College players thread/ Draft Related thread

Post #221 » by **Klomp** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:20 pm

How many current Gophers have a decent shot at the NBA?

Zeitgeister · Post #222 » by **Zeitgeister** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:09 pm

klomp44 wrote:How many current Gophers have a decent shot at the NBA?

I would say Al Nolen, and Colton Iverson have the best chance, and Ralph Sampson III has an outside chance as well if nothing else because of his size, and being a decent athlete.

Sephiroth · Post #223 » by **Sephiroth** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:03 pm

Right now as it stands, according to nbadraft.net, the Wolves have picks 5, 14, 17, and 29.

If this holds up (not likely - but will be close) the Wolves are gonna make some noise on draft day.

mandurugo · Post #224 » by **mandurugo** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:04 pm

PeeDee wrote:Perhaps we could package 17 and 28 and move into the late lottery again, say 12..

In this range, we could take some shots at guys with the most upside: (1 big, 1 wing perhaps?)

I would be pretty upset if I was a fan of a team with a #12 pick and it got traded for #17 and #28. It would be great for the wolves, but I don't think there is a team that would do it.

I still think that the wolves should pay no attention to need when drafting and just go for the best player available. This year, last year - every year. If they absolutely cannot determine the BPA, only then would it be reasonable to use need to filter the choices.

Post #225 » by **revprodeji** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:43 pm

I kind of think packaging for a young vet might be the best option. is there a backcourt player that we could get for a couple of the picks and an exp?

if our first did go to lac, what kind of cap help would that cause? not saying I want to lose a pick but this is a weak mid-rd draft, we have other picks, and perhaps we would come out with more cap space?

also, we will be adding a hopefully healthy corey brewer to this team. that has a bit of value.

however suggested pek+bos for jordan has not done their hmwk on pek. pek is a bettr prospect than jordan.

Zeitgeister · Post #226 » by **Zeitgeister** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:43 am

Okay, maybe not Pek+Bos for Jordan, but in general to move up in the draft or to get a similar defensive player. Pekovic does nothing for me, he duplicates what we already have. He's not known for his defense, he's a good low post scorer, but not very athletic.

PeeDee · Post #227 » by **PeeDee** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 2:18 am

mandurugo wrote:I would be pretty upset if I was a fan of a team with a #12 pick and it got traded for #17 and #28. It would be great for the wolves, but I don't think there is a team that would do it.

I'm guessing you would be in the minority. 17 + 28 for 12 is very fair imo. Look at what past years would have resulted in:

2008: Jason Thompson for Roy Hibbert and Donte Green
2007: Thad Young for Sean Young and Tiago Splitter
2006: Hilton Armstrong for Shawne Williams and Maurice Ager
2005: Yaroslav Korolev for Danny Granger and Ian Mahinmi
2004: Robert Swift for Josh Smith and Beno Udrich
2003: Nick Collison for Zarko Cabarkapa and Kendrick Perkins*
2002: Melvin Ely for Juan Dixon and John Salmons*

As you can see, it's not a sure thing that you get a contributer @ 12, let alone any other number. Good players can be had later on in the draft too, and if a team is looking to add youth, then 12 for 17 and 28 isn't a bad deal at all.

*Player wasn't picked at 28 because there wasn't as many teams picking this year. These players were drafted 3rd to last in each of their respective first rounds.

big3_8_19_21 · Post #228 » by **big3_8_19_21** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:35 am

anyone watch the UNC vs. Wake Forest or UCLA vs. USC games? I caught some of each, but not the full games...

Holiday made a few very nice plays and his 3 was really falling making 3/4 from downtown, though I think they all came in the 1st half. He had one particularly nice left handed floater HIGH off the glass over the defender. I didn't watch enough to notice DeRozan much, but he did hit about 3 shots in a row from mid-range.

Danny Green for UNC and Jeff Teague for Wake Forest looked TERRIFIC today. Teague looks like a SUPERB scorer getting to the rim, finishing in traffic and hitting shots from deep. Green was very disruptive defensively and hit more than one big shot just to keep the heels in the game. Teague just DOMINATED his match-up with Ty Lawson. I think Teague definitely needs to be examined more closely. He really looked good today.

Post #229 » by **revprodeji** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:17 pm

Green is an interesting prospect. In the shadow of the UNC system, and Tyler.

