Cliff Notes: Cap Money in 2009?

[shrink]

1. Any team, regardless of their total salary, can always offer the MLE (maybe about $5.8 in 2009). Our goal would be to be far enough under the salary cap, so we can beat those offers to attract free agents.

2. The 2009 Salary Cap is percentage of the 2008-09 revenues, and hasn't been set yet. However, its risen by about $2 mil a year consistently, so we can estimate the 2009 salary cap at around $60.5 mil.

3. Our 2009 Salaries have not been set yet either. With no trades, and not re-signing McCants, we have $50.2 mil of guaranteed salary in 2009 in 10 players:

Jefferson 12m
Miller 9.88m
Cardinal 6.75m
Gomes 4.017m
Foye 3.575m
Love 3.401m
Brewer 2.916m
Madsen 2.814m
Telfair 2.5m
Smith 2.3m

However, we need to estimate the cap hold's we'll have on our future picks. We won't know the actual numbers until after the season and the lottery, but here's an estimate:

$3.5 MIN Pick (currently #2) (#1 $4.2, #2 $3.7, #3 $3.3, #4 $3.0, #5 $2.7)
$1.2 MIA Pick .. I'll guess at #18, but #22 is only $0.2 more. Its only top 10 protected
$0.8 BOS Pick .. 30. Won't cost much more
$0.0 UTA Pick .. Top 23 with conditions .. perhaps $0.9 mil would be more appropriate)
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$5.5 estimate .. it could be as high as $8.

We may could also want to sign a couple min players to bring us up to 15 player roster, but I'll set that aside

THEREFORE: Salary Cap ($60.5) - Estimated Salary ($55.7) = $4.8 mil under the salary cap .. but the MLE could be $5.8 mil.

4. HOWEVER, unlike in previous years, the Wolves are in a great, flexible situation. We have several assets that could be traded for expirings and/or picks, including the guaranteed salaries attached to our current 1st picks and almost any player on our team not named Brian Cardinal or Mark Madsen.

5. In 2010, Miller, Cardinal, Madsen, Craig Smith, Gomes, and even Foye don't have guaranteed contracts.


So with a minor trade or two, we could easily clear enough 2009 cap space if we wanted a shot.

[john2jer]

Marvin "Too Cool For School" Williams!

[4ho5ive]

Usually any time a player whom I am fond of is mentioned as being available or being involved in a trade to Minny I monitor the player's respective team board, like Wallace and Marvin the Martian. Hawks fans want to keep the guy, they are hoping they can get him for less than $10M per and they dont think he will fetch that much. The rationale is that they wont be able to find anyone better in FA or the draft without also being forced to find a new PG if they let Bibby walk.

My whole thing is that the Hawks FO is known to be a little stingy with its money. They played the Josh Smith situation perfectly last season, letting a team send a lowball offer only to match it. I dont think they will do the same thing with Williams. I think we can get him if we offer 5yr/50M~. The question then becomes, do they want to spend 12 or so Million a year on Josh Smith while also spending about 10M on Marvin WHEN you take into account that Joe Johnson may be needing an extension soon to keep him out of the 2010 fantasy draft and IF they want to throw money at Bibby to stay around.

I dont think the Hawks FO will pay that much money to Marvin. And i think Minny should call their bluff and throw a 5yr/52M offer sheet his way. If they keep him, no big deal. We dont lose anything. We have plenty of capspace and the expirings of Miller and Cardinal to play with. We may be able to absorb someone as good as Marvin through trade.

[WallyWorld]

Thats my main arguement right now. This is where making that Marbury/Wally/Rose/Snow trade could prove very helpful.

Here is a link to the Free Agents. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/stor ... ents-09-10

I really wouldnt mind Marvin Williams at ALL. Plus Bibby too would be a nice PG for the Wolves.

Artest, Marion, Wallace amongst several others.

With a bum rush of the whole league toward 2010, we hav the following benefits:

1. Contracts that expire in 2010, along with picks that we dont need

2. Teams who arent willing to pay top dollar as a result

3. Some pretty talented players looking for new teams

4. Only 2 or 3 teams under the cap for next season.

Its a no brainer in my book. We will come up empty in 2010. Shoot for 09. Not sure how much more of this team I can watch anyways.

[4ho5ive]

Thats my main arguement right now. This is where making that Marbury/Wally/Rose/Snow trade could prove very helpful.

Here is a link to the Free Agents. http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/Buffalo-Ch ... etail.aspx

I really wouldnt mind Marvin Williams at ALL. Plus Bibby too would be a nice PG for the Wolves.

Artest, Marion, Wallace amongst several others.

With a bum rush of the whole league toward 2010, we hav the following benefits:

1. Contracts that expire in 2010, along with picks that we dont need

2. Teams who arent willing to pay top dollar as a result

3. Some pretty talented players looking for new teams

4. Only 2 or 3 teams under the cap for next season.

Its a no brainer in my book. We will come up empty in 2010. Shoot for 09. Not sure how much more of this team I can watch anyways.

Thats the best looking FA dip i have ever seen

[PeeDee]

I'd rather sign Spinich-Artichoke dip to a max deal than Buffalo Chicken dip, maybe that's just me.

[HL Slamdunk]

Would Bibby willingly come to Minnesota? I think it would take a lot for him to come. Also, some contender would most likely sign Bibby to a fairly cheap deal. The same happened with Grant Hill. Bibby wants a ring, so he'll most likely sign a deal with a team that can get him one.

[WallyWorld]

HAHAHA, Oh man. Planning for New Years and put up the wrong link in my haste! Thats hilarious.

