Abandon the rebuilding plan and go into compete now mode?

Adam1221 · Post #1 » by **Adam1221** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:54 pm

In 2004 the Nets went into clear rebuilding and cost saving mode, that is until Vince Carter was available and Thorn did his magic in getting him here.
Now 4 years later we went into the season with the exact same thought's only to find out that we can be can be damn good and that we have what might very well be the best backcourt in the league.

Now while the current team is playing well (definately better than the expectations) we're definately not a contender or anything like that.
There are 2 teams in my opinion with some fantastic assets that we could use that should be very open to a trade in a month from now (that is assuming everything stays the same) and they are Toronto (a team that just cant go with all those Euro's, a clearly past his prime star in JO and a disgruntled All star in Bosh) and to a lesser extent Philly (a badly constructed roster with zero shooters).

Imagine just how good a core of Harris-Vince-Brand or dare I say a Harris-Vince-Bosh can be?

I dont think its really that out of the question that this trade would entice Colangelo to trade his best player
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.ph ... id=4876436

Or if we're feeling lucky and wanna gable that Brand will be back we can call Stefansky and offer him this trade
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.ph ... id=4876443

What do you guys think?

Preludepunk27 · Post #2 » by **Preludepunk27** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 5:25 pm

I would never do either of these trades in a million years personally. I'm fine with what we got unless something fall in our lap we can't pass up that doesn't cause us to mortgage our future like both of these deals do.

G_MoNeY · Post #3 » by **G_MoNeY** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 7:18 pm

I don't like them either.. I like the idea of obtaining Bosh, more so than Brand, but Toronto would pass FOR NOW. If they continue to struggle, I could see them making a blockbuster move; too early now though since they still have JO on the books and would likely make a move to bring in another player at the SG/SF position.

Revolutionistt · Post #4 » by **Revolutionistt** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 7:20 pm

get that sh*t out my face charles dont you know who the F i am??? im not that intrigued by either one of those trade ideas. im still gonna beat this point until it comes true the nets need some hard nose players. not softies. elton brand is soft and even bosh is a little on the soft side for what the nets need. they need to follow what portland did a few years back where all their players have either been in jail or went to jail while on the team. players that will use brute force to put back a rebound rather than a soft tip in that misses 90% of the time. sheed might be a little old but hed fit nicely for the remainder of the year. stephen jackson is also another player that will put some fear in the opposing team. if you dont believe my point look at the nba finals, pau gasol is a great player but is soft, KG is hard.

ok im insane bosh is not soft at all, but i wouldnt give up all that for him and kopono.

G_MoNeY · Post #5 » by **G_MoNeY** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 7:26 pm

Something like this is obviously more attractive to me, because I like the potential of Lopez. All depends on the direction of Toronto and what they'd want to do. I don't see them wanting Yi when they have Bargnani and I'm not willing to part with Lopez.

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.ph ... id=4876802

vincecarter4pres · Post #6 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:32 pm

G_MoNeY wrote:Something like this is obviously more attractive to me, because I like the potential of Lopez. All depends on the direction of Toronto and what they'd want to do. I don't see them wanting Yi when they have Bargnani and I'm not willing to part with Lopez.

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.ph ... id=4876802

Yeah, cause that is a realstic and fair offer. :roll:

BTW, I laughed when I saw the Brand deal, because before I even opened this thread i knew it would be an offer for Brand.

Of course you dod the Brand deal.

Even if you are still trying to land a big time FA in 2010 or 2011, you get Brand and worry about clearing salary such as VC next year or in the 2010 offseason if that lineup doesn't work out.

Personally, I am not a huge Bosh fan and I think Lopez' potential and ceiling is through the roof, but again, realistically it might be as close to a no brainer as available if Toronto found the deal fair.
He is literally our 3rd target in 2010, and we will have him for 2 years already before he becomes a FA, getting used to playing with Devin and VC.
I really hate to sacrifice Lopez, but if I am to call myself unbiased and look at it from the outside, you pretty much have to do that one.

Preludepunk27 · Post #7 » by **Preludepunk27** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 9:10 pm

Revolutionistt wrote:get that sh*t out my face charles dont you know who the F i am??? im not that intrigued by either one of those trade ideas. im still gonna beat this point until it comes true the nets need some hard nose players. not softies. elton brand is soft and even bosh is a little on the soft side for what the nets need. they need to follow what portland did a few years back where all their players have either been in jail or went to jail while on the team. players that will use brute force to put back a rebound rather than a soft tip in that misses 90% of the time. sheed might be a little old but hed fit nicely for the remainder of the year. stephen jackson is also another player that will put some fear in the opposing team. if you dont believe my point look at the nba finals, pau gasol is a great player but is soft, KG is hard.

ok im insane bosh is not soft at all, but i wouldnt give up all that for him and kopono.

Haha man I love the Jailblazers. I also love when Bill Simmons talks about them. My favorite was a year or two agao when we said something along the lines of "You know you have a problem when you have a convicted sex offender on your team and he's not even in the top 3 craziest guys on your roster." He also mentioned one time how building a team around "character players" like Zach Randolph and Darius Miles was like a friend telling you he's found god, getting in shape and running marathons...but will still shoot heroine.

Man Simmons used to be an awesome writer before ALL this teams got good and he became a homer.

G_MoNeY · Post #8 » by **G_MoNeY** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 9:42 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:
G_MoNeY wrote:Something like this is obviously more attractive to me, because I like the potential of Lopez. All depends on the direction of Toronto and what they'd want to do. I don't see them wanting Yi when they have Bargnani and I'm not willing to part with Lopez.

