Defensive Philosophies

aaprigs311 · Post #1 » by **aaprigs311** » Tue Jan 6, 2009 12:56 am

Pick your poison.

aaprigs311 · Post #2 » by **aaprigs311** » Tue Jan 6, 2009 1:03 am

I'm strongly in favor of sticking with the 4-3. We need to patch up the defensive line and maybe add a another safety to the mix. Wouldn't be opposed to adding a reliable linebacker either. We just don't have the personnel to make a smooth transition to the 3-4 right now. I think we have a solid team that just needs to be fine tuned. A lot of changes need to be made on defensive but there are plenty of bright spots. I don't think blowing it up is the right answer. With a new coach and some new personnel I think we could be a top 10 defense as soon as next season if the right moves are made.

eagle13 · Post #3 » by **eagle13** » Tue Jan 6, 2009 3:04 am

aaprigs311 wrote:I'm strongly in favor of sticking with the 4-3. We need to patch up the defensive line and maybe add a another safety to the mix. Wouldn't be opposed to adding a reliable linebacker either. We just don't have the personnel to make a smooth transition to the 3-4 right now. I think we have a solid team that just needs to be fine tuned. A lot of changes need to be made on defensive but there are plenty of bright spots. I don't think blowing it up is the right answer. With a new coach and some new personnel I think we could be a top 10 defense as soon as next season if the right moves are made.

I tend to agree & that would be my 1st choice especially since some of Kampman & Jenkins' talent would be wasted in 3-4. But I'd be OK with the switch IF we're agressive with our personnel. It does seem far easier to come up with LBs than DL.

Either way hope we keep current pass coverage.

xTitan · Post #4 » by **xTitan** » Tue Jan 6, 2009 3:55 am

Jenkins is almost 300 lbs,in fact I believe he is, would be perfect for a 3-4 end spot. The problem with sticking to the 4-3 is you need more than patchwork for the defensive line you need at the very least 3 quality linemen and I do not see where that will come from, plus I am beginning to believe we may see a decline in Pickett as well, he did not have a great season...........whichever the defense the line needs to be rebuilt and I hope it is very aggressive.

El Duderino · Post #5 » by **El Duderino** » Tue Jan 6, 2009 4:07 am

eagle13 wrote:
Either way hope we keep current pass coverage.

There has been a lot of talk about what happens to players on the front seven with a change of scheme, but we can't forget the secondary. The majority of coordinators play a lot more zone than man coverage, Sanders playing press man almost all the time isn't something seen often in the NFL anymore.

Woodson and especially Harris are best suited for playing man coverage and Lee was drafted largely because they thought he'd develop well at being able to play man and press receivers at the line.

I'll be very interested to see how the new coordinator schemes the secondary.

LUKE23 · Post #6 » by **LUKE23** » Tue Jan 6, 2009 3:53 pm

Stick with the 4-3. Our personnel (especially Kampman and Hawk) is not a good fit for the 3-4, and when you pair that with the other players that do fit having to learn a new scheme, I'm just not a fan of it.

Get healthy, stick with a 4-3, address the line in the draft, and get a DC with a clue and we'll be fine.

wichmae · Post #7 » by **wichmae** » Tue Jan 6, 2009 4:41 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Stick with the 4-3. Our personnel (especially Kampman and Hawk) is not a good fit for the 3-4, and when you pair that with the other players that do fit having to learn a new scheme, I'm just not a fan of it.

Get healthy, stick with a 4-3, address the line in the draft, and get a DC with a clue and we'll be fine.

Completely agree.

El Duderino · Post #8 » by **El Duderino** » Wed Jan 7, 2009 1:15 am

After reading the article in JS today, it seems pretty obvious that if Moss got the job, there would be changes to the scheme.

Not only did McCarthy rail behind closed doors against the plethora of wide-open receivers, soft run defense, lack of physical play and a slew of fourth-quarter folds, he undoubtedly was aware of unrest among the defensive coaches that started early in the season.

According to one source, Sanders and Nunn stood united in support of the scheme whereas the other coaches to various degrees advocated change.

"Sanders and Nunn wanted to do it the Bates way, that it was tried and true," the source said. "But there was another camp within the staff headed by Moss that didn't like the scheme Sanders was using. There was a lot of bitching and griping.

"They caught themselves and didn't let it continue. But the job is hard enough. It's even harder if you have to get the assistants on the same page each week."

xTitan · Post #9 » by **xTitan** » Wed Jan 7, 2009 2:29 am

Pete Dougherty....one source says it is Nolan and another said it is 90% Nolan......

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/art ... 06162/1058

Reddeye · Post #10 » by **Reddeye** » Wed Jan 7, 2009 3:35 pm

Is Nolan really the best candidate for the DC job?

http://thrashard340.blogs.sportsline.com/mcc/blogs/entry/7129546/11075391?source=rss_blogs_NFL

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ninerinsider/detail?blogid=45&entry_id=31733

Post #11 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed Jan 7, 2009 4:09 pm

1st rounders

2008, pick 29 - DT, Kentwan Balmer

2007, pick 11 - ILB, Patrick Willis

2006, pick 22 - OLB, Manny Lawson

Free agents...

Nate Clements, CB - 2001 - 1st round (21st pick) by the Buffalo Bills

Walt Harris, CB - 1996 - 1st round (13th pick) by the Chicago Bears

Justin Smith, DE - 2001 - 1st round (4th pick) by the Cincinnati Bengals

Takeo Spikes, LB - 1998 - 1st round (13th pick) by the Cincinnati Bengals

Players that were not 1st round picks but are starters drafted 2nd or 3rd round.

Ray McDonald, DE - 2007 - 3rd round (34th pick) by the San Francisco 49ers

Michael Lewis, S - 2002 - 2nd round (26th pick) by the Philadelphia Eagles

Mark Roman, S - 2000 - 2nd round (3rd pick) by the Cincinnati Bengals

This list makes up 9 of the 11 starters on defense at the beginning of the season.

Thank god he'd be coming in here to be a coach and not a GM. That's awful.

I can see why the 3-4 failed in San Fran if that's what he was really trying to run. Where's the nose tackle? Where are the pass rushers?

El Duderino · Post #12 » by **El Duderino** » Wed Jan 7, 2009 9:22 pm

If i owned a team i wouldn't even give Bill Cowher both the GM and head coach job, how Nolan was given both jobs is baffling.

As an aside, the Baltimore Ravens defense is becoming something like the Packers under Holmgren with all these assistants getting heading coaching gigs. Marvin Lewis, Nolan, and Rex Ryan is next in line to ride a talented Ravens defense to a head coaching gig. Ozzie Newsome IMO doesn't get enough credit for what he's done keeping the Ravens defense stocked all the time, even when he's had to tear it down somewhat and rebuild it.

Post #13 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed Jan 7, 2009 9:34 pm

When I went back and looked at GMs and their draft picks over the years, Newsome stuck out in a big way. He's hit some absolute home runs and has done the best job overall, BY FAR.

notoriousTJ11 · Post #14 » by **notoriousTJ11** » Thu Jan 8, 2009 2:32 pm

DrugBust wrote:When I went back and looked at GMs and their draft picks over the years, Newsome stuck out in a big way. He's hit some absolute home runs and has done the best job overall, BY FAR.

Not only that but I think Newsome hit a absolute home run with the coaching hire of Harbough, his personality really seems to mesh with the vets after seeing all the turbulence they had last year with Billick (especially that game vs. NE with the timeout mismanagement).