Anyways. The correct link is up. Try that dip its absolutely top notch. Here is the link for it:
http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/Buffalo-Ch ... etail.aspx

[WallyWorld]

Usually any time a player whom I am fond of is mentioned as being available or being involved in a trade to Minny I monitor the player's respective team board, like Wallace and Marvin the Martian. Hawks fans want to keep the guy, they are hoping they can get him for less than $10M per and they dont think he will fetch that much. The rationale is that they wont be able to find anyone better in FA or the draft without also being forced to find a new PG if they let Bibby walk.

My whole thing is that the Hawks FO is known to be a little stingy with its money. They played the Josh Smith situation perfectly last season, letting a team send a lowball offer only to match it. I dont think they will do the same thing with Williams. I think we can get him if we offer 5yr/50M~. The question then becomes, do they want to spend 12 or so Million a year on Josh Smith while also spending about 10M on Marvin WHEN you take into account that Joe Johnson may be needing an extension soon to keep him out of the 2010 fantasy draft and IF they want to throw money at Bibby to stay around.

I dont think the Hawks FO will pay that much money to Marvin. And i think Minny should call their bluff and throw a 5yr/52M offer sheet his way. If they keep him, no big deal. We dont lose anything. We have plenty of capspace and the expirings of Miller and Cardinal to play with. We may be able to absorb someone as good as Marvin through trade.

Thats a great post. Agreed. Marvin would be an ideal signing in my book.

[shrink]

Nice post 4ho5ive. I'm a multi-forum peeker too.

I should mention though that while the fans may want to spend the money on Marvin Williams, there is no guarantee that the schizophrenic owners of the Hawks want to drop $7.35 mil on the guy.

Some may avoid him because they are cheap. Others may avoid him to go the opposite direction. If the Hawks let him go, they are far enough under the salary cap to offer a max deal. Would they rather pay $7.35 on Williams, or use that money to pay $12 on Boozer or some other max deal free agent?

Personally, I'd like to see us do a minor trade or two to wiggle out enough money to put ATL on the hot seat. Say we offer $8.5 mil for Williams. If they don't match, we get him, and if they do, we've eliminated one team from contending for 2009 free agents over the MLE. I'll be watching the Hawks financial situation very closely.

[HL Slamdunk]

If we would get Williams, which seems possible, there would seem to be an even bigger logjam at PF. If there is a logjam as such, I would like to see us trade Craig Smith and one of our firsts for a PG. How does Beno Udrih sound to anybody? He wouldn't be an amazing point guard, but he would be better than what we have.

[Worm Guts]

I think most people think of Williams as a SF. I don't want any part of Udrih's contract.

[WallyWorld]

Williams is a 3 primarliy

[HL Slamdunk]

Okay, I just wasn't sure on his position. He is listed as a PF on espn. If we would have Williams, would we then trade Mike Miller. We have Brewer, but he hasn't proven anything yet.

[WallyWorld]

Lets remember that the only two teams I can think of with cap space, Miami and Memphis, dont have much of a spot for Marvin unless he plays the 4 for Memphis, which is less than ideal. Miami will surely be adding Boozer this offseason.

I love the points on the Hawks $$ situation. I just dont see them committing to Marvin, and Is say Bibby has mroe value to them at this point.

[john2jer]

The idea out of Atlanta is that if he doesn't sign early and give a hometown discount, then they'll probably move on to other targets.

I think the 5yr/52mil contract is perfect. It might be slightly over-paying, but it still leaves us with room for a max FA in 2010, and let's be honest, we have to over-pay to get someone to come here. Just look out your window right now.

[PeeDee]

Personally, I'd like to see us do a minor trade or two to wiggle out enough money to put ATL on the hot seat. Say we offer $8.5 mil for Williams. If they don't match, we get him, and if they do, we've eliminated one team from contending for 2009 free agents over the MLE. I'll be watching the Hawks financial situation very closely.

I wouldn't risk it, there aren't any other players in the 09 pool that I'd want to spend $ on. Williams is having a really good year, I think bidding starts @ 10+.

Keep in mind he's only 23 and he's obviously getting better. He and Al would be entering their primes together, could be a beautiful thing.

[WallyWorld]

You really think Atlanta would give him 10 million? I really dont know about that....they have let some big names go in the past. Correct me if Im wrong here. Their front office situation is pretty bleak from what little I know about it

[PeeDee]

You may be right... but you know what else has been bleak? The number of quality free agents that have migrated to Minnesota over the years.

[HL Slamdunk]

Personally, I'd like to see us do a minor trade or two to wiggle out enough money to put ATL on the hot seat. Say we offer $8.5 mil for Williams. If they don't match, we get him, and if they do, we've eliminated one team from contending for 2009 free agents over the MLE. I'll be watching the Hawks financial situation very closely.

I wouldn't risk it, there aren't any other players in the 09 pool that I'd want to spend $ on. Williams is having a really good year, I think bidding starts @ 10+.

Keep in mind he's only 23 and he's obviously getting better. He and Al would be entering their primes together, could be a beautiful thing.

But on the plus side, if we would miss out on Williams this offseason that would mean we could sign a couple one year contracts that would free up even more money for the 2010 offseason. We won't get Wade or James, that's just a given. But, we could go after a Bosh, Ginobili, or Camby. The combination of Jefferson and Bosh or Camby would give us one of the best frontcourts in the NBA. Ginobili would add a dimension that would stretch defenses out, thus allowing Big Al more opportunities.