Shaun Livingston

[crazykidd2k6]

What exactly is a post up point guard?
A guy with horrible handle that has to dribble with his back to the basket at the 3 point line?
Or a guy that has such a horrible 1st step he has to post up to get any scores besides transition.

Come on dude, stop.

The last "post up point guard" may have been Mark Jackson and dude was slow.

Livingston was quite quick pre-injury.

I wouldn't trade Bobby Simmons and Hassell for Hughes.

Yuck.

First of, I dont know what the hell you were trying to say in your first comment.

Secondly, I'm pretty sure Sam Cassell is a post up point guard.

Third, Yes livingston was quick pre-injury but the guy still has talents to play ball and he has all the talent to be a good post up player. It's not like i'm saying he will our future point guard i'm saying he will be a good combo with harris because on how different they would both play.

You wouldn't trade simmons and hassell for hughes? Your just an idiot lol.

I must say ever since Enetric disappear most of new posters and even the Old posters became idiotic in this forum.

[vincecarter4pres]

No need to call me an idiot.

It obviously shows in your arguments that you don't have a very good concept of basketball or the NBA and that you're one of those people that looks at nothing but a stat sheet and think's that it translates to the bottom line of a player's worth and fit.

There is a reason no one has traded for Hughes.

No one wants him.

I thought when Cleveland signed him that it was a horrible move and one of the grossest over pays in NBA history, right up there with Eddie Curry.

I don't even feel the need to explain why we would not want him on this team.

Any way, it's already been done in the other thread about him by NetsForce.

Now go finish your home work you ass clown.

[jerseyjac]

I said this somewhere else. One 10-day contract. A second one after that if he does well and pending on that, a final contract for the rest of the season. I'm not in for giving him anything longterm right now.

yeh I mentioned this in another thread...get ready for some 10 day contracts...I'm all up for Shaun to show us what he can do...tough injury to come back from...but this kid has some killer talent, if he can get back close to his old form...

[crazykidd2k6]

No need to call me an idiot.

It obviously shows in your arguments that you don't have a very good concept of basketball or the NBA and that you're one of those people that looks at nothing but a stat sheet and think's that it translates to the bottom line of a player's worth and fit.

Sorry for calling you an Idiot.... But the Fact that you think I've been using stats for my basketball concept makes you not an idiot but a (Please Use More Appropriate Word). I don't use any stats in any of my arguements I really don't know where you got this from but I guess your using your psychic abilities to read me. As for the way I look at basketball players, I look at there skills first, then how much chemistry the player would have in team and finally talent and confidence.

As for Hughes you really think me looking at his stats makes me want him? With his atrocious 40.8 % field goal range? Or what about him being very athletic and fast who can run the transition with Devin Harris so we can finally have somebody back him up and not only become a one man fastbreak team? I just got a question is Hughes being very athletic and fast nba stats for you? The fact that he is really good man defender with one of the quickest hands in the nba and probably one of the best stealer in the nba which exactly what we need a perimeter defender is just perfect for the team. Yes he does have a downside like almost every NBA player. He shoots too many jump shots and takes too many shots. However i don't see him starting on the team when carter is around. plus i only see him to play around 25 minutes a game. NOT TO MENTION ACQUIRING does not change anything on what kind of moves we can do in any transactions like i said in the other post:

Why would Hughes' contract would matter to us? We have 3 players that would have expiring contracts next year(not adding Hassell that would sign his player option) Not to mention, the 3 players that has expiring contracts is Swift(6 mill), Ager(1mill), Hayes(2mill). Right now we are over the Salary Cap for about 10 mill. So even if the players we have expires in our team we wouldn't have enough cap to sign anybody for next year except our MLE. So basically what i'm saying is having Hughes' contract or Swift, Ager, and Hayes would have the same affect going to next year.

