The Kings continue to crumple

[SactownHrtBrks8]

Wow, I never expected it to get this bad

[RIPskaterdude]

I guarantee it's only going to get worse. Our team sucks...we're even worse than the 1990 teams...

[Smills91]

I guarantee it's only going to get worse. Our team sucks...we're even worse than the 1990 teams...

Agreed. There's just no cohesion with this unit. Not having Martin just compounds it even more. The sad thing is, we're relatively talent, but the pieces just don't work together, AT ALL and it's sickening to watch.

[Inc]

We are probably the worst team in the league.

Thunder and T'Wolves have bad records, but they also have lots of young pieces, and their futures can only get better.

Washington is missing Arenas and Haywood, and at least still have 2 all stars on their team to be good trading pieces if they were looking to do trades..

We have, average veterans with bad contracts that can't even compete with the opponents in most nights

[SacKingZZZ]

This is a talented team but it's completely torn in two directions. I thought when we finally traded Bibby and Artest it was a sign that we were going into full on rebuild, yet, here we are. If we are going to lose I'd rather get something like youth development out of it. They fired Reggie and we now have another coach trying to pad his resume, oh well.

The effort just isn't there night in, night out. I can understand to a degree with guys like Brad, Mikki, BoJax, and Salmons, they kind of had the carpet pulled out from under them, but now the young guys are looking down because their minutes are being cut and just the overall level of futility. They aren't ready, nor should they be primed and prepped to be role players on a competitive team. That's when the GM is supposed to step in and get those vets in a better situation for them, which will be a better situation for us as well.

[KF10]

This is the definite description of a rebuilding phase. We will lose games...ALOT of games. People want a rebuilding team. And here we have it. A 7-24 Kings team that is contending for the potential #1 pick.

[dozencousins]

At this rate there should be no rush to bring back K-mart or Garcia until they are completely 100% healthy we need them for our future especially K-mart we have no chance at the playoffs anyways this year let them get healthy !

Man we royally sucked tonight

[KF10]

The Kings had no excuse. They are, until further notice, one of 30 NBA teams full of players paid handsomely to hit shots of all kinds. Yet in a 108-63 loss to Boston that was their sixth in a row and worst at home in franchise history, their horrendous shooting was the only way in which they resembled the Olympic legend.

The reigning champion Celtics were the ones looking gold-medal worthy once again, holding the Kings to 19 of 68 shooting (27.9 percent) to set a new franchise record for fewest field goals converted (since the shot-clock era began in 1954). The 63 points was the lowest home total since the Kings moved to Sacramento in 1985.

"We have to learn from this," Natt said. "They showed us how to play, they showed us how to play defense, be active, be unselfish, passing the basketball, everything that we talk about, they gave us a lesson in it tonight. It's very important that we, as a young team, learn from that."

But a rare large announced crowd of 16,029 wasn't interested in watching a lesson. One fan called for the Kings to trot out the team's dancers instead of the team itself, while even the courtside visit from Phelps couldn't keep Kings co-owner Gavin Maloof from leaving his seat early.

"I don't even want to show my face after that," reserve guard Bobby Jackson said. "That's how bad it was. … We let them attack us. We knew they would come out hungry and we had our backs against the wall. Like I said, I'm embarrassed. I hope everyone else is embarrassed. That's ridiculous the way we came out and competed tonight. I won't even say competed. We didn't even show up."

http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/1503477.html

[deNIEd]

This is what rebuilding is like. However, what does suck is we happen to decide to rebuild and compete for the number 1 lotto pick, the one year where the talent level is at its worst. With the exception of 06, this is by far the weakest draft in the last decade or so (concerning number 1 pick), and most likely next year's draft will be better than this years.

So, like our last number 1 pick, we will probably be picking from a pool of horrible players compared to the Lebrons, Yaos, Dwights, Rose's, etc.


Also, at what point do you start to put the blame on Petrie for putting the team into its current situation.

[KF10]

Perhaps this year's draft is probably weak compare to other drafts but I believe this draft can be a solid one IMO. This draft doesn't have a clear cut #1 or a franchise player i.e. Oden/James/Rose but it doesn't means this draft is really weak. I see this draft have pretty good complementary players...

