The Official Bring Back JVG Bandwagon.

[HTown_TMac]

Or atleast a coach that can help us get to where we are going.

Maybe I am still bitter about the previous losses. But I think we could use his defense and his attitude in the Locker room... Keep Aldeman as assistant? I know many will say we do not have time to learn new plays, when in reality we have more than enough time.. esp with the way Tracy is playing we can have sets where it is not him or Yao in the play. Our roll players get stuff going for them. I say JVG because of his defense (though without Tibideaux he might not be as good) and we are running his same offense, but it is worse. Only thing I am scared of is a confrontation with Artest. But JVG takes no bullcrap and will make sure they do what is needed to be done.

I think Aldeman could be a good coach, but sometimes it takes way to long for him to make an adjustment and by then its too late. Even though we got lucky in the Jazz game. I am pretty sure it might not happen but.
Discuss. Lock if needed.

[T-Wack]

It's just a shame that he gets to use all of the injuries, and shuffling on the lineup, as an excuse. He's been an absolute disappointment since getting here. At least last year, he was able to keep that defensive intensity that JVG had. This year, the defense has taken a major dive, and the offense has been reduced to giving the ball to Yao every time.

We were playing great with Brooks starting, yet he fails to recognize this. T-Mac has had several games where he doesn't even have double digit shot attempts, yet he fails to recognize this. Yao is not clutch, yet he fails to recognize this, and continues to diagram last second shots for him. He doesn't even try to make adjustments. The guy is a joke.

[Baller 24]

Give Adelman some time, hes off to a better start then he was last year, but I'm confident enough in him that he will finish off strong. McGrady needs JVG IMO, someone that pushes their players to the max, makes them play with full effort. But lol come on guys Rick Adelman is one of the most intelligent coaches in the NBA; he is a good coach, but no need for him to get fired---and if he does get fired, expect this season to be a lost one (unless you get JVG in return).

[abcdef]

I never wanted JVG gone and I want him back. He and his staff made Yao a 25/10 dominant force from a beanpole rookie. He also got McGrady to play with energy, and even got him to play some defense.

[TiMacMania]

i want him back

sick of R.A

[Baller 24]

I never wanted JVG gone and I want him back. He and his staff made Yao a 25/10 dominant force from a beanpole rookie. He also got McGrady to play with energy, and even got him to play some defense.

Agreed, and he let McGrady be the main facilitator on the offensive end; where T-Mac played A LOT better, the main thing is, he got his star players involved.

[jove9]

So let me get this straight. Our offense is terrible, so you want JVG back?

JVG isn't exactly revered for his potent offensive sets. You know that, right?

[Baller 24]

Well our offense last season wasn't anything special compared to 2007. Obviously we had more options, and the ball was moving, but JVG got his main stars involved perfectly. In 2007 the Rockets had an offensive rating of 15, and a defensive rating of 3 (under JVG). In '08 the Rockets had an offensive rating of 18, and a defensive rating of 2 (under Adelman).

[Julio]

Well our offense last season wasn't anything special compared to 2007. Obviously we had more options, and the ball was moving, but JVG got his main stars involved perfectly. In 2007 the Rockets had an offensive rating of 15, and a defensive rating of 3 (under JVG). In '08 the Rockets had an offensive rating of 18, and a defensive rating of 2 (under Adelman).

To add to that , I would say our offence is worse than it was with Van Gundy , where Yao was more dominant ( but , obviously , the blame can go the his injuries and too frequent play with China rather than Adelman's coaching alone ; let's be objective here ) and Tracy was better used .

Also , our defence last year still got the principles of JVG , so it was quite good . Now , even tough Battier is not back in shape (many people here tend to forget it ) , we should be as good as last year , with Artest compensating for Shane's lack of shape .
Maybe Ron's defence has been overrated for his carreer , but I tend to view him as a good defender , not a great one , now that I watch him with some regularity . Also , Hayes defense seems to be worse , and Yao's too . Plus , Brooks is not good on defense , and Alston defence is starting to break due to age I would say . So all in all ,
I don't know if we can blame RA for our defense , but the fact is here , we're lacking compared to the past 2 years .

He was however supposed to give us a better offence , and that happened sometimes , but it's way too irreguliar . Plus , I don't understand , if he is such a great coach on offense , he should not have problems with finding ways for Artest / Tmac / Yao to be effective together .

Where I'm disapointed with RA is that I don't view our offense as much improved for 1 year and half , and IMO , he has had much more talent than JVG had . Just give us Luis back in 2007 and we don't lose to the Jazz IMO . Last year was infortunate , because the way we were cliking ,had we got Yao , we could have beaten them ..
Overall , I dunno if JVG is the right guy , but I'm not convinced by Adelman , to say the least .

[MaxRider]

I'm one of fews that against Adelman. Not that he's a bad coach, it's because this league need some new blood in the coaching seat. Most veteran coaches are too old fashioned (stubborn). I wanted to give Thibodeau the coaching job, too bad most people think he's an assistant coach material (only good on defense). JVG thinks he's good enough for the job. I don't see why he's not, he coached our summer league team pretty well. If he's limited on offensive game, he can hire offensive specialist assistant to help him. Phil Jackson's assistant Tex Winter is the one the come up with the triangle offense.

Last night game as an example. JVG will not put Yao guarding Bargnani on the perimter. He will most likely put Yao on Bosh with help defender or put him on Moon (like he put Yao on Howard during Dallas playoff).