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.ph ... id=4876802

Yeah, cause that is a realstic and fair offer.

BTW, I laughed when I saw the Brand deal, because before I even opened this thread i knew it would be an offer for Brand.

Of course you dod the Brand deal.

Even if you are still trying to land a big time FA in 2010 or 2011, you get Brand and worry about clearing salary such as VC next year or in the 2010 offseason if that lineup doesn't work out.

Personally, I am not a huge Bosh fan and I think Lopez' potential and ceiling is through the roof, but again, realistically it might be as close to a no brainer as available if Toronto found the deal fair.
He is literally our 3rd target in 2010, and we will have him for 2 years already before he becomes a FA, getting used to playing with Devin and VC.
I really hate to sacrifice Lopez, but if I am to call myself unbiased and look at it from the outside, you pretty much have to do that one.

I said depending on what Toronto planned on doing. Boone has fallen out of favor here, he'd probably start in Toronto if Bosh were dealt. I think we all agree they wouldn't be interested in Yi because of Bargnani. I'd even throw a 1st rounder there way in that sort of deal. Boone/expiring/1st rounder. That has potential of starting talks, IMO. They lack production at the 2/3 - Hayes would address that. Simmons was thrown in, obviously to make contracts work - but he has 1 less year than Bosh and is cheaper. Don't make it sound like an awful deal..

My whole point is this, we're in a "rebuilding" mode for 2010. Bosh is a 2010 free agent, a lot of you are wanting Lebron James (not happening) especially if we continue to lose. You obtain a 2010 free agent NOW, pair him with Harris/VC - and surround them with pieces to get the job done. We've overacheived thus far, we're not really sacrificing anything by dealing players now since the player I'd think we'd be interested in, is starting to moan and become upset in Toronto.

Da big3 · Post #9 » by **Da big3** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:47 pm

LeBron James...

SpeedyG · Post #10 » by **SpeedyG** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:49 pm

First off, that Bosh deal isn't going to get it done, because Toronto would be CRAZY to do that deal. Even if they decide to let go of Bosh, I guarantee they can get a much better deal than Lopez as the centerpiece.

As for Brand, you do it simply because you are getting what is heads and shoulders the best talent in the deal. But again, should they decide to let go of him, other teams can and will offer much better talent than in that package.

crazykidd2k6 · Post #11 » by **crazykidd2k6** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:42 am

I like Bosh. I think he PERFECTLY compliments harris. It intrigues me just imagining him playing with Harris. I don't really think they would that trade I can see it happening if we throw both Yi and Lopez and a first rounder in to make them say yes like this one and one first round

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &te=&cash=

BigWil17 · Post #12 » by **BigWil17** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:45 am

No way in hell I'm trading Lopez for Bosh. Not while Vince and Devin are on the team for perimeter scoring.

vincecarter4pres · Post #13 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:25 am

Boone and a 1st for Bosh?

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lopez probably doesn't get it done combined with a 1st and CDR.

Edit:No offense, not trying to be a dick to you Gmoney or anyone else of our board, but let's be realistic and not sound like 60% of the Blazers board when it comes to trades.

G_MoNeY · Post #14 » by **G_MoNeY** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:58 pm

Boone, expiring contract, wing player and a 1st. That's what I said.

And I'll repeat for the last time, it all depends on what Toronto wants to do. They're probably going to obtain another key player since they're still paying JO, so all of this is null and void. Hell, it's more likely Toronto calls to get VC back before this happens.

lurkingobeiscity · Post #15 » by **lurkingobeiscity** » Fri Dec 19, 2008 1:57 pm

That would be amazingly stupid.

deviljets7 · Post #16 » by **deviljets7** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:39 am

G_MoNeY wrote:
I said depending on what Toronto planned on doing. Boone has fallen out of favor here, he'd probably start in Toronto if Bosh were dealt. I think we all agree they wouldn't be interested in Yi because of Bargnani. I'd even throw a 1st rounder there way in that sort of deal. Boone/expiring/1st rounder. That has potential of starting talks, IMO. They lack production at the 2/3 - Hayes would address that. Simmons was thrown in, obviously to make contracts work - but he has 1 less year than Bosh and is cheaper. Don't make it sound like an awful deal..

You can try to spin it however you want, words can't describe how hideous of a package that is for Toronto.

Would you even remotely consider dealing Devin Harris for that type of package? Bosh has more value than Devin.

deviljets7 · Post #17 » by **deviljets7** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:49 am

As much as I like Lopez, the Bosh trade is one you do and send it to the league before Toronto regains common sense and changes their mind.

As to the Brand one, call my crazy, but I'd decline that one. I know it hasn't been that long, but Brand is hurt and just does not seem to be the same player as he was before the achilles injury.

realfung · Post #18 » by **realfung** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 8:36 am

The now mode is always on, but Thorn just has another plan in 2010.

mack69 · Post #19 » by **mack69** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 8:39 am

I still say we should continue in the course but I am thinking that our focus should not be solely on LBJ for 2010. Personally, I dont think we have a chance of signing him with that said i am looking at the Stoudemire situation in Phx. That is more intriguing!!!!!

IMO, I would like to go after Marion now and use our balnce of draft picks to find a VC replacement for the upcoming years. I think Marion gives us a different look that compliments our guards that we have now. Unlike Simmons who would prefer to stay out on the perimeter Marion would slash and drive to the basket which would definitely makes it hard for a team to defend us.

Use a veteran to improve our SF slot. Let the Yi/Anderson experiment continue for the next two years and keep the better of the two at the PF until 2010.