Probably complementary players isn't the type of players needed for this Kings team. But you never know with top tier talent like a Griffen, Thabeet, Jennings, Holiday and etc. They can be special players.

[ICMTM]

That's the problem with this team (and what I've been saying in one form or another) is that the Kings don't have a star player. The Kings need a star player. We have pieces, and honestly any of those pieces are available to be moved! We need a star player and it's really that simple. How many teams have been good without a star player in any sport? The problem isn't Reggie, the problem isn't the Maloofs, right now the problem is your Geoff Petrie. Beno right now seems like a bad signing! Kenny Thomas is still on the end of the bench. Moore DOES NOT FIT with the young players. Miller and Jackson have this "I'm too good to lose" mantra and aren't doing anything for the development of this team.

So what is the plan Geoff? Are we Y2010 compliant and trying to be a major player? Can we sit through almost two years of bad ball before we get the hope of better players? It's rough!

[RIPskaterdude]

How much better would we have been if we would have started our rebuild LAST year?

Rose
Martin
Salmons
Anyone but Moore
Hawes

or if it wasn't for those DAMN PACERS!!!

Augustin
Martin
Salmons
blah
Hawes

[deNIEd]

Perhaps this year's draft is probably weak compare to other drafts but I believe this draft can be a solid one IMO. This draft doesn't have a clear cut #1 or a franchise player i.e. Oden/James/Rose but it doesn't means this draft is really weak. I see this draft have pretty good complementary players...

Probably complementary players isn't the type of players needed for this Kings team. But you never know with top tier talent like a Griffen, Thabeet, Jennings, Holiday and etc. They can be special players.

How could this draft not be weak. Perhaps its a good draft for a team like Portland, Denver, Lakers, a team drafting 15-30, but we will be drafting 1-5. When you are drafting at that position, you need to obtain a franchise league changing player. You need a player that can single handedly take over a game and win. (Lebron, Wade, Kobe, Duncan, Yao, Dwight, Paul, Deron, Rose, Durant, etc.)

To me, the King's very well could have the worst situation in the entire league.

Most likely, we will be getting a top pick this year, that player will come in and help us, we'll make some moves, a few players improve, 2-3 years we'll be in the playoffs. However, our team will be too weak to contend, but too good to not make the playoffs. Sort of like a Dallas/Phoenix this year. We need that superstar, and we won't be getting it this year. Past 2 years? Yeah, 100% we would have obtained him, but most likely not this year.

[KF10]

How could this draft not be weak. Perhaps its a good draft for a team like Portland, Denver, Lakers, a team drafting 15-30, but we will be drafting 1-5. When you are drafting at that position, you need to obtain a franchise league changing player. You need a player that can single handedly take over a game and win. (Lebron, Wade, Kobe, Duncan, Yao, Dwight, Paul, Deron, Rose, Durant, etc.)

To me, the King's very well could have the worst situation in the entire league.

Most likely, we will be getting a top pick this year, that player will come in and help us, we'll make some moves, a few players improve, 2-3 years we'll be in the playoffs. However, our team will be too weak to contend, but too good to not make the playoffs. Sort of like a Dallas/Phoenix this year. We need that superstar, and we won't be getting it this year. Past 2 years? Yeah, 100% we would have obtained him, but most likely not this year.

IMO the top tier players can't be THAT bad. From my evaluation of these players. They are really good. Probably not franchise player (Which you said should be a need for a Kings team). For some reason, if we are selected to be around the top 2 picks. The logical choices are Griffen/Thabeet. I'm pretty sure these players can improve our post immensely IMO. We get a legit post player in Griffen. Or the best post defender in Thabeet since Keon Clark...

Probably, next season we might be in the lotto again. A John Wall/Derrick Favors type of players are available. Which is better than this year's draft IMO. We can be a great young team but it has to be from careful planning, commitment and a little luck. It is not impossible, it can be done.

