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Pete returns to Kings 

Post#1 » by Wolfay » Fri Jan 9, 2009 12:45 am

The Sacramento Kings today announced that former Kings assistant coach Pete Carril will return to the organization as a Basketball Development Consultant according to Kings President of Basketball Operations Geoff Petrie.


http://www.nba.com/kings/news/Carril_Re ... Kings.html

Great news!

I vote for him to be our next coach, or better yet, have him in tandem with Tom Thibodeau! The Princeton with killer defense. One can only dream...
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Post#2 » by Cruel_Ruin » Fri Jan 9, 2009 12:55 am

Beat me by seconds :lol:

So, Coachie returns to the bench... Ball movement returns to the Kings?
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Post#3 » by KF10 » Fri Jan 9, 2009 1:04 am

I like this move. Pete has been missed IMO. With Coachie you will get better ball movement overall. Coachie is THAT good.

I know Kevin Martin is thrilled about this. I bet he crapped his pants when he heard the news. :lol:
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Post#4 » by SacKingZZZ » Fri Jan 9, 2009 1:11 am

Great news!!! Next stop, Eddie Jordan.
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Post#5 » by KF10 » Fri Jan 9, 2009 1:20 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:Great news!!! Next stop, Eddie Jordan.


Eddie Jordan? Eh, not too sure about that. Will he and coachie complement each other? Absolutely. But Eddie Jordan just has horrible rotations. (If you think Reggie's rotations were bad, Joran's would literary make you pull out your hair) Especially, in late game scenarios. Just dreadful. It doesn't means that he is a bad coach, Eddie is a offensive wizard himself but adding Jordan seems to create a surplus of offense moreso than defense.

I think we have to target a more defensive coach than EJ.
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Post#6 » by cdt3 » Fri Jan 9, 2009 1:20 am

i am very glad to have him back. just don't know who is going to lead them as the head coach. i am not excited about coach natt. can they unfire theus and keep coachie too? i think that the selfishness of theus and unselfelfishness of coach carril would have balanced each other well. my only real problem with theus was his big guy work, where that is carril's specialty. i am really glad to see these guys moving the ball more. that is one of the biggest team weaknesses. but really theus must not have wanted to run the princeton. the talent of this squad though is built around it. big guys passers and jump shooters (Hawes, JT, Miller, Mikki "CWebb" Moore), and lots slashers and jump shooting small guys. the biggest problem with theus was the offense he wanted didn't fit the personnel and it wasn't his fault the maloofs hired him and gave him the ok to change. this is a smart move by the maloofs to admit their mistake and go back to the princeton. i don't know who is our future head coach but i like the direction they are going.
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Post#7 » by cdt3 » Fri Jan 9, 2009 1:46 am

i would love eddie jordan. the only reason theus was gone is the triangle didn't work with the personnel. that is all. he did a good job every where else. eddie jordan is a guy who could lead us a long way. he is a good offense/ solid defense guy. i am ok with him. coaching is usually overrated many times since without tim duncan greg popovich is jobless, and no jordan or shaq and kobe and we don't even know phil jackson. adelman was not fired coaching the warriors because they had crummy talent, but the other teams he won with in sac, houston, and portland had good players. jordan stunk here when we had bad talent, but was good in dc with a talented team. i would be ok with him. jeff van gundy would be ok too but can he run the princeton? jordan would be my choice.
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Post#8 » by KingInExile » Fri Jan 9, 2009 2:18 am

YES!!!! COACHIE IS BACK!!!

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Post#9 » by SacKingZZZ » Fri Jan 9, 2009 2:27 am

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SacKingZZZ wrote:Great news!!! Next stop, Eddie Jordan.


Eddie Jordan? Eh, not too sure about that. Will he and coachie complement each other? Absolutely. But Eddie Jordan just has horrible rotations. (If you think Reggie's rotations were bad, Joran's would literary make you pull out your hair) Especially, in late game scenarios. Just dreadful. It doesn't means that he is a bad coach, Eddie is a offensive wizard himself but adding Jordan seems to create a surplus of offense moreso than defense.

I think we have to target a more defensive coach than EJ.



Of course, but more importantly signs point to Petrie still wanting Eddie as coach given the interest before Reggie was hired. Plus Petrie brought coachie in to be on Jordans staff before Adelman came here.

I don't really know if hiring him will be a huge step in the right direction, but if you look at all the signs it seems to be the most likely scenario unless something drastic happens.
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Post#10 » by pillwenney » Fri Jan 9, 2009 3:21 am

Coachie! Hooray!

