Which PG Do We Draft?

UKF · Post #1 » by **UKF** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:42 pm

After the year Beno Udrih is continuing to have, which PG do we go after? Brandon Jennings is a tremendous PG with a large amount of speed and athleticism with natural PG skills. He lacks on the defensive end and draws some questions after the decision to not go into the NCAA and play basketball in Europe instead. Ricky Rubio doesn't have the ideal speed and athleticism of an NBA player but he has the basketball IQ of someone like Steve Nash. And being from Europe he will have the fundamentals down. The performance he had in the Olympics won't hurt him either. There are other PG's out there like Jrue Holiday and Stephen Curry, but when it comes time for us to draft our PG of the future I think it will come down to Jennings or Rubio. If you think differently state why.

Norbit · Post #2 » by **Norbit** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 7:45 pm

I would be happy with either but if Rubio declares you gotta go with him. I think Rubios game would compliment Martin best. As for the rest of the pgs in the draft I would hate to see a Curry, Martin backcourt we would get torched everynight but opposing teams backcourts.

Ballings7 · Post #3 » by **Ballings7** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 10:25 pm

Offensively, obviously whoever it'll be they'll be significantly skilled, that's not going to be any concern. But as long as there is defensive ability present, or worth thinking about - that's our guy IMO.

I don't want to see us have another main, good PG who is a relatively bad defensive player (Williams, Bibby), and won't get better.

SacKingZZZ · Post #4 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 1:07 am

Unless we take Rubio maybe this PG crop, at least the top 10 prospect types (or hyped prospects) may not be what it was cracked up to be. We may actually be able to find a really good PG with that Houston pick though. The guys I'd be looking at are Darren Collison, Jeremy Pargo, and Johnny Flynn. Pargo especially has the chance to be really, really special. Reminds me of Baron Davis a little bit.

Downtown · Post #5 » by **Downtown** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 1:17 am

It's funny, I'd put Patrick Mills above Collison, Pargo, and Flynn. If Pargo remind you of Davis, Mills reminds me of Tony Parker.

longfellow44 · Post #6 » by **longfellow44** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:07 am

I'm going with jennings because he could absolutely be a 1st option while i think rubio is probably another second option on offense. Brandon Jennings has tons of talent and has an allen iversonesque cross over. His outside shooting is getting better and he attacks the basket extremely well. His defense has gotten better and shows signs of being a good defender overall.

SacKingZZZ · Post #7 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 5:18 am

Downtown wrote:It's funny, I'd put Patrick Mills above Collison, Pargo, and Flynn. If Pargo remind you of Davis, Mills reminds me of Tony Parker.

That's the thing with Mills though, I could see him going as high as 12-20, and our own pick is probably too high to justify taking him there with the crop of talented combo F's and big men available, and our Houston pick is probably too low to get him there.

Downtown · Post #8 » by **Downtown** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 5:38 pm

Yeah, I was thinking about the Houston pick being the position to draft Mills from. But a sharp Gm could move in on another team and swap picks with a little incentive added. Is Minnesota going to hang onto the Heat's pick if they could make a trade for Houstons pick and some players?

One player I didn't mention and should be included here is Jrue Holiday, even though he's a freshman. He might stay at UCLA another year but if the Kings play picks up once Martin comes back I could see your team ending up between #6-10 in the draft. A guarantee to Holiday in that range might be pretty good incentive to declare.

HUBlackstar83 · Post #9 » by **HUBlackstar83** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 6:54 pm

Put me on the Brandon Jennings bandwagon. Sometimes the best defense is offense. This guy will be a terror to guard on the offensive end, you think D. Rose and Paul are fast, wait till you see him. The biggest things I like about Jennings are his crossover and his passing ability. Jennings just seems to be a naturally skinny guy. When he gets to the NBA, hopefully he can bulk up the best that his body can handle. I wouldn't mind a PG tandem of Jennings and Brown, very exciting IMO.

deNIEd · Post #10 » by **deNIEd** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 8:14 pm

Mills is without a doubt faster than Jennings

Norbit · Post #11 » by **Norbit** » Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:40 pm

Wow I find it surprising how many more votes for jennings over rubio, just the hype alone i thought he was the clear cut second pick after griffin in this draft if he declared.