Anyway I did do my Hw

[vincecarter4pres]

Hughes isn't even a good man defender, actually he might not even be average.
He is a gambler and that is how he gets his steals.
He will be horrible for chemistry.
He has delusions of grandeur and will cry about his lack of minutes and his role if he isn't starting and getting at least 30mpg and being used as the 2nd option.
He will kill the development of the young guys and bury CDR even farther on the bench.
This team will not take on ANY additional salary for a scrub like Hughes.
The only possible scenario where I see us aquiring him is for Simmons and Ager or Simmons and Hassel, maybe Simmons and Swat.
Chicago would probably take that to get rid of the cancer that is Larry.
Hence the reason we do not want him.
He provides nothing of substantial value to this team and in no way significantly improves it.

Do you cringe everytime Simmons takes stupid shot?
If you answered yes, just imagine when Hughes is in, chucking away.

He used to be one of my favorite players when he was younger, but then I realised he is nothing more than a stat stuffing, ego-maniacal, piss poor defense playing, legend in his own mind, out for the money-playing in contract year, team cancerous, offense killing scrub.

Say no to Larry "Legend in My Own Mind" Hughes.

[jerseyjac]

No need to call me an idiot.

It obviously shows in your arguments that you don't have a very good concept of basketball or the NBA and that you're one of those people that looks at nothing but a stat sheet and think's that it translates to the bottom line of a player's worth and fit.

Sorry for calling you an Idiot.... But the Fact that you think I've been using stats for my basketball concept makes you not an idiot but a I don't use any stats in any of my arguements I really don't know where you got this from but I guess your using your psychic abilities to read me. As for the way I look at basketball players, I look at there skills first, then how much chemistry the player would have in team and finally talent and confidence.

As for Hughes you really think me looking at his stats makes me want him? With his atrocious 40.8 % field goal range? Or what about him being very athletic and fast who can run the transition with Devin Harris so we can finally have somebody back him up and not only become a one man fastbreak team? I just got a question is Hughes being very athletic and fast nba stats for you? The fact that he is really good man defender with one of the quickest hands in the nba and probably one of the best stealer in the nba which exactly what we need a perimeter defender is just perfect for the team. Yes he does have a downside like almost every NBA player. He shoots too many jump shots and takes too many shots. However i don't see him starting on the team when carter is around. plus i only see him to play around 25 minutes a game. NOT TO MENTION ACQUIRING does not change anything on what kind of moves we can do in any transactions like i said in the other post:

Why would Hughes' contract would matter to us? We have 3 players that would have expiring contracts next year(not adding Hassell that would sign his player option) Not to mention, the 3 players that has expiring contracts is Swift(6 mill), Ager(1mill), Hayes(2mill). Right now we are over the Salary Cap for about 10 mill. So even if the players we have expires in our team we wouldn't have enough cap to sign anybody for next year except our MLE. So basically what i'm saying is having Hughes' contract or Swift, Ager, and Hayes would have the same affect going to next year.

Anyway I did do my Hw

keep it clean...officially warned for flaming...not interested in Hughes debate causing a flamewar on this board...

[jerseyjac]

No need to call me an idiot.

It obviously shows in your arguments that you don't have a very good concept of basketball or the NBA and that you're one of those people that looks at nothing but a stat sheet and think's that it translates to the bottom line of a player's worth and fit.

There is a reason no one has traded for Hughes.

No one wants him.

I thought when Cleveland signed him that it was a horrible move and one of the grossest over pays in NBA history, right up there with Eddie Curry.

I don't even feel the need to explain why we would not want him on this team.

Any way, it's already been done in the other thread about him by NetsForce.

Now go finish your home work you .

and you know better...vc4pres....

[vincecarter4pres]

He started it!

[crazykidd2k6]

I'm really sorry for calling you names and stuff. Something actually happened in my personal life and I guess i took some of the anger out on you when you went against me on everything i said. Well it's all solve now and I just I re-read my arguements and i just realize how much of an **** i'm being. So I apologize.

HOWEVER, I STILL would go do that trade. since we are not giving up anything for him

[vincecarter4pres]

I'm really sorry for calling you names and stuff. Something actually happened in my personal life and I guess i took some of the anger out on you when you went against me on everything i said. Well it's all solve now and I just I re-read my arguements and i just realize how much of an **** i'm being. So I apologize.

HOWEVER, I STILL would go do that trade. since we are not giving up anything for him

No harm no foul.
If I let stuff on an internet message board get to me I would have went crazy a long time ago.