What's up with all the Steve Nash hate?

[SUNSARETHEBEST]

Lately there has been alot of Nash hate on this board by some Suns fans. I see people calling Nash, useless, a locker room cancer, overated, malcontant, etc. People are even talking about how much they want Nash to be traded and hoping he gets traded off the Suns, trading a two time MVP who can still play for players like Baron freaking Davis who the Clippers are dying to get out of his contract because he's overweight, fat, lazy and has no motivation anymore.

Nash is still putting up close to 15 points and almost 9 assists per game, all at 34 years old, many players are out of the league at 34. I know some people will ask, the Suns didn't win the championship but would you really want to go back to the Marbury days when the Suns were at the bottom of the pacific and struggling to make the playoffs? Nash came in and made the Suns a lottery team into one of the best teams in the league and the Suns are still one of the best teams in the league today.

I noticed this Nash hate was started by fans from other teams when he won his two MVP's and now it seems like it's passed on into the Suns fan base, I remember a few years ago people used to be chanting MVP for Nash but now it's a distant memory. Even if you remember Shaq criticized Nash when he won that one MVP over Kobe, Nash deserved to win but apparantely alot of people didn't. Just because they didn't doesn't mean it's true and you should listen to them, Nash won the MVP's because he deserved them don't listen to what anyone else says otherwise.

Even if he goes to some other team down the road like the Knicks of Raptors the person that should be thanked most for turning out the Suns and instilling a winning/playoff culture would be Steve Nash. If Nash never came to the Suns back in 2004, who do you honestly think the Suns would have signed? Who ever it may have been chances are the Suns wouldn't have had as much sucess as they had during the Nash era.

So in conclusion, really to all you Nash haters look back and just think what this franchise would have been like if he never signed with the Suns back in 2004...

[scootfu602]

Well said

[MaryvalesFinest]

Lately there has been alot of Nash hate on this board by some Suns fans. I see people calling Nash, useless, a locker room cancer, overated, malcontant, etc. People are even talking about how much they want Nash to be traded and hoping he gets traded off the Suns, trading a two time MVP who can still play for players like Baron freaking Davis who the Clippers are dying to get out of his contract because he's overweight, fat, lazy and has no motivation anymore.

Nash is still putting up close to 15 points and almost 9 assists per game, all at 34 years old, many players are out of the league at 34. I know some people will ask, the Suns didn't win the championship but would you really want to go back to the Marbury days when the Suns were at the bottom of the pacific and struggling to make the playoffs? Nash came in and made the Suns a lottery team into one of the best teams in the league and the Suns are still one of the best teams in the league today.

I noticed this Nash hate was started by fans from other teams when he won his two MVP's and now it seems like it's passed on into the Suns fan base, I remember a few years ago people used to be chanting MVP for Nash but now it's a distant memory. Even if you remember Shaq criticized Nash when he won that one MVP over Kobe, Nash deserved to win but apparantely alot of people didn't. Just because they didn't doesn't mean it's true and you should listen to them, Nash won the MVP's because he deserved them don't listen to what anyone else says otherwise.

Even if he goes to some other team down the road like the Knicks of Raptors the person that should be thanked most for turning out the Suns and instilling a winning/playoff culture would be Steve Nash. If Nash never came to the Suns back in 2004, who do you honestly think the Suns would have signed? Who ever it may have been chances are the Suns wouldn't have had as much sucess as they had during the Nash era.

So in conclusion, really to all you Nash haters look back and just think what this franchise would have been like if he never signed with the Suns back in 2004...

I liked the humble Nash, the Nash that didn't think he owned the Suns organization and everyone should bow down to him, Nash before he started acting like a rockstar. Nash has been a trouble maker lately, don't let his smile and pretty boy image fool you. In tons of articles (not so much from the spin master Mr.Coro from the az republic) but from other newspapers they say what's going on. When Porter was hired Nash never gave him a chance and still doesn't, Porter had to give in and let Nash "run", Nash protested Porter's system along with Bell and that's why Bell was traded than Nash got "upset" that his friend was traded, Nash needs to realize, is he the one paying Bell's salary? Does he own the Suns? No Nash needs to get over it. Porter was trying to make the Suns play defense and Nash still doesn't want to play defense, Nash basically does what ever he wants like he's the "star". On top of that recently he's talking about "possibly" going to other teams while he's still under contract with the Suns, at least Amare didn't say what teams he "narrowed" down his choices in 2010 to, Nash should keep quiet and talk about that in the summer of 2010 not now, he's going to alienate alot of fans and Suns management. As for trading Nash, that trade for Davis is actually a good trade, Davis has good chemistry with Barnes and J-Rich and will bring some excitement back to the Suns. Davis for one plays defense something Nash doesn't and will never do.

