Which PG Do We Draft?

[Smills91]

I didn't have the best SAT scores either but I'll put my IQ up against anyone and win!

Seriously though SAT (enter your standardized test here) only measures what you know (or have been taught or retained) not how smart you are. Remember Amare Stoudemire couldn't go to college because he mom took money from an agent, but I don't think he's dumb in a basketball sense.

Also if the idea is to be a professional athlete I think Jennings is SMART! He's got a $5m endorsement deal with under armour (I think that is correct) and he's getting paid for basically on the job training. Everyone knows he's not going to finish school, so why go the school route? He's playing with athletes that are better than the ones in college as well.

Back to the subject. I think Jennings has more upside than any of the other pg's I disagree with Smills that there isn't any value with Rubio or Jennings. I'm pro Jennings ATM, but I'm not down on anyone. Also my thought is if we pick either Jennings or Rubio they better work out otherwise we're hosed as a franchise.

I wans't necessarily saying that Rubio/Jennings were 'BAD' picks perse, rather that the drop off in PG to say PF/C later in the draft. I mean if Rubio/Jennings are the BPA's in the lottery position we're in, then draft them, but I'd rather get a Harden, Clarke, Griffin player in the lottery and then look at Mills/Lawson/Collison with the Houston pick because the dropoff from them at PG to the dropoff in star potential in Griffin, Harden Blake IMO is more substantiated. Thus the 'value' argument I was referring to.

[Wolfay]

ICMTM is right, SATs don't mean much of anything really in terms of measuring intelligence. I never took them and instead I'm going to city college first and then transfer (just one more semester and then sac state baby!). It saves effort AND money. My IQ is higher than Bill Gates' by the way

I'm more for Jennings than Rubio. Athleticism is pretty important in the NBA (much more so than in Euro ball), and Jennings is without a doubt more athletic than Rubio, and I think Jennings could be as smart as Rubio if given the right training and all. All that said, I agree with Smills in that I think we should draft BPA as opposed to need. Value is always more important in the draft. What's the point of drafting a PG if he's going to be useless and not fill any holes? Better to draft value and trade him for something of need that's not useless.

[RoyalCourtJestr]

It's on my top ten things to do before I die list to personally know a Kings player. Thus said I DESPERATELY would love to see Mills on the Kings. I can't say I know him really well, but as I am the sports editor for the school paper and he is our star, I get to talk to him a bit.

That said, it's getting HIGHLY doubtful he will be there with Hustons pick. Someone said they'd like to see us taking Gonzaga's Jeremy Pargo Mills is getting so much scouting attention, there were 6-7 scouts at our game with Fresno State last month (one was from the Kings), but there is little doubt right now he's getting the attention that he'd go Lotto.

That said... would I take him with our pick, assuming we get top 5? No. I'm not one to pick BPA over need, but Mills is a talent reserved for 10-14. I think he's got the potential to be a Tony Parker like. He's got great scoring abilities, no doubt, and his passing has defenetly improved past what I'd expected. He's also a great defender, and I don't care what anyone says... he's the fastest player in this draft class, bar none. i'd love to see us get him, and he really is a Petrie type point.

I don't pick BPA... if the best player aviable is a SF, then he'd better be vastly better then the PGs aviable (that said, I love Clark. XD) But we need a point, and BAD. Jennings or Rubio would be fantastic, but if we get #1 and go Griffin, Petries gotta try to get Mills IMO. This kid is special, I garentee it. He won't be for a year or so as he warms to the NBA game, but with good passing bigs, Mills can definetly run the offense.

That said, my alliances are split. Half of me is like "NO MILLS DON'T LEAVE" because Saint Mary's BBall NEEDS him. Half of me is "this is the best chance the Kings have of snagging him" and wants him to go.

[SacKingZZZ]

It's on my top ten things to do before I die list to personally know a Kings player. Thus said I DESPERATELY would love to see Mills on the Kings. I can't say I know him really well, but as I am the sports editor for the school paper and he is our star, I get to talk to him a bit.

That said, it's getting HIGHLY doubtful he will be there with Hustons pick. Someone said they'd like to see us taking Gonzaga's Jeremy Pargo Mills is getting so much scouting attention, there were 6-7 scouts at our game with Fresno State last month (one was from the Kings), but there is little doubt right now he's getting the attention that he'd go Lotto.

That said... would I take him with our pick, assuming we get top 5? No. I'm not one to pick BPA over need, but Mills is a talent reserved for 10-14. I think he's got the potential to be a Tony Parker like. He's got great scoring abilities, no doubt, and his passing has defenetly improved past what I'd expected. He's also a great defender, and I don't care what anyone says... he's the fastest player in this draft class, bar none. i'd love to see us get him, and he really is a Petrie type point.

I don't pick BPA... if the best player aviable is a SF, then he'd better be vastly better then the PGs aviable (that said, I love Clark. XD) But we need a point, and BAD. Jennings or Rubio would be fantastic, but if we get #1 and go Griffin, Petries gotta try to get Mills IMO. This kid is special, I garentee it. He won't be for a year or so as he warms to the NBA game, but with good passing bigs, Mills can definetly run the offense.

That said, my alliances are split. Half of me is like "NO MILLS DON'T LEAVE" because Saint Mary's BBall NEEDS him. Half of me is "this is the best chance the Kings have of snagging him" and wants him to go.

