 years thing, but this year and next year he could have been really good for us. Maybe he would have accepted a shorter deal then the hornets one if we were willing to give him 5-6 million a year.

captain_cheapseats · Post #7 » by **captain_cheapseats** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 7:07 pm

The Corey's wrote:He is better than any 6 man the celtics have right now

TA and Powe are both better than Posey.

BillessuR6 · Post #8 » by **BillessuR6** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 8:12 pm

No. 4 year MLE deal is just too much! If we signed him for 2-3 years that would be great but you need to draw the line somewhere...

Joselo16 · Post #9 » by **Joselo16** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 10:27 pm

Not for the contract he got. Remember that he is just a role player, a great one but just a role player and you shouldn't over pay for role players. I don't know if you guys saw the stat during the game but the bench this year is scoring and rebounding better than last year so its not like we are missing his production and Powe has really picked up on the flopping. I would have been great if he was still with us but he was looking to cash in (can't fault him) which he did.

Post #10 » by **ParticleMan** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 1:29 am

Posey: 4yr, 25 mil.
TA: 2yr, 5mil.
Brainer: No.

Bad-Thoma · Post #11 » by **Bad-Thoma** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 3:20 am

ParticleMan wrote:Posey: 4yr, 25 mil.
TA: 2yr, 5mil.
Brainer: No.

What he said.

l Ioved Posey's game, wish he was still on the team, don't blame him for cashing in, but he sure as hell cashed in.

The Corey's · Post #12 » by **The Corey's** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:52 am

captain_cheapseats wrote:
The Corey's wrote:He is better than any 6 man the celtics have right now

TA and Powe are both better than Posey.

yea, sure they are.

we could argue about powe and what he brings to the team but TA isnt even a debate, too eratic for my taste and you can tell by looking at him that something in his head doesn't work right. so if i had to pick between the two, id take posey, not to mention posey is a better defender, TA is a walking foul when you can least afford it.

Allanon · Post #13 » by **Allanon** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:49 am

As a Laker fan, I am glad the Hornets overpaid him so the Celtics couldn't re-sign him. He locked up Kobe really well in the Finals and his toughness messed with the Lakers' mind.

I'd rather see Kobe vs TA anyday over Kobe going up against the length and size of Posey.

Mahoney_jr · Post #14 » by **Mahoney_jr** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:24 am

I always thought we should have signed him, even though I was scared he could've be satisfied with the contract he got and lose his fire. But that didn't happened in NO. So I still regret it. He will be missed in the playoffs.

GuyClinch · Post #15 » by **GuyClinch** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:54 am

Obviously value wise - TA is a better deal. He is actually a better player as his defensive is far superior to Posey and he can create on O. But there is a catch..

TA is a 1/2 whereas Posey is a 3/4. They don't really play the same role at all. And now we have no one to match up with Lebron and a greatly improved Cavs team. This means Scalabrine will see time. I don't think you can win a championship with Scalabrine playing a role on your team or matching up against Lebron..

BillessuR6 · Post #16 » by **BillessuR6** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 12:38 pm

GuyClinch wrote:TA is a 1/2 whereas Posey is a 3/4. They don't really play the same role at all. And now we have no one to match up with Lebron and a greatly improved Cavs team. This means Scalabrine will see time. I don't think you can win a championship with Scalabrine playing a role on your team or matching up against Lebron..

I just don`t see us going into the playoffs with Scal being our Lebron stopper. We all know what we are missing I am certain Danny knows it too. I really believe Ainge will add a 3/4 before the playoffs start...Anything else would be a shock to me...

humblebum · Post #17 » by **humblebum** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 1:47 pm

Pete, this idea about not having someone to guard Lebron is pure fantasy and you've created it all by your lonesome. Who guarded Lebron off the bench in the first game of the season? Tony Allen. Not Scalabrine, not Glen Davis, Tony Allen guarded Lebron.

And Tony Allen is at the very least = to Posey in terms of defending Lebron. Posey has greater length than TA but has much less footspeed. TA can get up under Lebron for 15 minutes a game no problem. He'll also deny Lebron the catch and force him to work to get the ball. This isn't made up fantasy talk it's all evidenced by how the Celtics used TA against Lebron already this season.

Regardless of people's worries the Celtics still have the recipe to contain Lebron... sure the Cavs are a better team, but if Rondo can play at a consistently aggressive level than the Celtics are just as much improved as a team.

TheCelticTruth · Post #18 » by **TheCelticTruth** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:29 pm

im happy with the way the team is playing...

GreenDreamer · Post #19 » by **GreenDreamer** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:36 pm

The Hornets screwed up by offering him a fourth year. Danny didn't screw up by not doing that. He wasn't worth it. At three years it would have been stretching it a bit. A fourth would have hosed the team's cap bigtime.

The Hornets needed a shooting guard and they signed James. Bad move. Unlucky for us as he would have returned here if they didn't get all caught up in the whole "he's got a ring!!!" thing. They didn't actually think about where he would fit into their system. Posey was more valuable tio us than he was to them, as they will rarely sit Chandler or West to play Posey at the 4 in the clutch, while we readily made that move as it fit our personnel.

GuyClinch · Post #20 » by **GuyClinch** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:30 pm

And Tony Allen is at the very least = to Posey in terms of defending Lebron. Posey has greater length than TA but has much less footspeed. TA can get up under Lebron for 15 minutes a game no problem. He'll also deny Lebron the catch and force him to work to get the ball. This isn't made up fantasy talk it's all evidenced by how the Celtics used TA against Lebron already this season.

TA is just too short to guard Lebron. It's like asking Ray Allen to guard Tim Duncan. It's that big a height difference. Forget about the 'stat sheet" that makes it seem like 3 inch difference. In reality Lebron is a BIG 6'8' and TA is a smaller 6'4". He was 6'2.5" at the combine thing..

It's entirely not fair to expect TA to guard a guy with 6 inches and 50 pounds on him. And he won't be doing so. I saw Glen Davis match up against J-Rich. I saw Scalabrine match up against J-Rich. It's clear that Doc will go to someone bigger as Lebron is BIGGER then Jason Richardson.

One reason the Celtics were able to SURVIVE Lebron last year was that they could throw different looks at him and importantly keep PP rested for clutch situations. I don't think we need some all world player to throw out at him. But I would like some guy physically in the same BALLPARK as Lebron. Heck I would even take Dahntay Jones of the Nuggets. We should have cut the useless Scalabrine and kept him.

And this whole "15 minutes" bit is predicated on the idea that PP won't get into foul trouble guarding Lebron. That's an incredibly foolish idea. You can't go into some finals game but your go-to guy on Lebron and have him sit during key moments because of "foul trouble."

The C's need some flexibility at the 3 spot.

Pete