The Marbury days weren't a bad thing, that Suns team played with heart, all of them Marbury, JJ, Marion and Amare but today it just seems like Shaq is trying to carry the Suns. I would rather have the Suns fail if they play with heart than have a Suns team make the playoffs with no heart actually. You bring up Nash's 15-9 but again where's the defense? Go to any fast food place and if they give you something with less you always say where's the beef? D is the same thing. Nash doesn't play any defense, he doesn't even make the effort to run out and try to put a body on the opposing player taking a shot.

As for the Nash hate, most Suns fans don't hate Nash. They hate the way he's acting, like a pretty boy. If this guy gave the effort on the defensive end, and played both ends of the court he could say what he wants but right now he's acting like a superstar. The guy even recently said, he's looking at which teams also have salary in 2010, the guy is going to be 36 years old and expects a big pay day? That would be the sad day if the Suns overpay a no defensive playing 36 year old guard.


As for 2004 to tell you the truth, I would have rather had the Suns NOT sign anyone and build through the draft and get Igoudala like they originally wanted, they also should have signed Joe Johnson that summer instead of low balling him the next, I'm sure today many Suns fans would rather have Joe Johnson over both Nash and Amare. The Suns could have had, Igoudala, JJ, Marion and Amare to build around and would never have been worried about aging or rebuilding today, now who do they have? A teenager from Slovenia and a 7 footer who can't rebound.

So thanks Nash, for nothing...

[TheMoochinator]

As for 2004 to tell you the truth, I would have rather had the Suns NOT sign anyone and build through the draft and get Igoudala like they originally wanted, they also should have signed Joe Johnson that summer instead of low balling him the next, I'm sure today many Suns fans would rather have Joe Johnson over both Nash and Amare. The Suns could have had, Igoudala, JJ, Marion and Amare to build around and would never have been worried about aging or rebuilding today, now who do they have? A teenager from Slovenia and a 7 footer who can't rebound.

So thanks Nash, for nothing...

I was reading and understanding your point of view right up until you said this ^^.

That's ridiculous, you're telling me you'd give away those four years of revolutionary basketball that we were able to enjoy for a chance at maybe having a younger team right now?

Give it some time and people are going to remember those teams as fondly as the 93' team. Those are types of years that get remembered and cherished by fans.

[JohnVancouver]

As for 2004 to tell you the truth, I would have rather had the Suns NOT sign anyone and build through the draft and get Igoudala like they originally wanted, they also should have signed Joe Johnson that summer instead of low balling him the next, I'm sure today many Suns fans would rather have Joe Johnson over both Nash and Amare. The Suns could have had, Igoudala, JJ, Marion and Amare to build around and would never have been worried about aging or rebuilding today, now who do they have? A teenager from Slovenia and a 7 footer who can't rebound.

So thanks Nash, for nothing...

I was reading and understanding your point of view right up until you said this ^^.

That's ridiculous, you're telling me you'd give away those four years of revolutionary basketball that we were able to enjoy for a chance at maybe having a younger team right now?

Give it some time and people are going to remember those teams as fondly as the 93' team. Those are types of years that get remembered and cherished by fans.

--- I'm about the biggest Nash cheerleader there is, being he's another short, can't jump white kid from my hometown. Big deal to us here that one of our own not only made the NBA but excelled. I also genuinely like the guy and how he's handled money and celebrity, and that he's not content to mouth platitudes and cliches when interviewed.
That said, I do think he should not have mentioned NY and TO as possible nest-stops but - MVale - have you seen the interview segment? In context, it's certainly not stated as any kind of trade-me, I want out, I quit-type thing, just a response to a question about two years down the road.
I will grant that for Nash to even mention it seems to me to indicate some level of frustration and disappointment with how the team has been remade. Nash has been politic in every statement I've ever seen as regards the new-look Kerr-era Suns.

