Official Trade Thread (all trade ideas here. No exceptions)

[It_Was_Typed]

Philly: Shooter that they've been needing.

Los Angeles: Some added toughness and depth at the guard position with Farmar out for an indefinite time.

[Jajwanda]

I don't know if we gain anything though.

[It_Was_Typed]

True but the Lakers have a glut of small forwards and right now need depth with Big Ears out (they're only running Kobe, Fish and Machine at the guard rotation).

Kareem already has experience with the triangle and can shoot.

[lakeshow248]

I like both deals the G Wallace deal from Juanda and the last one works just because it's addition by subtraction. I like Reggie Evans mold and Kareem is well know in LA.

I'd like a big shake up like, Reggie and Kareem incoming for Vlad w/ G Wallace and Nazi for Odom and Luke. Then maybe adding a Ty Lue for the short term for say Mihm.

Fish/ Lue, Farmar
Kobe/Sasha, K Rush
Bynum, Nazi
Gasol, Evans
Wallace, Ariza,

[lakeshow248]

I'd have to add this about Evans and his profile on Hoopshype http://hoopshype.com/players/reggie_evans.htm.. He is excellent rebounder, work horse and play dirty often--hard foul or a charge anyone..just one time

[Jajwanda]

Right now it's not even talent that's hurting this team. It's completely idiotic passive play. I've never seen a lineup so determined to be mediocre and lose.

[Erik Eleven]

Yeah, in the second half tonight the Lakers showed some medium level of intensity for the first time since game 2. It was good to see them getting pumped up afterwards. But they looked like they had accomplished something amazing. They did hustle quite a bit, but that's not worthy of big praise in my book, it should never be any less intense than what they showed in the second half tonight. Never. That level of hustle should be a constant lowest common denominator. If they can use this as a stepping stone now to get over the mental hump that has plagued them, that would be great. Any momentum needs to be capitalized on at this point.

[Jajwanda]

Somehow I'm starting to think a Shane Battier or simple shooter at SF is not the way to destroy Boston.

You know one thing we've been missing so far this year is the slight dilemma that the Celtics face when they play the Lakers. Sure Tony Allen has improved but he's Tony Allen not Ray Allen. If the Lakers were to acquire a SF like a Richard Jefferson, Gerald Wallace or the like the Celtics are more or less forced to guard Kobe with Ray Allen or will be forced to take some huge offense off the floor in Ray Allen. If Kobe can have his way with him that will certainly force

PG- Rondo
SG- Allen (Tony)
SF- Pierce
PF- Garnett
C- Perkins

Onto the floor. Either way the lack of Posey will hurt them in the matchup this year if we can just avoid the mistake of playing into their strategy of the Vujajic-Bryant SG-SF lineup. Instead we could play the:

PG- Vujajic on Tony or Ray Allen
SG- Bryant on Rondo
SF- say Gerald Wallace on Paul Pierce

Well now what a difference from last year as without Ray Allen the Celtics are quite a bit weaker. If they leave Ray Allen in no problem, Kobe will get him in foul trouble and post up with the Lakers using Odom at PF. Kobe could not do that against Posey. To be sure Tony Allen is no punk he's actually pretty good and we should have signed him. However to bother Kobe you have to be larger. I'm never seen a smaller opponent have his way with Kobe especially not Ray Allen in the post.

[semi-sentient]

Trade ID #4885868

LAL Incoming / DET Outgoing: Tayshaun Prince, Kwame Brown, Amir Johnson
LAL Outgoing / DET Incoming: Lamar Odom, Trevor Ariza, Chris Mihm

Why?

Because.

[Jajwanda]

I'm also thinking it may cost us an Ariza to make a deal for a better SF. However that would be somewhat of a downgrade. A better solution could have been Jordan Farmar but that option may be out the window lately.

I think we'll have a better gauge of what we need by Thursday. My prediction is that we'll simply have to pay up and trade Odom for a legitimate 3 like Jefferson.

[what would jack bauer do?]

My top 4 more realistic swingmen we should add to our roster:

1. Francisco Garcia
2. Willie Green
3. Thabo Sefolosha
4. Keith Bogans

The bottom three swingmen on the list are all workmen-like and play hard defense every night. I think they're all definitely attainable for smaller pieces. If we added them we could play any of them alongside Kobe filling the 2 and 3 positions.

If we add Garcia we basically get Shane Battier plus better offense. The dude isn't a freak athlete or anything, but he just plays the game right. He doesn't gamble on D and he plays hard every night. He's capable of playing the 1, 2, and 3 positions and most important he has a high bball IQ with a jumpshot.

I'm thinking the trade should involve Farmar and our 1st rd pick for Garcia, I might even add more to the pot if they wouldn't budge. If they want a Radman for Kenny Thomas swap I'd do it, if they want our Bobcats 2nd I'd throw it in. The trade would definitely need fillers to make salaries match, but if Mitch could get make that Gasol trade match up then we can make something work here. Now if only we could fool a division rival like the kings into handing us a player that would basically make us the best team in the league.