I am curious to see what it means to be a "consultant". I think it may largely be him stressing the principles of the offense--the whole unselfishness thing, and how it contributes to a successful team, and how if the offense is run correctly, there really isn't an issue of how plays run for a specific player, because that's not really how it works. I think some guys on the team could maybe take a lesson in that. So my suspicion would be that he's kind of a practice coach.
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Post#11 » by SacKingZZZ » Fri Jan 9, 2009 3:39 am

Yeah, I think he'll do pretty much what he did as an assistant his last few years, mostly help the young players. What better than having the creator of the technique itself teach our young players how to play the game the way they should?
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Post#12 » by Smills91 » Fri Jan 9, 2009 3:45 am

YESSSSSS!!!

Wait, this might just kill our lotto chances!
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Post#13 » by KF10 » Fri Jan 9, 2009 4:23 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:

Of course, but more importantly signs point to Petrie still wanting Eddie as coach given the interest before Reggie was hired. Plus Petrie brought coachie in to be on Jordans staff before Adelman came here.

I don't really know if hiring him will be a huge step in the right direction
, but if you look at all the signs it seems to be the most likely scenario unless something drastic happens.


That was the point I was making. Is Jordan the right step? Well, I'm not saying that I well not welcome Jordan, of course not. He is, perhaps the ideal fit for the player's strengths. Take a look at which players can excel with the (variation) of Princeton Offense. You have a handful of players in our roster. But aside of Jordan's strengths. Jordan does have his shortcomings. Glaring ones. Like I mentioned before his rotations are pretty bad. He rather play Etan Thomas over Brendan Haywood! Haywood, arguably one of the best post defenders in this league today. And only legit defensive force/player in that roster. His late game plays are mediocre. His defensive scheme was basically trying to outscore the opponent. IMO that got him canned from Washington.

Eddie Jordan is a good fit for our players but it isn't the right step to become a legit contenders in the near future. Having Jordan makes us too offensive and pretty much non-existent on defense. We have to have a balance of the two. (Offense AND Defense). Not only one. We will win games, probably entertaining factor will return to the Kings. But only offense does not win in the playoffs.

The only condition(s) that I will welcome Eddie Jordan is getting the right balance of staff. First of all, the lead assistant(s) of Jordan must take defense as a #1 priority. Having a balance of the two would work well. Another condition is that getting the right kind of players. We already have Eddie Jordan-type of players in Martin, Miller, Garcia, and etc. We need defensive minded players as well. Think the 02-03 Kings. We had Jimmy Jackson, Keon Clark, Scott Pollard, a prime Bobby Jackson, Christie, Funderburke and etc. I still think modeling from that team is beneficial in many ways. That team was SO balance.

Eddie Jordan might be the logical choice for the mention reasons above but in general it isn't the right step forward if you are looking at the whole picture, which is winning a championship.
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Post#14 » by King Baller » Fri Jan 9, 2009 4:51 am

Yoda returns :lol:

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Post#15 » by dozencousins » Fri Jan 9, 2009 5:49 am

I think this is bad timing honestly
If the kings did this before this season or after this season i would see it as a good thing
but in the middle of this season i see it as bad time (a consultant ! ) his role is not a coach ? seems to me he is just an advisor to petrie & the maloofs possibly as to what the talent we have on our team and mayber the style of ball we should play etc. and to evaluate our current coaching staff if so this is basically Petrie's job !
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Post#16 » by SacKingZZZ » Fri Jan 9, 2009 6:27 am

kingsfan10 wrote:That was the point I was making. Is Jordan the right step? Well, I'm not saying that I well not welcome Jordan, of course not. He is, perhaps the ideal fit for the player's strengths. Take a look at which players can excel with the (variation) of Princeton Offense. You have a handful of players in our roster. But aside of Jordan's strengths. Jordan does have his shortcomings. Glaring ones. Like I mentioned before his rotations are pretty bad. He rather play Etan Thomas over Brendan Haywood! Haywood, arguably one of the best post defenders in this league today. And only legit defensive force/player in that roster. His late game plays are mediocre. His defensive scheme was basically trying to outscore the opponent. IMO that got him canned from Washington.

Eddie Jordan is a good fit for our players but it isn't the right step to become a legit contenders in the near future. Having Jordan makes us too offensive and pretty much non-existent on defense. We have to have a balance of the two. (Offense AND Defense). Not only one. We will win games, probably entertaining factor will return to the Kings. But only offense does not win in the playoffs.

The only condition(s) that I will welcome Eddie Jordan is getting the right balance of staff. First of all, the lead assistant(s) of Jordan must take defense as a #1 priority. Having a balance of the two would work well. Another condition is that getting the right kind of players. We already have Eddie Jordan-type of players in Martin, Miller, Garcia, and etc. We need defensive minded players as well. Think the 02-03 Kings. We had Jimmy Jackson, Keon Clark, Scott Pollard, a prime Bobby Jackson, Christie, Funderburke and etc. I still think modeling from that team is beneficial in many ways. That team was SO balance.

