Wolves vs. Grizz game thread

[Wingman]

I think Foye had everything to do with the Mayo trade.

Great game, especially the last minute. This is a whole different team under McHale, and it will be interesting to see how they react when we come up on some tougher competition.

[lewdog]

okay I've been under a rock ... what's up with McCants?

Well Dewey, the coach ain't playing me and we keep winnin games.
Go figure.

[Zeitgeister]

Where was Kevin Love in all of this?

that's precisely the kind of one-sided thinking I've come to expect.

One sided? What does Foye have to do with Mayo, honestly? I didn't realize that Foye was involved in the draft day trade of Mayo and Love. Mayo played a great game today, he didn't win the game in the clutch, but outside of that he played really well. He didn't look like the 1 dimensional scorer that you have been calling him.

I haven't said that about Mayo. The worst I've probably said is that he puts up empty stats that don't result in wins, and even the most rah-rah Mayo-lover can't call it a "good game" if he blew the two most crucial plays when MEM had a chance to win. GOAT tonight doesn't stand for "Greatest of All Time." Getting good stats except when it matters isn't the sign of a perennial all star.

If you dislike the term "one-sided" can you point to the post where you weren't being a cheer-leader for every aspect of Mayo's game. Here's a hint .. your recap of tonight's game isn't going to qualify.

And I don't remember you giving Love any credit for his good game last week, when he played well, and his team actually won. But tonight you feel like bringing him up -- certainly not one-sided, right?

I'm not on real gm all that much, and I have given Love credit numerous times in areas where he deserves it. For example, he is an excellent rebounder, he puts in effort on defense, and he plays intelligently. With that being said, I think his deficiencies at this point outweigh the positive things that he brings.

If anyone is one sided, its you. If you aren't insulting Mayo's game, there always seems to be a subtle dismissal of what he's accomplished so far. For example, you have to reference a website which uses obscure stats to show that Love has somehow been more effective then Mayo thus far. Speaking of which, several people mentioned how flawed the system is to begin with.

I didn't get a chance to watch the game tonight though, so I can't comment on what Mayo did in the last two plays, I know his shot was blocked by Foye but the other play you are refrencing was that a turnover or something? In the boxscore, Mayo is credited for 1 turnover and he had that earlier in the game so i'm not really sure what happened there.

Ultimately, you have to notice the difference here, that Mayo is being called on to make important decisions for his team at the end of games, whereas Kevin Love is on the bench. I think that speaks volumes in of it self.

[Zeitgeister]

I think Foye had everything to do with the Mayo trade.

Great game, especially the last minute. This is a whole different team under McHale, and it will be interesting to see how they react when we come up on some tougher competition.

Really, why do you think Foye had anything to do with the trade? It can't have anything to do with player fit, since he did trade him for Kevin Love who plays the same position as our best player.

[shrink]

If anyone is one sided, its you. If you aren't insulting Mayo's game, there always seems to be a subtle dismissal of what he's accomplished so far. For example, you have to reference a website which uses obscure stats to show that Love has somehow been more effective then Mayo thus far. Speaking of which, several people mentioned how flawed the system is to begin with.

I didn't get a chance to watch the game tonight though, so I can't comment on what Mayo did in the last two plays, I know his shot was blocked by Foye but the other play you are refrencing was that a turnover or something? In the boxscore, Mayo is credited for 1 turnover and he had that earlier in the game so i'm not really sure what happened there.

Ultimately, you have to notice the difference here, that Mayo is being called on to make important decisions for his team at the end of games, whereas Kevin Love is on the bench. I think that speaks volumes in of it self.

Yes. And he makes the wrong decisions. Does that speak volumes too?

I feel that I present a counterpoint to the Mayo fanboys who would, say, ignore Mayo's mistakes with the game on the line, post that Mayo had a good game, and then later admit they didn't see Mayo play at all.

[Wingman]

I think Foye had everything to do with the Mayo trade.

Great game, especially the last minute. This is a whole different team under McHale, and it will be interesting to see how they react when we come up on some tougher competition.

Really, why do you think Foye had anything to do with the trade? It can't have anything to do with player fit, since he did trade him for Kevin Love who plays the same position as our best player.

If we didn't have faith in Foye we would not have made the trade. And every trade has to do with player fit. Kevin Love could start alongside Al and be more effective than anything we had before the trade, while keeping Foye and Mayo would have forced one of them to be a distributer, which wouldn't work. They are similar players who thrive without the distribution duty and work best when looking for their own shots. Before the season I hated the trade because I thought Foye could be a good pass first point guard, but it is clear that he isn't. Watching them play I see similarities in their games that make me think they would not work well together, somewhat justifying the trade.

[Zeitgeister]

If anyone is one sided, its you. If you aren't insulting Mayo's game, there always seems to be a subtle dismissal of what he's accomplished so far. For example, you have to reference a website which uses obscure stats to show that Love has somehow been more effective then Mayo thus far. Speaking of which, several people mentioned how flawed the system is to begin with.

I didn't get a chance to watch the game tonight though, so I can't comment on what Mayo did in the last two plays, I know his shot was blocked by Foye but the other play you are refrencing was that a turnover or something? In the boxscore, Mayo is credited for 1 turnover and he had that earlier in the game so i'm not really sure what happened there.

Ultimately, you have to notice the difference here, that Mayo is being called on to make important decisions for his team at the end of games, whereas Kevin Love is on the bench. I think that speaks volumes in of it self.

Yes. And he makes the wrong decisions. Does that speak volumes too?

I feel that I present a counterpoint to the Mayo fanboys who would, say, ignore Mayo's mistakes with the game on the line, post that Mayo had a good game, and then later admit they didn't see Mayo play at all.

I love how you try to mask your insults of me by not referring to me directly, but i've seen it all too often from you. Okay, Mayo made some crucial mistakes at the end of the 4th quarter. From watching the gamecast, the Grizzlies were playing from behind nearly the entire way. It also looked like outside of Hakeem Warrick, Mayo had little help, especially from Rudy Gay. I'm surprised the game was even close when considering this point.

I also have to ask, when Mayo's shot was blocked, was it bad shot selection or was it just a really nice play by Randy Foye? You also say that he made a post entry pass to Marc Gasol, and what happened? In the box score, Mayo had 1 turnover, but that was earlier in the game, so maybe you could describe it to me.

In the end, Mayo played better then both Miller and Love, and i'm interested in seeing you dispute this. 2 mistakes (which you say he made) at the end of the game do not nullify everything he did up until that point which helped make the game close in the first place.

[hijacktheparade]

Did anybody notice Conley's performance of a lifetime tonight?

[SSUBluesman]

Amazing how 2 bad teams can lay such great games. Hell of a block by Foye, why Mayo went for a reverse I'll never understand. It's amazing how much of an impact having a team concept and identity makes, as that difference was on display last night.

Now, if only Miller would actually shoot...