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Re: Breaking News: Kings fired Theus 

Post#41 » by KF10 » Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:11 am

ctorres wrote:Even still, this thread should be at 5 to 10 pages by now, not barely making it to the 3rd page.

I thought Sacramento had one of the stronger fanbases in the league. Do they just not get online on realgm as much as other teams' fans?


Well, we did talk about this specific issues in other threads. We usually discuss this issue in game threads...Go check it out. There must be like over 15+ pages of information about Theus and the issue playing time of youngsters...

So, it isn't like we are not discussing about it but we already have...extensively..
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Re: Breaking News: Kings fired Theus 

Post#42 » by Sac Fan in Clipper town » Sat Dec 20, 2008 3:14 pm

Why not fire Petrie instead? He has over seen the dismantling of the franchise..?

I predicted 25 wins this year, that may be too high.
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Re: Breaking News: Kings fired Theus 

Post#43 » by KingInExile » Sat Dec 20, 2008 3:46 pm

Sac Fan in Clipper town wrote:Why not fire Petrie instead? He has over seen the dismantling of the franchise..?

I predicted 25 wins this year, that may be too high.

Do you not understand the concept of rebuilding?
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Re: Breaking News: Kings fired Theus 

Post#44 » by Sac Fan in Clipper town » Sat Dec 20, 2008 7:24 pm

Question is whether it is rebuilding or destruction..looks like the latter to me, more than the former. If you are rebuilding, you play the kids, and see what happens, you don't sign useless FA's like Moore and Udrich.

Also I know a little bit about running a business, and having crowds drop by 50% will only accelerate the move to Las Vegas, which is probably the end game anyway.
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Re: Breaking News: Kings fired Theus 

Post#45 » by KingInExile » Sat Dec 20, 2008 10:56 pm

Sac Fan in Clipper town wrote:Question is whether it is rebuilding or destruction..looks like the latter to me, more than the former. If you are rebuilding, you play the kids, and see what happens, you don't sign useless FA's like Moore and Udrich.

Also I know a little bit about running a business, and having crowds drop by 50% will only accelerate the move to Las Vegas, which is probably the end game anyway.

Ah...the real motive of your post...to rant about your conspiracy theory that all of this is a plot by the Maloofs to move the team. I guess having a state and national economy that is in the crapper would have nothing to do with sagging ticket sales? Since you are someone who theoretically knows something about running a business, I would assume you would understand that discretionary spending on entertainment takes a huge hit in bad economic times in favor of people spending money on, oh...say, food and housing.
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Re: Breaking News: Kings fired Theus 

Post#46 » by Sac Fan in Clipper town » Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:01 am

My background with the Kings goes back to 1987 and my then employer underwrote the bonds for Arco. I had dealings with Joe B and Greg L in those days. I helped broker the deal to sell them to my long term client, Jim Thomas, and have always hoped the franchise would do well.

It did in the mid late 1990's/early 2000 era but has floundered in recent years....I no longer live in N Cal (unfortunately), and not close to the organization, though I have met the brothers socially.

It is painful to watch the team resemble a Rex Hughes coached group and the 1-40 road record era. So be sarcastic if you like, a moderator's privilege, but if I were a Kings owner, I would do everything in my power to get the team to Las Vegas, and rebuild the franchise value and even sell once there. These guys want a return on their capital, and that's the most logical way to do it. An NBA owner has no real community responsibility, it is a private business and they must act accordingly, unless they see the team as a tax write off, which I doubt, the Maloofs are too competitive for that.
No conspiracy theory, just good business sense.

As for Geoff, the indecison of the last 2 seasons has come to haunt him, and now the product is barely watchable. He has fired 3 coaches in just over 4 seasons, and soon the arrow must point to him?

I wish the Kings and its fans well, but this can't last indefinitely. No point in having cap space if you draw 9000 at home.
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Re: Breaking News: Kings fired Theus 

Post#47 » by pillwenney » Mon Dec 22, 2008 6:47 am

Sac Fan in Clipper town wrote:My background with the Kings goes back to 1987 and my then employer underwrote the bonds for Arco. I had dealings with Joe B and Greg L in those days. I helped broker the deal to sell them to my long term client, Jim Thomas, and have always hoped the franchise would do well.