[deNIEd]

IMO the top tier players can't be THAT bad. From my evaluation of these players. They are really good. Probably not franchise player (Which you said should be a need for a Kings team). For some reason, if we are selected to be around the top 2 picks. The logical choices are Griffen/Thabeet. I'm pretty sure these players can improve our post immensely IMO. We get a legit post player in Griffen. Or the best post defender in Thabeet since Keon Clark...

Probably, next season we might be in the lotto again. A John Wall/Derrick Favors type of players are available. Which is better than this year's draft IMO. We can be a great young team but it has to be from careful planning, commitment and a little luck. It is not impossible, it can be done.

No, the top tier players aren't terrible, but they won't franchise players like you just agreed. And when you are looking at the number 1 pick, any player that isn't a franchise player is bad. We don't need a borderline allstar player, we don't need a Boozer/Artest/Gasol/Redd type of a player (star players but not superstar players). We need an Lebron/Wade/Duncan/Garnett/Dwight type of a player in order to win a title. Yes, having a Boozer would put us in the playoffs, but we won't be able to win a title, and quite frankly that's all I care about.

The thing is, Maloofs are far to rash and impatient to let this team obtain another high pick (1-5). I guarantee you, if king's land a top 5 pick this year, we will not be getting another one any time in the near future (unless we get lucky Por/Chi/etc.) Either we make a rash decision to overpay for a player, or decide to trade rookies/picks for a current star, but we won't be in a position to obtain a franchise game changing player.

We will attempt to win prematurely and will come away with nothing. We rebuilt too late, and the blame falls entirely on Petrie/Maloofs.

[KF10]

No, the top tier players aren't terrible, but they won't franchise players like you just agreed. And when you are looking at the number 1 pick, any player that isn't a franchise player is bad. We don't need a borderline allstar player, we don't need a Boozer/Artest/Gasol/Redd type of a player (star players but not superstar players). We need an Lebron/Wade/Duncan/Garnett/Dwight type of a player in order to win a title. Yes, having a Boozer would put us in the playoffs, but we won't be able to win a title, and quite frankly that's all I care about.

The thing is, Maloofs are far to rash and impatient to let this team obtain another high pick (1-5). I guarantee you, if king's land a top 5 pick this year, we will not be getting another one any time in the near future (unless we get lucky Por/Chi/etc.) Either we make a rash decision to overpay for a player, or decide to trade rookies/picks for a current star, but we won't be in a position to obtain a franchise game changing player.

We will attempt to win prematurely and will come away with nothing. We rebuilt too late, and the blame falls entirely on Petrie/Maloofs.

What are the chances of gaining a franchise player? Looking at the past drafts. Heck, let's look at this past decade (The top 3 players of each draft):

1998
(#9)- Dirk Nowitzki
(#5)- Vince Carter
(#10)- Paul Pierce

1999
(#1)- Elton Brand
(#3)- Baron Davis
(#16)- Ron Artest

2000 (LOL Worst draft)
(#43)- Micheal Redd
(#5)- Mike Miller
(#16)- Hidayet Turkoglu

2001
(#31)- Gilbert Arenas
(#3)- Pau Gasol
(#10)- Joe Johnson

2002
(#1)- Yao Ming
(#9)- Amare Stoudemire
(#35)- Carlos Boozer/(#10)- Caron Butler

2003
(#1)- LeBron James
(#3) Dwyane Wade
(#4)- Chris Bosh

2004
(#1)- Dwight Howard
(#5)- Devin Harris
(#17)- Josh Smith/(#26)- Kevin Martin/(#15)- Al Jefferson

2005
(#4)- Chris Paul
(#3)- Deron Williams
(#17)- Danny Granger/(#10)- Andrew Bynum

2006
(#6)- Brandon Roy
(#8)- Rudy Gay
(#2)- LeMarcus Aldridge

2007
(#1)- Greg Oden
(#2)- Kevin Durant
(#3)- Al Horford/(#12)- Thaddeus Young/(#10)- Spencer Hawes

2008
(#1) Derrick Rose
(#3)- OJ Mayo
(#2)- Micheal Beasley

Looking at the past draft, the legit franchise players are Dirk, Yao, James, Howard, Paul, Oden?, Rose?