Lawson is overrated.

mandurugo · Post #230 » by **mandurugo** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:28 pm

PeeDee wrote:I'm guessing you would be in the minority. 17 + 28 for 12 is very fair imo. Look at what past years would have resulted in:
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As you can see, it's not a sure thing that you get a contributer @ 12, let alone any other number. Good players can be had later on in the draft too, and if a team is looking to add youth, then 12 for 17 and 28 isn't a bad deal at all.

Good point, you might be right I could be in the minority on this. I guess for me the early 2nd round is more valuable then the end of the first round because of the guaranteed contract. So while your examples show that for a team in the right situation it might be worth it, I still think it is a bad gamble. I would much rather have as large a pool of players to choose from as possible without handicapping my future.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #231 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:51 pm

I'm getting zoned in on Darren Collison, he's got NBA stud written all over him.

Post #232 » by **C.lupus** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:57 pm

Me too. I think he could look real nice on the Wolves. Wish he was a couple inches taller but, oh well.

On a related note: Lawson has fallen off my radar.

Zeitgeister · Post #233 » by **Zeitgeister** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:28 pm

I like Lawson more then Collison. I think Collison can be a solid player, but i'd prefer Lawson if I had to choose. The ultimate PG prospect for me outside of Rubio of course is still Holiday.

deeney0 · Post #234 » by **deeney0** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:30 pm

I'll echo Lawson being overrated, I've felt that since last year. He's going to make someone very happy in a backup roll, but he's situational - he's not an NBA starter.

john2jer · Post #235 » by **john2jer** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:44 pm

Lawson's fast as crap, though, isn't he? He seems to get a ton of fast baskets in transition. He's a bit too small for the Wolves, though. Great ball handler and defender, just can't shoot. Nothing wrong with a TJ Ford type. No way I'd take him as high as 6 where draftexpress.com has him. But most likely around the Miami pick if available, although we need a PG with some size. All the PG's are midgets this year except for Holiday.

big3_8_19_21 · Post #236 » by **big3_8_19_21** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:22 am

Seriously, we need to take a look at Jeff Teague. He's not on DX's or nbadraft.net's 2009 mock drafts, but I think if he declares, he could really make an impact. He's the 9th pick of the 2010 mock on DX. He's a 6'2" scoring PG, and his assist/TO ratio isn't terrific, and granted I've only seen him play once but his absolute thrashing of Lawson was VERY convincing. He's shooting 54.1% on 3's on 2.6 attempts a game from long distance with 84.8% FT (7.5 FTA per game) and 53.6% FG resulting in 20.6 ppg and he's snaking more than 2 steals per game. Not only did he put up 34 points on UNC and Lawson, but he held Ty Lawson to 9 points on 4 of 12 shooting.

Here's his ESPN profile:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/pr ... erId=36121

Here's his DX profile:
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jeff-Teague-5293/

PeeDee · Post #237 » by **PeeDee** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:35 am

Kid's got hops, thats for sure. Fearless too.

Post #238 » by **revprodeji** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:56 am

lawson has the physical tools of ford but not the court vision or awareness. he literally does not score outside of transition.

earl clark is a hard guy for me to get a proper feel on. sometimes he looks to be a contributor but then he disappears ala donte green.

I think people will find serious love for pek when he comes over. he is more physical than al or love. has a humble nature but plays angry. finishes everything hard. he could fill a dirty bill type role while also feeding off other players. he is getting bigger also adding strength. he will be one of the top big guys off the bench. I am really excited about him.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #239 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 2:41 am

I like Lawson too, but Collison has been a 50% shooter from 3 his past 3 years - and thats on 3 attempts or so a game - plus he's money at the line and has great speed and defense in his own right. I don't really see any flaws in his game besides his weight, but guys like Ford, Augustin, and AI have shown thats not necessarily that big a deal. But mostly his shooting/defense combo seems like a dream come true.

deeney0 · Post #240 » by **deeney0** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:31 am

As far as white wings, I like Singler more than Buddinger. Scoring might not be there but versatility and defense will be. Singler would be a give-up-on-Brewer kinda selection (with the Miami pick, I assume), especially if a guard is taken with the Wolves' pick, but I'd probably be down with it.