[McGrady2Head]

jvg is the worst coach in nba history. he would probably trade for ryan bowen and scott padgett

[BaYBaller]

Adelman's offense schemes are better, if you watch his sets. They aren't translating onto the court this season overall because of all the injuries and from what I can tell a motivational issue with the players. The only reason people want JVG back is to motivate the players, which is part of the job of a coach, but it's not really going to make a lick of difference in the playoffs. Players motivate themselves come playoff time.

I'm all for new blood in coaching positions in general because old-timers are recycled far too much in the NBA, but for this team I don't think new blood would be a great fit except maybe Thibodeau purely because he was an assistant here for a long time, such as what Avery did in Dallas.

[jove9]

jvg is the worst coach in nba history. he would probably trade for ryan bowen and scott padgett

Ah, but what if he traded your favorites (Chuck Hayes and Luther Head) for Ryan Bowen and Scott Padgett? Then would you like to have him back?

BTW, Tim "Pink" Floyd is the worst coach in NBA history, not JVG. Van Gundy is not even close.

[TMACFORMVP]

I'd love Van Gundy back, he never had the offensive talent that we have now, but it's too unrealistic.

[HTown_TMac]

jvg is the worst coach in nba history. he would probably trade for ryan bowen and scott padgett

That would be Morey's job.

Adelman's offense schemes are better, if you watch his sets. They aren't translating onto the court this season overall because of all the injuries and from what I can tell a motivational issue with the players. The only reason people want JVG back is to motivate the players, which is part of the job of a coach, but it's not really going to make a lick of difference in the playoffs. Players motivate themselves come playoff time.

I'm all for new blood in coaching positions in general because old-timers are recycled far too much in the NBA, but for this team I don't think new blood would be a great fit except maybe Thibodeau purely because he was an assistant here for a long time, such as what Avery did in Dallas.

We have to MAKE the playoffs.

[Amel]

F JVG!

that guy had his chance, he failed miserably

f him

[HTown_TMac]

F JVG!

that guy had his chance, he failed miserably

f him

Question... Do you like anyone? I read 2 threads with you saying 'f' someone..

Give JVG this team.. We would be a lot better. Trust

[PocketRockets]

Ehh during the game against Toronto I predicted someone would create this thread. I liked JVG, but I think in the playoffs we would fare the same fate (1st round loss) with Van Gundy. That's not to say we wouldn't fare the same with RA.

The problem isn't the coaching, it's the players' buying into the coaches philosophy. T-mac doesn't buy in and to a lesser extent, Yao doesn't buy in. I can't blame RA for trying to establish a more balanced team b/c with Yao's recent knack for injuries and T-mac's gimp ass, Adelman has to prepare for those injuries by getting role players involved so they won't be too star-struck when they get a lot of PT.

T-mac obviously doesn't care for RA and his style of coaching b/c he's too "whatever" (I can think of many words to fit into there), and it's killing our team. Tmac wants to go iso's all the damn time and now finally everyone sees he's not a fit for this team. I've been saying this for seasons now, if Tmac doesn't change his mentality, we will never win a championship. There are times to want the ball in your hands and to force shots i.e. at the end of games with 20-30 seconds left, but when you do it randomly during the course of a game, Tmac kills any team momentum that might be building. It was funny hearing bill worrell? (Spell check) talk about the 1st stringers lack of ball movement esp. when getting into tmac's hands. "And the ball just stops."

All in all, I like RA and I like JVG, but if we do keep Tmac we need a coach that can get him to put out the effort needed to win a championship. I hope we don't keep him though b/c that dude is a loser, but it might hurt us more to trade him than to let him rot on the bench. I feel bad for Yao, AB, Ron, von wafer, Luis b/c it seems like they are the only ones still playing hard. Also, battier.

[HTown_TMac]

Ehh during the game against Toronto I predicted someone would create this thread. I liked JVG, but I think in the playoffs we would fare the same fate (1st round loss) with Van Gundy. That's not to say we wouldn't fare the same with RA.

The problem isn't the coaching, it's the players' buying into the coaches philosophy. T-mac doesn't buy in and to a lesser extent, Yao doesn't buy in. I can't blame RA for trying to establish a more balanced team b/c with Yao's recent knack for injuries and T-mac's gimp ass, Adelman has to prepare for those injuries by getting role players involved so they won't be too star-struck when they get a lot of PT.

Sometimes you need to target the players strengths instead of making them do something they dont have to...

T-mac obviously doesn't care for RA and his style of coaching b/c he's too "whatever" (I can think of many words to fit into there), and it's killing our team. Tmac wants to go iso's all the damn time and now finally everyone sees he's not a fit for this team. I've been saying this for seasons now, if Tmac doesn't change his mentality, we will never win a championship. There are times to want the ball in your hands and to force shots i.e. at the end of games with 20-30 seconds left, but when you do it randomly during the course of a game, Tmac kills any team momentum that might be building. It was funny hearing bill worrell? (Spell check) talk about the 1st stringers lack of ball movement esp. when getting into tmac's hands. "And the ball just stops."

All in all, I like RA and I like JVG, but if we do keep Tmac we need a coach that can get him to put out the effort needed to win a championship. I hope we don't keep him though b/c that dude is a loser, but it might hurt us more to trade him than to let him rot on the bench. I feel bad for Yao, AB, Ron, von wafer, Luis b/c it seems like they are the only ones still playing hard. Also, battier.

Jeff Van Gundy was all in Tracys ass and it worked.

[T-Wack]

The problem is McGrady doesn't respect Adelman. Can't say I blame him, either. The dude has made some absolutely awful decisions this year.