The other guy I'm really interested in is Joakim Noah. I know he's weak on offense, but he's basically a rich man's version of Ronny Turiaf. He blocks shots and he does it while rebounding at a very high rate. He's big enough to guard some centers and he's mobile enough to compliment either Pau or Bynum on both ends. He's got that spark in him that would pump up our team just like Ronny did, plus he would back it up with his play on the floor. The dude just has a good motor in him even though he's not a complete physical specimen. He'll be a double-double caliber player in the future.

At the rate the Bulls are going I'd look to trade them Odom, Mihm, and that bobcats 2nd for Noah and Nocioni. They might consider it to get rid of Nocioni's long contract. A more realistic trade might be a 3 way with the Knicks.

Knicks get: Odom
Bulls get: David Lee
Lakers get: Joakim Noah, Sefolosha, Jared Jeffries

That would just be the core of the trade, but that trade would definitely need fillers. I think the Knicks pull that trade off because they get to dump Jeffries and they're going to need to resign Lee in the summer which would effect their salary for 2010. The bulls would get an upgrade over Joakim Noah that's tradeable in the future if they want to make cap space. The Bulls would probably want more, but there are a lot of pieces that can be moved between us and the Knicks.

Anyways the core rotation I want in the playoffs would look like

Fisher/Sasha
Kobe/Garcia/Sasha
Garcia/whoever is left from Ariza/Radman/Walton
Pau/Noah
Bynum/Noah

That team would be legit on defense and we wouldn't be giving up our offensive firepower.

If you guys think we're getting lowballed for Odom, let me explain my train of thought. Odom is an expiring contract... unless we unload him to a team that thinks they can do well in the playoffs we're not going to get much value for him. No team is going to give up a piece that's worth keeping in the long run for a guy who's going to bolt at the end of the year. Also, I know Odom is capable of putting up 18 and 11 on a run and gun team, but I'm tired of looking at the numbers he can produce in theory. The fact is with us he's a terrible fit in the half-court offense and has far too many bonehead plays on both ends of the floor. I don't want to add another star because we got enough egos with Kobe, Bynum, Gasol, and Dfish. We need guys who don't have to deal with setting aside their egos and that'll fit our team better on both ends of the floor. We need guys with that championship quality where they lace it up every night and leave everything out on the floor without having to be reminded every other game.

[Jajwanda]

- The Thunder right now would like to get rid of Joe Smith for something and may consider a buyout. I have a better solution than a buyout. If they trade him to us for simply for lesser contracts they can save cash and we will give them a couple second rounders in addition to some cash.

The Lakers could figure a deal of Sun Yue, Mihm, two 2nd rounders, cash, and Mbenga for Joe Smith. That might be enough to entice them. With Joe Smith in hand our depth is much stronger in the front court and with Powell could quite possibly sustain an Odom trade.

In the back court let's make Phil work for his fat paycheck. Go sign Marbury and feature him as essentially the Jordan Farmar replacement for now and the foreseeable future.

With that done we have Ariza+Farmar+Odom for the single-minded purpose of finding Kobe a compliment. I think with that kind of package someone special can be found. In all likeliness though the first step in that would be Farmar+Odom.

[Laker at Heart]

You want Noah?

What about Lamar + Mihm + Farmar for Hinrich + Nocioni + Noah?

We'd be

Fish / Kirk
Kobe / Sasha
Nocioni / Ariza
Pau / Noah
Bynum / Pau

We'd be stuck with Luke and Radman, but I think we get somewhat better (losing some finesse in the frontcourt but gaining toughness, hustle and 3 pt shooting). The Bulls get a decent backup for Rose, a good PF that they are in dire need of and some minutes from Mihm which they also need since they lack any decent center.

[Jajwanda]

That's not enough of an improvement for the sheer magnitude of cash we bring in for next season. Buss will only go higher as far as payroll goes for a big time player.

[AceFresh]

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/vid ... 7&n8pe6c=2
Kobe said in the interview this team needs to get tougher..
Definitely G.Wallace can help us in that department.. yeah his Fg% isn't quite as high as we'd like, but he definitely can be a guy who can get on players like Pierce, Lebron, etc.
Plus he's a player who can cut & his able to finish.
Like people say a bigger version of Ariza.

Pull the deal on this... LO cannot be effective this year coming off the bench.

[Jajwanda]

I'd rather get an all-around player though like a Richard Jefferson than a limited one.

Jefferson at least can do everything fairly well on offense as well as play good defense. Also he's an intelligent player.

[semi-sentient]

What's the injury history of Wallace?

In the past 3 seasons (not including this one), he's averaging only 63 games per. In fact, he's only cracked 70 games twice in his 7 year career (70 in 05, 72 in 07).

One of the big reasons that I like Prince is because not only is he a tough defender with range, but he's incredibly durable (hasn't missed a game since the 02-03 season) and understands his role. If I could get a trade to work with Bynum included, I wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger, but Odom seems to be the main piece that must be included to land him (and most others).

[dockingsched]

wallace is one more concussion away from retirement

[AceFresh]

No way Detroit deals Prince

[It_Was_Typed]

I can see Prince being dealed if the Pistons want even more cap space this upcoming offseason and also because they're struggling with playing "small ball" with him at PF.