It did in the mid late 1990's/early 2000 era but has floundered in recent years....I no longer live in N Cal (unfortunately), and not close to the organization, though I have met the brothers socially.

It is painful to watch the team resemble a Rex Hughes coached group and the 1-40 road record era. So be sarcastic if you like, a moderator's privilege, but if I were a Kings owner, I would do everything in my power to get the team to Las Vegas, and rebuild the franchise value and even sell once there. These guys want a return on their capital, and that's the most logical way to do it. An NBA owner has no real community responsibility, it is a private business and they must act accordingly, unless they see the team as a tax write off, which I doubt, the Maloofs are too competitive for that.
No conspiracy theory, just good business sense.

As for Geoff, the indecison of the last 2 seasons has come to haunt him, and now the product is barely watchable. He has fired 3 coaches in just over 4 seasons, and soon the arrow must point to him?

I wish the Kings and its fans well, but this can't last indefinitely. No point in having cap space if you draw 9000 at home.


Yeah, it's pretty excusable for a franchise to flounder for a little bit when they basically lose their franchise player, to whom they still owe (at the time they lost him) almost $100million over the course of the next decade. You'll probably say the Webber situation could have been handled better, and that's true, it probably could have. But that kind of bad luck is going to make keeping the franchise respectable nearly impossible. But the franchise did remain respectable. They made the playoffs for the next two years.

I think most here agree that with the way that team was going, it would have remained respectable for the following years if Adelman had stayed around. So then blame Geoff for that, right? I mean after all, you said that he fired Adelman. Except--oh wait, he had nothing to do with Rick's contract being renewed. That was a Maloof family decision--as was hiring Musselman. If you really think that Geoff was the one that decided that Rick would be staying in Sac, then I frankly just don't think you're well-informed enough to speak on this topic.

But most important is the fact that you seem to forget that when these fans have something to cheer for, they are arguably the best fans in the league. Even now, Arco gets very loud when the team has something to cheer for, and I would be willing to bet a whole lot of money that with a playoff-caliber team (8th seed), this arena would be back to selling out every night. Right now, the team is rebuilding, so people aren't going to pay to see them. That's what it boils down to. The Maloofs still charge a lot for the tickets, and people just can't afford to go to the games. But yes, the team is rebuilding. It's okay to have veterans while the team rebuilds. The young guys are developing just fine. The idea that that rebuilding teams clear out all veterans and just give young guys starter minutes to "develop" is a complete fallacy. Young players improve in practice and develop chemistry in games.

This team will be a playoff caliber team again in a couple years. Until then the Maloofs will just have to be a little patient, and ideally charge less for seats (I honestly don't understand why they don't do this right now. They'll make less per ticket, but more people will buy tickets and it will make for a better home arena).
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Re: Breaking News: Kings fired Theus 

Post#48 » by n_a_h_t_a_n » Sun Dec 28, 2008 2:17 pm

Ive been keen to comment on this thread for a while now but my internet went in the crap hole when I clicked send (maybe because even the internet knew that my posts are 99 % crap)


I think guys are to quick to jump to a conclusion because the kings are playing bad. But i mean come on just look at our roster

Beno - hasnt played as well as last year but realisticly. isnt even in the top 25 PG's isnt pretty bad defensivly so opponents get around him easier (and for those who say noone can keep Chris Paul/Tony Parker out of the lane is true, but with Beno they get more time to make a decision which is quiet important
Martin - played half the year of course the team isnt going to be as good.
Salmons - again realisicly he's just an averge sf
Moore - decent bench player playing starters minuites
Miller - improves the offence but cannot defend the rim - which makes for a bad combonation with Beno
Hawes - a great young player but isnt he only 21 ?
Thompson - read above
Garcia - played 5 games. best bench player
Bobby's x2 - only play limited mins

The one player whos better then average is Martin (arguably Miller) and he's missed half the season to date our records 6-16

I still stand by this in saying the Kings this year have been way overrated by there own fans I really do feel for Reggie i mean last year people were saying he was a dark horse for Coach of the year

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