Mike Miller

from_ro_to_dirk · Post #1 » by **from_ro_to_dirk** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:35 am

I know he's been discussed here thousands of times:

K.C. Johnson of the Chicago Tribune believes that the Minnesota Timberwolves could be making forward Mike Miller available.

Johnson believes that Minnesota would trade Miller for the right price, which could make their roster even younger.

I wonder if they would do Stackhouse and Bass for him. I'd hate to lose Bass but I have a feeling we may be losing him in free agency anyways. If it becomes a trend for him to play sporadicly I think he'll decide to take off for some bigger monies and more playing time. Plus the fact that he could have been sent to Sac during the offseason could be another strike against him resigning with us because he could never be sure when and who he could be traded to.

I'd hate to not have him out there this season but a healthy Miller would bring so much to this offense and we could always get a FA PF to take Bass' roster spot for emergency reasons.

Would T'wolves do this or do they feel they don't need another young big? Also, Miller would come off the books next year. We could give a 2nd round pick to sweeten the deal (if we have one).

JES12 · Post #2 » by **JES12** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 4:43 am

Jason Terry to Philly
Andre Miller & Desegana Diop to Minny
Mike Miller and Collins to Dallas

from_ro_to_dirk · Post #3 » by **from_ro_to_dirk** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 5:19 am

if u have to give up Terry to get Miller then no thank you at all.

Teddy KGB · Post #4 » by **Teddy KGB** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 6:04 am

JES12 wrote:Jason Terry to Philly
Andre Miller & Desegana Diop to Minny
Mike Miller and Collins to Dallas

I wouldn't do it, Terry is playing significantly better than Miller. Sure, Miller is more of the right size but Terry is just better.

2011Champs · Post #5 » by **2011Champs** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 12:30 pm

from_ro_to_dirk wrote:if u have to give up Terry to get Miller then no thank you at all.

+1
Howard is the one that needs to go. Terry wants to be here and plays his butt off every night. Howard needs a change now. He doesn't look happy here and would be a bigger asset to another team.
Terry >>> Miller
Howard > Miller

Why in the world trade someone like Terry for Miller if they would take Howard?

GtiRSmiley · Post #6 » by **GtiRSmiley** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 1:42 pm

Aswell as the fact that Mike Miller seems to hustle and want to win alot more than Howard does

heathmalc · Post #7 » by **heathmalc** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:24 pm

Cavs fan here... just out of curiosity...

Would you guys take Wally Szczerbiak's expiring contract and the Cavs #1 pick for Josh Howard and Diop?

Szczerbiak can be traded immediately afterward (but not with other players... He can only be traded by himself...for 1 or 5 players that equal his salary of 13.5 million)

I think this would be a shot in the arm for you guys...getting back a draft pick from the terrible trade last year, and an expiring for Josh, that could be used to get some pieces that you need this year (Like Ben Gordon and Kirk Hinrich from Chicago).

just curious what you guys think.

Post #8 » by **catalyst** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:51 pm

Mavs lineup after cavs trade
Kidd/Barea
Wally/Terry/Green
George/Wright
Dirk/Bass
Damp/Singleton

That is a step back, despite my dislike of Howard and his poor attitude.

JES12 · Post #9 » by **JES12** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 4:44 pm

I would not trade Howard to any team with a marquis free agent unless we absolutely steal the deal.

2011Champs · Post #10 » by **2011Champs** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 5:58 pm

heathmalc wrote:Cavs fan here... just out of curiosity...

Would you guys take Wally Szczerbiak's expiring contract and the Cavs #1 pick for Josh Howard and Diop?

Szczerbiak can be traded immediately afterward (but not with other players... He can only be traded by himself...for 1 or 5 players that equal his salary of 13.5 million)

I think this would be a shot in the arm for you guys...getting back a draft pick from the terrible trade last year, and an expiring for Josh, that could be used to get some pieces that you need this year (Like Ben Gordon and Kirk Hinrich from Chicago).

just curious what you guys think.

I would do the trade but I have a much lower opinion of Howard than other posters on this board. I think Howard is All Star material that is having chemistry based issues in Dallas. He had a great game yesterday (with Dirk out) like he is capable of. I guess I am in the minority here as someone who actually looks at team chemistry and not just stats when weighing in on trade options. Howard needs to go, NOT because he is a bad player, but because of the lack of chemistry he has with the current Dallas Mavericks squad. Howard will defintely flourish elsewhere.

JES12 · Post #11 » by **JES12** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:04 pm

^^^^
You would make a terrible GM

Howard for Wally and the #29 pick is just atrocious. And any GM trading for less than a penny on the dollar for because of "fit" (which I still very much doubt is a) an issue and 2) not correctable internally if there really is an issue) and NOT talent should be fired ASAP.

2011Champs · Post #12 » by **2011Champs** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:15 pm

JES12 wrote:^^^^
You would make a terrible GM

Howard for Wally and the #29 pick is just atrocious. And any GM trading for less than a penny on the dollar for because of "fit" (which I still very much doubt is a) an issue and 2) not correctable internally if there really is an issue) and NOT talent should be fired ASAP.

