Martin to Toronto + Salmons/Bargnani Trade

[sca]

I'd offer up Martin/Thompson and Houston's 1st for an extended Chris Bosh.

Come on, man. . . honestly?

Honestly? Really? you think Bosh can net more than a 25 year near all-star SG, a top 5 PF replacement from the 2008 draft class and another 1st round pick, oh and of course Mikki Moore(essentially an expiring) would need to be included to match salaries.

If you think that, you're nuts. Name me the last time an all-star player was dealt for that much VALUE with zero GARBAGE back...just once in the past 20 years.

he isn't even top 10 in his draft class. come on, who are you kidding? also, that 1st round pick is a very very late one, doesn't hold much value at all... lastly, an expiring contract to match salaries means nothing if you're getting a young, top 10-15 player.

[Lionel Messi]

Martin will not be moved unless a young star (Bosh comes to mind) is coming back to Sacramento...but unless something amazing is offered, he won't be traded. And the Kings aren't looking to trade Salmons AND Garcia. Most likely, only Salmons will be moved. The price for Salmons is good role player/expiring/1st.

in other words...

kapono + humphries + 1st?

for

salmons + filler (about 2.5M)

makes sense to u?

only thing i'd be hesitating over is the first...

[Lionel Messi]

let's stop talking about bosh/martin please...

it's absolutely silly, i like kevin martin a lot, he's a good young player...

but he is a year older than bosh and not even close to the same level as bosh...

when people talk about bosh they say: "great all-star/up and coming superstar/ (and when the raptors play good and he does too) mvp candidate?)

also bosh ended up 5th two years ago on nba.com's mvp list....

i mean, i do like kevin martin a lot...but if you're trading bosh you need GOOD picks (and this draft is bad as it is...and u wanna give us a late first which almost holds negative value because of the guaranteed contracts)

a rookie/sophomore that will surely be good/all-star calibre...in the mold of thadeus young, al horford...that plateau of players...

and a proven young guy, like kevin martin....

and a solid starter (i.e. john salmons)

i would say something like this:

kevin martin + salmons + SAC's pick (lottery) + thompson

for

bosh

you get a franchise player you need to give up pieces to a franchisse...

to me that looks like you're giving up way too much, but maybe that speaks to my unwillingness to trade bosh...and the unlikelyhood of bosh being traded.

[Bac2Basics]

Salmons is more valuable to us currently than Bargnani shows likely of being basically at any point. He's a piece I wouldn't mind the Kings having, but Salmons is too big a price for him.

[RIPskaterdude]

Martin will not be moved unless a young star (Bosh comes to mind) is coming back to Sacramento...but unless something amazing is offered, he won't be traded. And the Kings aren't looking to trade Salmons AND Garcia. Most likely, only Salmons will be moved. The price for Salmons is good role player/expiring/1st.

in other words...

kapono + humphries + 1st?

for

salmons + filler (about 2.5M)

makes sense to u?

only thing i'd be hesitating over is the first...

Both Kapono and Humphries have contracts that run into 2010...so no. The ideal trade would be a decent role player that expires in 2010, a 2009 expiring and a 1st for Salmons.

[dozencousins]

I would take Anthony peeler (expiring ) & a 1st round pick for Salmons !

[Smills91]

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Come on, man. . . honestly?

Honestly? Really? you think Bosh can net more than a 25 year near all-star SG, a top 5 PF replacement from the 2008 draft class and another 1st round pick, oh and of course Mikki Moore(essentially an expiring) would need to be included to match salaries.

If you think that, you're nuts. Name me the last time an all-star player was dealt for that much VALUE with zero GARBAGE back...just once in the past 20 years.
he isn't even top 10 in his draft class. come on, who are you kidding? also, that 1st round pick is a very very late one, doesn't hold much value at all... lastly, an expiring contract to match salaries means nothing if you're getting a young, top 10-15 player.

If it was Martin for Bosh straight up I'd agree with you, but pulling out a lotto big PF who's shown he's going to be at worst a solid big in this league, another 1st round pick AND cap savings to boot then you're wrong. This is about TRADE VALUE here. Bosh is good, but you factor in his ability to opt out and leave for absolutely nothing and it absolutely plummets his TRADE value, not his on-court value which you seem to be confusing.

[n_a_h_t_a_n]

I cant believe Kings fans would give up salmons for Bargnani his way way to soft and way way to frustrating to watch he's bascily a whole 2 inches taller and 2 notches down talent wise then Peja would hate to have him back to Kings people are already saying he lacks heart...Lets say Bargnani does indeed become an all star what happens in the playoffs ? If I was a GM i would never have a Euro player especially a big playing on my team just for the fact that they cant play with the toughness of American players which is whats required to win just look at Dirk, leads his top seaded Mavs to a series loss againts Golden State, Pau Gasol lost 3 staight series until Kobe took over and on this forum everyone knows about Peja im just saying European players while great in the regular season arent great playoff players Tony Parker is the only exception that comes to mind and his not even full Euro.

Toronto arnt good trading partners Salmons + Houston First for Toronto First +plus filler doesnt intrest me a great deal Kapono Bargnani Parker(expiring) are the only pieces who will work and Parkers Expiring is the only one to the Kings with value


Would both sides do a Salmons Hou 1st for Parker and Toronto first? Parker could outplay Beno and take the starting spot then expire...Salmons is a definant upgrade over Parker for the Raps Id do it maybe at the deadline if not definatnly draft night. we all saw the Toronto despretly needs some wing scoring I fear puting Salmons in there now or at the dealine will instanly make them a better team and give us a not as good draft pick

[sca]

Would both sides do a Salmons Hou 1st for Parker and Toronto first? Parker could outplay Beno and take the starting spot then expire...Salmons is a definant upgrade over Parker for the Raps Id do it maybe at the deadline if not definatnly draft night. we all saw the Toronto despretly needs some wing scoring I fear puting Salmons in there now or at the dealine will instanly make them a better team and give us a not as good draft pick

parker is not good anymore.

[OGSactownballer]

I find it fascinating to sit and watch all the commentary about Bosh never going anywhere. He is going to opt out in 2010 just like ALL the other big name FA's because their agents will make them in a year when a LOT of teams have a LOT of money to spend. And when that happens, we will be here waiting to put him together with Martin here in Sac.

Also, guys here should remember that Petrie traded Mitch Richmond for Chris Webber (star SG for star PF) and didn't seem to have a problem getting that done right as our last batch of big FA money came available. Nothing would surprise me at this point.

[n_a_h_t_a_n]

Would both sides do a Salmons Hou 1st for Parker and Toronto first? Parker could outplay Beno and take the starting spot then expire...Salmons is a definant upgrade over Parker for the Raps Id do it maybe at the deadline if not definatnly draft night. we all saw the Toronto despretly needs some wing scoring I fear puting Salmons in there now or at the dealine will instanly make them a better team and give us a not as good draft pick

parker is not good anymore.

But his an expiring which is his real value Salmons off the top of my head has 2 years left after this one so we will alsio be getting that extra space come 2010

[The Duke]

I dont see Toronto trading a 1st rounder for Salmons...

So I dont see something happening between the teams