As to the Nash-bashing, check Bill Simmons recent piece which describes Nash as a borderline all-star who lucked into a system that made him look better than he really is. You could look at it that way, or you could say it was a storke of great good fortune that nash and d'antoni came together, each perfectly suited to the other, and that PHX assembled a near-perfect team to implement Mike's style.
I'd be a little downspirited to see that come to an end too - I mean, I wasn't even on the team and it saddened me.

For a few years we were able to watch one of the most exciting teams in the history of basketball, and Nash was a huge part of that.

[TASTIC]

Jesus Maryvale that's a negative last paragraph and a bit.

"Thanks for nothing" ??

Seriously?


Terrible

[Ninjafish]

Most NBA teams have terrible fans. Why should we be any different?

It's a shame that ungrateful fans like MaryvalesFinest are even allowed to go to Suns games.

[MaryvalesFinest]

Jesus Maryvale that's a negative last paragraph and a bit.

"Thanks for nothing" ??

Seriously?


Terrible

I guess I'm just mad by the way Nash has been acting as of late, I probally shouldn't have worded it like that.

[MaryvalesFinest]

Most NBA teams have terrible fans. Why should we be any different?

It's a shame that ungrateful fans like MaryvalesFinest are even allowed to go to Suns games.

I'm not ungrateful, I'm just a Suns fan before a Nash fan or any other player on the Suns.

[NashtyNas]

I agree with you Marvy, but in the last few years, there were no "SUNS" without Nash. Hell, right now, there are no SUNS without Nash. Our offense is so dismal when hes out, its horrendous to watch. We pound the ball into SHAQ every time down. I don't give a crap if hes 36, I know he can produce, but that's just not entertaining. I wanna see those highlite dunks by Amare, the lobs from Nash, the behind the back passes, those deep three's. One guy I will never stop missing will be Bell though. As much as I was ready to give him up for a guy like J-Rich, can't ever dislike the guy for what he did for us.

[Frank Lee]

Dang it MaryVale yor hoggin my Dark Cloud (nice slam fest I might add)



Here is a few things I'm thinking

Nash will never be able to play D... Its not from lack of trying...its from lack of physical ability....you can't teach tall and fast.

Nash got the are-you-gee RUG yanked on him with D'Ants exodus. He more than anyone. Its like an option QB changing coaches and offenses in his last year of college.... It just wasn't supposed to happen ... I mean, usually a coach has to lose to cruise.

Nash has seen 'His' team dismantled, right when they were on the brink. You think we are the only ones who F-n wonder WTF is going on ???

I hope we deal Nash to NY so he can run D'Ants helterselter sets again. I will become a Knicks fan then too. I just hope it isn't until this off season. Its only a proper payback for the past few yrs of some of the most enjoying Suns basketball since '93. GD we were close.

and one other thing.....

Nash is no Idiot.... he just works for a couple of 'em. May be that might help eplain his so-called attitude change.

[TASTIC]

Nash is no Idiot.... he just works for a couple of 'em.

Summed up beautifully

[asubennett]

Dang it MaryVale yor hoggin my Dark Cloud (nice slam fest I might add)



Here is a few things I'm thinking

Nash will never be able to play D... Its not from lack of trying...its from lack of physical ability....you can't teach tall and fast.

Nash got the are-you-gee RUG yanked on him with D'Ants exodus. He more than anyone. Its like an option QB changing coaches and offenses in his last year of college.... It just wasn't supposed to happen ... I mean, usually a coach has to lose to cruise.

Nash has seen 'His' team dismantled, right when they were on the brink. You think we are the only ones who F-n wonder WTF is going on ???

I hope we deal Nash to NY so he can run D'Ants helterselter sets again. I will become a Knicks fan then too. I just hope it isn't until this off season. Its only a proper payback for the past few yrs of some of the most enjoying Suns basketball since '93. GD we were close.

Nash is no Idiot.... he just works for a couple of 'em.