Only Oden and Rose are the questionable franchise players out of the bunch. So, only 5 franchise players out of the last 10 drafts of the decade. And several of them weren't the top picks (Paul, Dirk). James, Howard and Yao were the legit #1 picks (Franchise-players). 3 out of the 10 drafts.

Looking at this draft, obviously, there isn't any franchise players. Probably the top picks will be all stars at best or so. The 2010 draft consists of John Wall. Which I think is a franchise player. So, franchise players are really difficult to gain. At best, there will be two or three franchise players for EACH decade. And the bunch are superstars/stars/all stars and etc.

Probably you are right about the tendencies about the Maloofs. We all know they HATE to lose but they have to understand by rebuilding, this is the only way to be a title contenders. Unless, we become lucky. Which in the past, we are not...lol.

The point I am trying to make is that we just cannot not rely to net a franchise player from the draft. Even though, it will be great if we can. But looking at the past drafts, it is extremely difficult to do. Ultimately, the draft a huge crap shoot. Busts, sleepers, potential and etc exists.

At this draft, we just have to gain the best player available (BPA), knowing that we are drafting around the top 5. Heck at this rate, we are drafting in the top 3. So, Griffen, Thabeet, Harden are up for grabs. You never know, they can be busts or franchise players. Or in between. (Superstars/Stars/All Stars).

[SacKingZZZ]

How could this draft not be weak. Perhaps its a good draft for a team like Portland, Denver, Lakers, a team drafting 15-30, but we will be drafting 1-5. When you are drafting at that position, you need to obtain a franchise league changing player. You need a player that can single handedly take over a game and win. (Lebron, Wade, Kobe, Duncan, Yao, Dwight, Paul, Deron, Rose, Durant, etc.)

To me, the King's very well could have the worst situation in the entire league.

Most likely, we will be getting a top pick this year, that player will come in and help us, we'll make some moves, a few players improve, 2-3 years we'll be in the playoffs. However, our team will be too weak to contend, but too good to not make the playoffs. Sort of like a Dallas/Phoenix this year. We need that superstar, and we won't be getting it this year. Past 2 years? Yeah, 100% we would have obtained him, but most likely not this year.

Actually this could be a pretty good draft from about 1-8, the depth isn't really there like it was last year or the year before, those drafts were 13-15 deep in serious talent. We should be in the top 7 so it could be a great draft for us.

[SacKingZZZ]

Good post KF10, just because there isn't a clear cut franchise player doesn't meant there won't be one. Griffin looks like he certainly has the talent to be one. You look at Oden now, and even in college, the one guy that was supposed to be the 2nd coming doesn't look like much of a "franchise" player IMO. Still, he could develop into one. Same goes for these college players. This year the incoming freshmen class has let down to a degree but some of them are coming on, and some of the sophomore and on classes are getting better and better. I think everyone got caught up in the hype of incoming freshmen a little too much the last couple of years. Plenty of great players stayed in school and improved, it doesn't always come overnight.

[Nicky Nix Nook]

good post kings fan 10

[cdt3]

I am tired of people complaining about Petrie. The guy got the Kings into the playoffs 9 out of 13 years. Do you know how many other NBA GM's have done that? Maybe 5 other GMs in the NBA. Please start acting like grown up, and not complain about a top 5 best NBA GM. Who prized free agent was coming to Sac last year for our $5million contract? Sorry about all the confusing facts! The team is still rebuilding after Shareef's injury and retirement we have no money to replace him financially this year. It will take a year or two to rebuild, our hands are tied. Deal with it like adults. If you have ideas to help great, if not let then let Petrie work. Support your team and things will be turning around more quickly if the Maloofs remember this and get out of the way! Petrie will unload Miller for an expiring and we will have big money to make a 2009 FA signing. Things will be rough this year, lets see what players (and fans) have the character to become the leaders.

Thanks and remember on Realgm.com you are only pretend GMs! Please make a note of this on your Blackberrys!