BREAKING NEWS (Pack fire more coaches)

[JHSFIVE]

I would also prefer not to hire from within, but Moss wouldn't be the worst. He runs a more blitz happy version of the 4-3. It's not like he's identical to Sanders.

please someone tell me what is so great about winston moss..... People talk about moss and his scheme ideas. if he was so nice why was he's an assistant on a inconsistant D that everyone except him got canned. Perhaps I just know nothing about this guy, so someone please fill me in.

I don't see much talk of that because we have no idea what type of scheme he'd run.
In terms of X's and O's, who knows if he'd be a good coordinator. The main positives I see in Moss (at least from the interviews I've seen), is that he has a great demeanor and sounds like a natural leader. I'm guessing he is a highly respected guy just because of how he carries himself. Whether that means he'd be a good coach in terms of scheme, we'll probably find out at some point either here or elsewhere.

This is what i'm talkin about.. anybody?

[paulpressey25]

Interesting on the strength coach. Chmura was on 540 a couple of weeks ago talking about how bad this guy was and that he had the Packers doing the wrong kind of weight training. He questioned why this guy was hired.

Remember when we hired McCarthy (David Puddy)? Wasn't his first press conference an incoherent rambling that focused on how the Packers were doing the wrong type of weight training and that was the cause for many problems?

[El Duderino]

The Denver Broncos employed the same defense the Packers did this past year and it worked wond.....errrr,nevermind.

I've been wanting to get rid of Sanders for awhile, but overall, talent is easy the most important factor in whether any offensive/defensive schemes succeeds or fails.

McCarthy ran the 30th ranked offense before getting hired here. Wannstedt in Dallas ran a scheme similar to Bates that were top 5 in the NFL and won rings. He goes to Chicago with less talent on defense and the same scheme gets picked apart. Many here want/wanted Mike Nolan who got hired in San Fran after running great defenses in Baltimore. He takes over in San Fran and his defenses ranked 32nd/26th/25th in the NFL. Ditto for Marvin Lewis while he was in Baltimore, got called a defensive guru. Goes to Cincinnati and the prior three seasons to this year his defenses ranked 28th/30th/27th. Guys like Ray Lewis and Reed in Baltimore have made their share of defensive coordinators look very smart. Romeo Crennel helped run defenses and learned under the great Bill Bill Belichick, yet none of his defenses in Cleveland have ranked higher than 26th.

Denver has a miserable defensive line that can't rush the passer or stop the run (sounds familiar), has only one quality corner, and Marquand Manuel was actually their starting safety. Shanahan wanted to be both coach/GM and proceeded to pull a Sherman, leaving their defense badly lacking talent and thus costing Shanahan both jobs.

My favorite coordinator in football is Johnson with Philly, love his attacking style. That said, i don't think there are that many difference making minds in football, the rest mainly rely on the talent to succeed or fail. If a defensive or offensive unit has talent deficiencies, opposing coaches will find them, attack them, and exploit them so long as they have the talent to do so.

[El Duderino]

PFT thinks it's Mike Nolan:

A league source tells us that Nolan curently is in the process of lining up a staff of assistants, and the thinking is that Nolan will be the next defensive coordinator of the Packers.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/01/05/rumors-fly-of-nolan-to-packers/

[aaprigs311]

This was on the pft board...

“Running a 3-4 or a 4-3? That’s what we Packers fans want to know…”

Nolan doesn’t run a 3-4. He likes to talk about running a 3-4 during the offseason but once he gets in to games, he plays a “big nickel” package instead, which is basically a 4-2-5. He’s scared to run anything else because he’s scared of giving up a big play. The 49ers didn’t start running a 3-4 until after he was fired and, with that change, their defense improved dramatically(finished the season 13th after being ranked 28ish when Nolan was here). He has a history of running soft defenses. In washington, Daniel Snyder left a cup of Vanilla on Nolans desk to let him know what he thinks of his defense.

[aaprigs311]

I started a thread on the niners board asking for their thoughts on Nolan. I dunno, I have mixed feelings I guess. The last thing we need is another softy.

[ReasonablySober]

Nolan never had an ideal nose tackle or anything resembling a pass-rusher, either.

You can talk about Singletary taking over having some inspiring effect, but all you have to really do is look at the schedule. Before he took over Nolan saw Arizona twice, New England, New Orleans (in the dome), Philly and at the Giants. Then Nolan gets canned and the 49ers get cupcake wins against St. Louis twice, home against Washington and the Jets and at Buffalo (a 10-3 barn-burner against JP Losman). Singletary lost at home against Seattle, and at Dallas and Miami.

Nolan was boned by a lack of talent on both sides and a crummy first half of the schedule.

[El Duderino]

Talent is the key with nearly any scheme and Nolan is no different. He ran great defenses in Baltimore when he had a lot of talent to work with and his defenses in San Fran for three straight years were terrible when the talent wasn't there.

If we hire him and Ted supplies Nolan with talent, i'm confident the Packers will have some fun defenses to watch. If Ted doesn't supply enough talent, odds are we'll see what San Fran fans saw for three straight years, bad defenses.

It sure would though make for a very interesting offseason in seeing how the roster on defense is put together.

[ReasonablySober]

My guess is the same defense is returned, or at least the same defensive starters. A lot is probably going to depend on the offensive tackle situation. I could see Ted going with an OT in round one and a rotational defensive lineman in round two. I'd love to get McCoy. Jerry has been dominant in every game I've watched him play but he's on the lighter side. Raji might be too high for #9 but he's a fit. The best option if you want to improve the defense would be to draft Brown, Maybin or Hardy and deal back into round one for a guy like Unger or Britton.

[MickeyDavis]

You're right PP, McCarthy made a big deal out of changing the weight training. As we found out change isn't always good.

Chewy was on again yesterday, he said the guy used 1980's style Olympic training methods that just don't work in the NFL. Chewy said the guy had everyone on the same routine and didn't set up individual programs to meet each players needs.

[Ryan5UW]

You're right PP, McCarthy made a big deal out of changing the weight training. As we found out change isn't always good.

Chewy was on again yesterday, he said the guy used 1980's style Olympic training methods that just don't work in the NFL. Chewy said the guy had everyone on the same routine and didn't set up individual programs to meet each players needs.

Seriously? How does an idiot like that get a job in the NFL if he's going to train that way? You'd think someone would have the common sense to realize that wouldn't work and not hire the guy (or get rid of him much sooner).