Eddie Jordan might be the logical choice for the mention reasons above but in general it isn't the right step forward if you are looking at the whole picture, which is winning a championship.


Eh, that was pretty much the only complaint I think fans brought up continuously besides the regular "fan" complaints. I myself am a little biased, I really like Etan Thomas and thought he actually didn't play enough. He's a solid defender himself you know. One thing I like about Eddie Jordan is he knows where his bread is buttered. He rides the backs of those who will give them the best chance to win every night, and as with Rick Adelman, maybe a little too much, but it's better than the crap we have now. Guys playing 40 minutes one night, and then 25 the next. He's also a bit of a players coach, something we need more than anything right now. The last 2 coaches were a little bit too high and mighty for their own good.


I see us going with an experienced coach this time, there are simply too many out there right now. It just makes too much sense in every way. If they don't hire Jordan it's kind of dumb, he clearly fits Geoff Petries vision, why fight it any longer? Not that it was necessarily a fight, but it seems Petrie is pretty much back in full control here. Unless they lose out to another team, don't feel they are ready for a big money coach (Eddie won't come cheap), or the Maloofs are dazzled by another great powerpoint by some noname scrub then it just makes too much sense. He might not be our next long term coach, then again he might be. I think he's a guy with enough clout however to stick around for at least the majority of his contract.
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Post#17 » by SacKingZZZ » Fri Jan 9, 2009 6:36 am

bdgking wrote:I think this is bad timing honestly
If the kings did this before this season or after this season i would see it as a good thing
but in the middle of this season i see it as bad time (a consultant ! ) his role is not a coach ? seems to me he is just an advisor to petrie & the maloofs possibly as to what the talent we have on our team and mayber the style of ball we should play etc. and to evaluate our current coaching staff if so this is basically Petrie's job !


From the sound of it his role is kind of whatever it needs to be. I am pretty positive, and it is starting to sound like his main role will be what he was even as an assistant here: a teacher. He did great things with Kevin Martin and I am sure first and foremost he'll be working with the other young players as well.
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Post#18 » by dozencousins » Fri Jan 9, 2009 6:45 am

I am all for that i just think should have been done before this season or after it not in the middle of it !
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Post#19 » by humboldtkingsfan » Fri Jan 9, 2009 6:56 am

I am really happy about this news. Last night, when I couldn't sleep I threw on some NBATV and they had Coach Jordan showing how the Princeton offense works, or at least the split play we are so familiar with. I was also surprised to hear him say that Coachie in fact didn't invent this offense, instead he learned it from the old Lakers teams and then just taught it really well. Anyways, he is the master of the Princeton and I am hoping this means we make a hire sooner than later for the rest of the season. I like Natt, and I believe we've progressed a little, but I'd like to go ahead and renew my interest now, Maloofs!
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Post#20 » by KF10 » Fri Jan 9, 2009 7:11 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:
Eh, that was pretty much the only complaint I think fans brought up continuously besides the regular "fan" complaints. I myself am a little biased, I really like Etan Thomas and thought he actually didn't play enough. He's a solid defender himself you know. One thing I like about Eddie Jordan is he knows where his bread is buttered. He rides the backs of those who will give them the best chance to win every night, and as with Rick Adelman, maybe a little too much, but it's better than the crap we have now. Guys playing 40 minutes one night, and then 25 the next. He's also a bit of a players coach, something we need more than anything right now. The last 2 coaches were a little bit too high and mighty for their own good.


I see us going with an experienced coach this time, there are simply too many out there right now. It just makes too much sense in every way. If they don't hire Jordan it's kind of dumb, he clearly fits Geoff Petries vision, why fight it any longer? Not that it was necessarily a fight, but it seems Petrie is pretty much back in full control here. Unless they lose out to another team, don't feel they are ready for a big money coach (Eddie won't come cheap), or the Maloofs are dazzled by another great powerpoint by some noname scrub then it just makes too much sense. He might not be our next long term coach, then again he might be. I think he's a guy with enough clout however to stick around for at least the majority of his contract.


There were other complaints as well. Not only the Etan/Haywood issue. Probably the biggest is Eddie Jordan's defensive scheme. During the tenure of Eddie Jordan, here are the defensive rankings:

07-08: -> 24th
06-07: -> 28th
05-06: -> 22nd
04-05: -> 19th

It ranges from mediocre to horrible.

That is not getting it done. Defense should be priority for us bar none. Having EJ just limits us to attaining a defensive mentality. Obviously, Jordan will make us more talented in the offensive aspect. But it isn't necessary upgrade. We can't keep avoiding the defense question. We are been avoiding this for years.

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