^^^^
Easy for you to spend money when its not yours. Your payroll would look like New York's under Thomas. It is a business also, if money grew on trees Finley would still be here.

2003 pick #29 was Josh Howard.
1. So you can't say that the 29th pick is worthless if your scouts do their job.
2. Save some salary and luxury tax in 2009 when Wally expires. There is no reason for the Dallas Mavericks to be the only team in the NBA to lose money.

2011Champs · Post #13 » by **2011Champs** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:25 pm

OMG!!! I have seen the light. Howard is untouchable unless we can get Kobe, Bosh, D-Wade or Lebron or Chris Paul. He is the greatest talent ever to wear a Mavs uniform.

heathmalc · Post #14 » by **heathmalc** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:42 pm

The idea behind this trade would NOT be so Wally would STAY... but so Dallas could re-trade Wally's contract to a team like Minnesota for Mike Miller + Filler

I thought this was a killer deal for you guys...

When considering a trade...think about all options.

Instead of trading Howard.. you'd Have a 13 million dollar expiring... Which could possibly bring a hell of a lot more than Howard could.

They you ask me: Well if the contract is so good, then why is Cleveland giving it away so easily - For the Cavaliers, our Roster is set... we only want some bench players. We have no roster room, so we have to give-up sasha... even though we'd prefer to keep him. The first-round pick will be sold if we dont trade it... because we have "no" need for it. JJ Hickson is our future at PF, and Anderson and Jackson fill-out that future front-court. Bass will not get much burn in Cleveland...but since he is expiring, we dont mind him sitting with us for insurance for the season. Diop is just a big body for us... expensive...but young, and he's a useful back-up...which is what we want. Howard will come off our bench with Anderson Varejao, and Daniel Gibson.

Out of curiosity... id Howard good on defense? and can he defend the perimeter (SG/SF) positions? How is he when playing PF?

Thanx

Post #15 » by **DDansby123** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:40 pm

If we're just comparing JET and Miller, the numbers are pretty comparable, though JET's points are higher because he takes more shots. It wouldn't be much of a step-down, IMO, and the difference in salary (Miller's deal is two years shorter than JET's and ends in 2010) would make it well worth it, IMO.

As for Howard, trading him for a contract that is one year shorter than his doesn't do much...unless you have no intentions of re-signing Howard in 2010. Then, it might be worthwhile.

Post #16 » by **cmavswin** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 12:58 am

Should Miller or Wally move to Dallas than JET and Diop better be going out. The Mavs better not be moving Howard unless it is for an upgrade and neither guy is that. No matter what anyone says the guy is a borderline all-star when playing on all cylinders and is still under the age of 30 with an expiring contract in 2 years. Moving him for two guys who are at best below average defenders is just plain a terrible decision.

The Harris trade has damaged this franchise should Howard go for the same type of move than all hope is lost for a team that with one decent move can get right in the middle of the Western race.

italy_23 · Post #17 » by **italy_23** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 6:35 am

cmavswin wrote:Should Miller or Wally move to Dallas than JET and Diop better be going out. The Mavs better not be moving Howard unless it is for an upgrade and neither guy is that. No matter what anyone says the guy is a borderline all-star when playing on all cylinders and is still under the age of 30 with an expiring contract in 2 years. Moving him for two guys who are at best below average defenders is just plain a terrible decision.

The Harris trade has damaged this franchise should Howard go for the same type of move than all hope is lost for a team that with one decent move can get right in the middle of the Western race.

QFT

Post #18 » by **Basti** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:56 pm

heathmalc wrote:The idea behind this trade would NOT be so Wally would STAY... but so Dallas could re-trade Wally's contract to a team like Minnesota for Mike Miller + Filler

but why should we do that? we couldn't we just trade straight up with Cleveland? why should we help a WC "rival" (I only use these "" because we are not rivals given our inability but hey we would improve a fellow WC team) if we don't get anything better from Dallas? it's not like Dallas would give up anything with significance for Miller and since they already traded Howard (who would have at least made the most sense) there would be nothing we'd be interested in.

crick · Post #19 » by **crick** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 8:13 pm

I agree with your comment, If we trade straight up with Minnesota they would want Howard in return. Howard is more talented than Miller, but I question his attitude and work ethic. Miller will continue to struggle in Minnesota because they have no point guard. Foye is an in-between player, more of a SG than a PG. Minnesota needs a point guard in the worst way. Im not sure if this trade makes sense but:
Dallas receives Mike Miller, Cardinal, and Corey Brewer
Minnesota receives Howard and Stackhouse

This is basically Howard for Miller and Brewer.

heathmalc · Post #20 » by **heathmalc** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 8:50 pm

Well, it is always a risk to "help" a conference-rival ( I use that term loosely), but the reason you'd do it is to make you better. Yes, you may give them cap space... but with your team plus Miller, you'd be a LOT better in the playoffs, and would have a better chance of making a run at the finals. Since Dallas is an older team, they need to take advantage of their window while they can.

As for Minnesota... you can't help them if you tried to...because they are too inept. Their biggest need is a scoring SG... Which they had, before they sent him to Memphis for Kevin Love and Mike Miller. So you see... you could send them 30 #1 picks...and they'd manage to ruin any chance they had at respectability.