Smills91 · Post #12 » by **Smills91** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:56 am

In the lottery, you never draft for need. You draft the Best Player available. And honestly, I don't think it's a steep drop-off at all from Rubio/Jennings to Mills/Lawson and other PG's that will be available later in the draft. I don't think Rubio/Jennings is a very good value pick with a top 5 pick in this particular draft.

Downtown · Post #13 » by **Downtown** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 3:43 am

I kind of agree. If your GM can swing a deal to move the Houston pick up a bit I would wait and try for a pointguard with that pick and go for the best player available with your own selection which makes it 50/50 for going with a need versus going for who you feel is the best player.

Now where I really agree with the best player style is my Seattle Supersonics. We watched as our lousy GM, Rick Sund, went for a raw, teenage center 3 years in a row to shore up the mess of Vin Baker, Calvin Booth, and then Jerome James and all 3 have been poor selections. Some of us begged for Al Jefferson over Robert Swift, Ronnie Brewer over Sene. Johan Petro was okay since he was a #24 pick which is a crapshoot down there anyways.

And before the center fiasco we drafted Luke Ridnour and Nick Collison the same draft at #10 and #12 to fill a hole when it was rumored both Miami and Toronto were willing to trade their picks for both of Seattle's. It could have netted us Dwayne Wade or Chris Bosh, but Sund felt he needed to keep both picks because of need.

And to make things worse the year Rashard Lewis said he was thinking of opting out we drafted Vladimir Radmanovic at #12 just in case Lewis did leave, which he didn't.

So there's one teams history of going with strictly a need instead of the best player available. It set our team back for a long time and we never did recover but instead lost our team because we fell way down from where we used to be and the owner sold out.

Just food for thought.

SacKingZZZ · Post #14 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 5:03 am

I don't predict Petrie drafting based on need. I think it factored in to a degree on the last two picks but if there is an example of how Petrie rarely picks for need it's that year we drafted Douby. He was clearly going for what he thought was talent because we certainly could have used a big body. I think at the time we were rotating two 6'7" guys at PF and backup C.

Post #15 » by **KF10** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 7:51 am

Like I said in the past, Jennings is my guy. But knowing Petrie, he might surprise us. I would be disappointed if we pick Stephen Curry or something.

mobiuseinz · Post #16 » by **mobiuseinz** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:01 pm

Stephen Curry reminds me of Bibby in some ways... and that's not good cos that would be a Petrie pick... if we can get Blake Griffin, then HELL YEAH, if not, then I would be fine with either Jennings or Rubio.

Crimson King · Post #17 » by **Crimson King** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:05 pm

http://acbtv.acb.com/video/1174

See #1.

#5 is Sergei Ibaka, and the defender in #3 is Shakur.

deNIEd · Post #18 » by **deNIEd** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:29 pm

My biggest concern with Jennings is how smart he is. He is a kid that went to Europe BECAUSE he didn't have the SAT scores to get into Arizona (or wherever he committed to). Now, SAT scores of course don't have a strong correlation with NBA skill, however, it makes me nervous to know that the player leading the offense is dumber than pretty much every person in the arena.

Post #19 » by **ICMTM** » Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:50 pm

I didn't have the best SAT scores either but I'll put my IQ up against anyone and win!

Seriously though SAT (enter your standardized test here) only measures what you know (or have been taught or retained) not how smart you are. Remember Amare Stoudemire couldn't go to college because he mom took money from an agent, but I don't think he's dumb in a basketball sense.

Also if the idea is to be a professional athlete I think Jennings is SMART! He's got a $5m endorsement deal with under armour (I think that is correct) and he's getting paid for basically on the job training. Everyone knows he's not going to finish school, so why go the school route? He's playing with athletes that are better than the ones in college as well.

Back to the subject. I think Jennings has more upside than any of the other pg's I disagree with Smills that there isn't any value with Rubio or Jennings. I'm pro Jennings ATM, but I'm not down on anyone. Also my thought is if we pick either Jennings or Rubio they better work out otherwise we're hosed as a franchise.

bflewis · Post #20 » by **bflewis** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 12:05 pm

Petrie WILL Draft Based on Need!
We Needa Legitimate 1st Scorinng Option.
And Petrie Rarely Fails 2 Deliver In The Drafts.
We can all agree that Hawes + Thompson Surprised Us...
But They both seem to have bright futures on this team!
I Predict we will end up with the 4th or 5th pick and Houston's 23-25th pick!
I love Jennings because he is that #1 option and Hansbrough with houstons pick!

Which point guard should we draft in 2009?