I like Pargo, he's a bully. Guys that put up 20 ppg on teams like Fresno State don't do all that much for me. He is a talented player and through workouts and such I could see him going before our pick in Houston which could end up being as low as 28.

[RoyalCourtJestr]

Pargo has reached the best he can be. He's a backup, a great college player whose reached his cap. He'll be a late first/second round and not gonna be a starter.

But Mills has done much more then put "up 20 ppg on teams like Fresno State". Lets not forget, Mills had 20 on TEAM USA, when he played then in the Olympics, being guarded by Kobe and Paul. He also scored 37 last year when we upset then #11 Oregon, and has played well against good conference rivals like San Diego and Gonzaga. Saint Mary's may not have the schedule that better teams have, but thats mainly because we're not so amazing yet that if we played and beat a Georgetown, it would be a huge upset, but teams recognize we still could beat the,. But to downplay Mills' performance as a product of "poor opponents" is VASTLY incorrect. Watch him play Pargo in a month.

[KF10]

Mills seems like a reach for our pick (our 4th pick). And I like Mills. I saw him in action like couple of weeks ago against San Diego State iirc. Mills looked pretty good. His jumper was better than I thought. It was actually money at times. Plus he was the quickest player for that game as usual. But I prefer Jennings and other high tier players over him. So ultimately, Mills shouldn't be our first selection.

[RoyalCourtJestr]

Word, I don't mean take him with a top 5 pick. I'm just saying, if we don't pick Jennings (or Rubio, but I REALLY doubt he'll be in the draft at all) and we get someone like Clark (or get lucky and get #1 for Griffin), we really should take Mills. He's a better pick and got a better ceiling then Collison, Lawson IMO.

[KF10]

Word, I don't mean take him with a top 5 pick. I'm just saying, if we don't pick Jennings (or Rubio, but I REALLY doubt he'll be in the draft at all) and we get someone like Clark (or get lucky and get #1 for Griffin), we really should take Mills. He's a better pick and got a better ceiling then Collison, Lawson IMO.

Yeah, I agree. I pick Mills over Lawson. But over Collison? I'm not sure about that. I really liked Collison since the 07 Draft. But then again, Mills is really intriguing and considering that Collison is a senior already. Mills can be a better player IMO but he needs a bit more experience/games to overcome Collision.

[RoyalCourtJestr]

Believe me, he's been vetted pretty heavily. He really would be a lock lotto if he'd gone to a bigger school, but look what he did in the Olympics... led the 7th place team in scoring (off the bench I might add) and had two great games against the Redeem team.

[KF10]

Believe me, he's been vetted pretty heavily. He really would be a lock lotto if he'd gone to a bigger school, but look what he did in the Olympics... led the 7th place team in scoring (off the bench I might add) and had two great games against the Redeem team.

Yeah, I believe that as well. Mills would have been a lotto pick if he gone to a bigger school, for sure. But Collison is a more proven product than Mills. But like I said, Mills can be a better player (I mean BETTER) than Collison when given more experience and opportunity IMO.

[SacKingZZZ]

Pargo has reached the best he can be. He's a backup, a great college player whose reached his cap. He'll be a late first/second round and not gonna be a starter.

But Mills has done much more then put "up 20 ppg on teams like Fresno State". Lets not forget, Mills had 20 on TEAM USA, when he played then in the Olympics, being guarded by Kobe and Paul. He also scored 37 last year when we upset then #11 Oregon, and has played well against good conference rivals like San Diego and Gonzaga. Saint Mary's may not have the schedule that better teams have, but thats mainly because we're not so amazing yet that if we played and beat a Georgetown, it would be a huge upset, but teams recognize we still could beat the,. But to downplay Mills' performance as a product of "poor opponents" is VASTLY incorrect. Watch him play Pargo in a month.

And where exactly do you think that Houston pick is going to fall again?

[RoyalCourtJestr]

Mills should go 10-16. Rockets pick will be 20-25 IMO.

Tons of better talent to go after in the twenties besides Pargo. We could realstically get Pargo with our second rounder as it'll be like 33-36.

[ICMTM]

I didn't have the best SAT scores either but I'll put my IQ up against anyone and win!

Seriously though SAT (enter your standardized test here) only measures what you know (or have been taught or retained) not how smart you are. Remember Amare Stoudemire couldn't go to college because he mom took money from an agent, but I don't think he's dumb in a basketball sense.

Also if the idea is to be a professional athlete I think Jennings is SMART! He's got a $5m endorsement deal with under armour (I think that is correct) and he's getting paid for basically on the job training. Everyone knows he's not going to finish school, so why go the school route? He's playing with athletes that are better than the ones in college as well.

Back to the subject. I think Jennings has more upside than any of the other pg's I disagree with Smills that there isn't any value with Rubio or Jennings. I'm pro Jennings ATM, but I'm not down on anyone. Also my thought is if we pick either Jennings or Rubio they better work out otherwise we're hosed as a franchise.

I wans't necessarily saying that Rubio/Jennings were 'BAD' picks perse, rather that the drop off in PG to say PF/C later in the draft. I mean if Rubio/Jennings are the BPA's in the lottery position we're in, then draft them, but I'd rather get a Harden, Clarke, Griffin player in the lottery and then look at Mills/Lawson/Collison with the Houston pick because the dropoff from them at PG to the dropoff in star potential in Griffin, Harden Blake IMO is more substantiated. Thus the 'value' argument I was referring to.

I can buy that I suppose.