Kerr and Porter are no idiots either.

Nash was great "offensively" under D'Ants system and non-existent on defense.

Nash is good "offensively" in Porters system and still non -existent on defense.

Great players dont play one side of the court and certainly not MVP type players. If this were football he would have been offensive player of the year those two seasons while Shaq and Kobe won MVP.

At any rate, in regards to moving Nash I am all for it ONLY if the right deal is out there. And I dont believe it is. Who do you want that can knock down J's and control the basketball come playoff time better than Nash? Yes he is terrible on defense but nearly every team has one guy we can float Nash out on.

I dont want B. Davis here. Sounds fun on paper. In reality it would be bad IMO. Andre Miller / Iggy / Dalembert for STAT and Nash could be interesting.

Miller / Brown
Rich / Barbosa
Iggy / Hill / Barnes
Dalembert / Dudley
Shaq / Lopez / A,undson

[toucansma]

I liked the humble Nash, the Nash that didn't think he owned the Suns organization and everyone should bow down to him, Nash before he started acting like a rockstar. Nash has been a trouble maker lately, don't let his smile and pretty boy image fool you. In tons of articles (not so much from the spin master Mr.Coro from the az republic) but from other newspapers they say what's going on. When Porter was hired Nash never gave him a chance and still doesn't, Porter had to give in and let Nash "run", Nash protested Porter's system along with Bell and that's why Bell was traded than Nash got "upset" that his friend was traded, Nash needs to realize, is he the one paying Bell's salary? Does he own the Suns? No Nash needs to get over it. Porter was trying to make the Suns play defense and Nash still doesn't want to play defense, Nash basically does what ever he wants like he's the "star". On top of that recently he's talking about "possibly" going to other teams while he's still under contract with the Suns, at least Amare didn't say what teams he "narrowed" down his choices in 2010 to, Nash should keep quiet and talk about that in the summer of 2010 not now, he's going to alienate alot of fans and Suns management. As for trading Nash, that trade for Davis is actually a good trade, Davis has good chemistry with Barnes and J-Rich and will bring some excitement back to the Suns. Davis for one plays defense something Nash doesn't and will never do.

The Marbury days weren't a bad thing, that Suns team played with heart, all of them Marbury, JJ, Marion and Amare but today it just seems like Shaq is trying to carry the Suns. I would rather have the Suns fail if they play with heart than have a Suns team make the playoffs with no heart actually. You bring up Nash's 15-9 but again where's the defense? Go to any fast food place and if they give you something with less you always say where's the beef? D is the same thing. Nash doesn't play any defense, he doesn't even make the effort to run out and try to put a body on the opposing player taking a shot.

As for the Nash hate, most Suns fans don't hate Nash. They hate the way he's acting, like a pretty boy. If this guy gave the effort on the defensive end, and played both ends of the court he could say what he wants but right now he's acting like a superstar. The guy even recently said, he's looking at which teams also have salary in 2010, the guy is going to be 36 years old and expects a big pay day? That would be the sad day if the Suns overpay a no defensive playing 36 year old guard.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but come on Maryvales. Did Nash kick your dog or something? What is with everyone questioning his effort. Take the tape (or digital I guess these days) and look at him. Just because he can't run a 4.4 40 doesn't mean he isn't trying. He pushes himself hard. Does he have the greatest defensive instincts? No. Does he have great lateral quickness? No, but the dude tries.

Marbury, Amare, Marion, and JJ. Are you kidding me? Did we watch the same team? They all wanted to kill each other after awhile. Amare and Marbury hated each other , and the others wanted to be first fiddle. They gave enough heart to get their coach the door halfway through the season.

Finally if Nash has made some comments about missing certain people or things, so what. Athletes are humans, not robots. He doesn't show up Porter or his teammates. He lost a lot of people that were close to him and understandably was upset. People get annoyed because Steve gives the honest answer. He has always done that. What do you want him to change his tune and give pure PC comments without any truth? As long as hes not whining to be traded and is making positive contributions (which he is), let it go, please. Someone asked him a question about possible playing destinations. What is he going to say, yeah 100% I want to be a Sun, so then next year if he signs elsewhere we kill him over it. He already went through the Dallas exit so I am sure he has learned his lesson.

All in all , everyone just needs to chill over him. He is not our problem.

[albasuna]

Why can't you haters accept the fact that he gave us one of the most thrilling experiences a NBA fan can ask for. Now that he can't provide us with that... we should lynch him now? Don't be so selfish and classless.


I could understand if maybe he asked for a Trade... but the dude didn't even come close to anything like that. The reason Nash has been saying the things he has been saying, I think it's because Nash feels unwelcomed by the FO just like D'Antoni did. He seems to be being very professional about it, And you guys still bash him. very disappointing and sad.

[albasuna]

If anything I would be more worried about quotes like these...

Shaq

“I have been telling my teammates all year, if they get the ball to me and let me do what I do then I can still put up those numbers. I guess because I am 35 they think that I am too old to do it. Guys were looking for me and I was taking the high percentage shots and try to keep my shooters involved.”

On the Sun playing inside-out offensively:
“I think that is how this team should play, especially the way I am shooting free-throws. It should be an inside-outside game. I have been in the league 15 years and been to the finals six times and that is how you get there. Once we do that and develop consistency and stop turning the ball over, we will be alright.”

source : http://www.nba.com/suns/news/quotes_081229.html

[TXSun]

wow I think this thread broke the record for most consecutive longest paragraphs ever posted. I rather pick up a novel than read long, irrelevant negative $hit. So let me add my 2 cents: FOR THE PAST 4 YEARS NASH HAS BEEN THE SUNS, NASH DESERVES ALL THE CREDIT FOR US HAVING WINNING SEASON AFTER WINNING SEASON, WITHOUT NASH WE WOULD HAVE MISSED THE PLAYOFFS EVERY 1 OF THOSE 4 YEARS. THE SUNS WITHOUT NASH IN THE LINE-UP DURING THE PAST 4 YEARS MUST BE LIKE 1-30 OR VERY CLOSE TO IT. NASH IS THE TRUE "SON" OF PHX.

[JohnVancouver]

If anything I would be more worried about quotes like these...

Shaq

“I have been telling my teammates all year, if they get the ball to me and let me do what I do then I can still put up those numbers. I guess because I am 35 they think that I am too old to do it. Guys were looking for me and I was taking the high percentage shots and try to keep my shooters involved.”

On the Sun playing inside-out offensively:
“I think that is how this team should play, especially the way I am shooting free-throws. It should be an inside-outside game. I have been in the league 15 years and been to the finals six times and that is how you get there. Once we do that and develop consistency and stop turning the ball over, we will be alright.”

source : http://www.nba.com/suns/news/quotes_081229.html

-- also yesterday's "that's what we need to do, get the ball inside to the most effective big man in history" or something equally self-serving. I like Shaq both for his talent, accomplishments and entertainment value but man, he's going through some kind of senile dementia .... he thinks it's teh mid-90s or something.
What happened to the whole "this is a succesful team and i want to fit in with them, not ask them to fit in with me"? attitude he had a year ago? I guess when Porter started pushing for the game to go inside to Shaq as much as possible, he became delusional.
To be clear - i think he's playing far better than i imagined he would but some of the things he says about how he perceives his place on the team ... downright, barking mad

[albasuna]

-- also yesterday's "that's what we need to do, get the ball inside to the most effective big man in history" or something equally self-serving. I like Shaq both for his talent, accomplishments and entertainment value but man, he's going through some kind of senile dementia .... he thinks it's teh mid-90s or something.
What happened to the whole "this is a succesful team and i want to fit in with them, not ask them to fit in with me"? attitude he had a year ago? I guess when Porter started pushing for the game to go inside to Shaq as much as possible, he became delusional.
To be clear - i think he's playing far better than i imagined he would but some of the things he says about how he perceives his place on the team ... downright, barking mad

the scary thing is that he has been playing well so we can't really ignore what he's doing. IMO I'd like to see 30% running 30% low post shaq 30% nash PnR and than 10% randomness. but maybe thats a bit to much nash PnR.

[nashill]

i dont think its hate but rather a disappointment when he started questioning the coach and the system in the media. when you are the team leader, you dont handle the situation like that...