Trust=Chemistry: The Mike Brown Mantra

[heathmalc]

The bucket in question was at 1:41 into the 4th? wow, that's a little hard to believe considering pierce's last basket was with 10:00 left in the 4th and actually there was no bucket made at all 1:41 into the quarter.

Lebron came back into the game after Pierce's 4th point of the quarter, not his 7th.
http://www.nba.com/games/20090109/BOSCL ... yplay.html

First, Let me state that I was going by game film, not by play by play.
According to the game clock on the film, LeBron game back at 2:38 into the 4th quarter.... according to the link you provided... The Scorer's table said it was 2:36 into the 4th.

Using the link you provided:

Boston's 1st possession(made basket only):
Pierce Jump Shot: Made (9 PTS) 11:21[BOS 62-72] (39 second into quarter)

Boston's 2nd possession (made basket only):
Pierce Turnaround Jump Shot: Made (11 PTS) 10:00[BOS 64-74] (2 minutes into 4th)

Boston's 3rd possession (Made basket only):
Pierce Layup Shot: Missed 9:29
Pierce Rebound (Off:1 Def:4) 9:28
Pierce Layup Shot: Missed 9:27
Powe Rebound (Off:1 Def:2) 9:26
Powe Layup Shot: Made (8 PTS) 9:24[BOS 66-74] (2:36 into 4th quarter)

9:24 Gibson Substitution replaced by James
9:24 Szczerbiak Substitution replaced by Wallace (2:36 into 4th quarter)


Now... go back to the play by play link that you so kindly provided. And look how many times Pierce gets the ball AFTER Wally is replaced. 3-4 more times for the rest of the game? And ZERO points.

Look at the first 2 and a half minutes, while Wally guarded him: EVERY single play was ran through Paul Pierce. The Celtics completely sent their entire offense at him.

Now, I may have been wrong about a couple minute details, and I may have been off by 2 seconds on when LeBron was re-inserted into the game... but my point had NOTHING to do with that. My point had to do with the Celtics attacking the obvious weakness of our team... over and over and over again, until that weakness was removed.

As for Portland trading Diogu and Outlaw... you obviously dont watch many Portland games. Outlaw has been the fill-in while Webster is injured. They have been shopping him since this past summer, and haven't asked for a whole lot either - go read old espn/nba.com/hoopsworld articles to verify this. As for them "trusting" him to make a play.... We trust Wally to make a play.... that dont mean he always does it. As for Sasha's Value...it is more than you'd think.

And with Miles' contract about to be re-added to their payroll, you can pretty-much guarantee Outlaw will be traded before the 19th.

[TheOUTLAW]

#3 First, you totally misread what I was saying. I never said, nor implied that LeBron "hates" Wally. What I am saying, is that LeBron does not trust Wally, and he expected coach Brown to re-insert him into the line-up. Second, Brown didn't put LeBron back into the game at that point because we had a large lead and he wanted LeBron to get rest...it had nothing to do with "Chemistry"... Mike Brown gave-in and re-inserted LeBron at the 2:38 mark of the 4th quarter.... less than a minute later, and after Pierce had scored his 7th point of the quarter... ALL ON WALLY! (except the switch)

Is this incidental hyperbole or are you intentionally making up a situation that didn't exist? pts in the 4th, Pierce only scored 11 in the friggin game. And you are already admitting that one of those baskets wasn't even against Wally. So what the heck is your point here?

[heathmalc]

#3 First, you totally misread what I was saying. I never said, nor implied that LeBron "hates" Wally. What I am saying, is that LeBron does not trust Wally, and he expected coach Brown to re-insert him into the line-up. Second, Brown didn't put LeBron back into the game at that point because we had a large lead and he wanted LeBron to get rest...it had nothing to do with "Chemistry"... Mike Brown gave-in and re-inserted LeBron at the 2:38 mark of the 4th quarter.... less than a minute later, and after Pierce had scored his 7th point of the quarter... ALL ON WALLY! (except the switch)

Is this incidental hyperbole or are you intentionally making up a situation that didn't exist? pts in the 4th, Pierce only scored 11 in the friggin game. And you are already admitting that one of those baskets wasn't even against Wally. So what the heck is your point here?

Why is it that you fail to see the point of the post? Are you truly blind to the obvious, or do you just try to find the smallest details to rip apart a post?

My point is that every offensive possession was run against Wally while he was in the game. And that nothing he did slowed Boston down, or made them change their mind.

West was on Pierce that first possession because he was the only one available. Wally was quickly inserted to rectify the mismatch. But Wally cannot guard anyone...so LeBron had to come back in.

Quit ignoring the obvious, and trying to rip posts piece by piece... just look at the main point of the post. As I said, I didn't use a play-by-play web-site...I used the game film and memory... so I was off by a couple seconds...big deal. And I was wrong about one basket...big deal. The point is that Boston's offense attacked Wally non-stop. And that nothing Wally did, slowed them down.

Wally needs replaced. Period!

[TheOUTLAW]

I rip your post because it is plain yellow journalism. I do agree that Wally is not quick enough to guard much of any good SF's he's just not. But that didn't need a separate thread for you to say. Fact is however that Boston would have run every play to Pierce no matter who was guarding him. That is what they do much like the Cavs do with LeBron. It also was not that you were wrong about one basket, you were actually wrong about everything you said until you revised the point.

[CzBoobie]

Heathmalc, just stick to your fantasy trades and don't try to talk real basketball, please...You were just flat out wrong about everything you have said so far in this thread. No one takes you seriously anymore.

First, Wally wasn't even in the game to start the fourth quarter and Pierce shoots and scores straight over West...Second, Wally gets to the game for West and Pierce hits tough fadeaway over him, Wally contests the shot as it's all he can do in this case...Third, on the next defensive posession, Pierce goes by Wally and can't score, Wally gets hit, Pierce gets offensive rebound and can't score again, Powe gets another offensive rebound and makes and-1, in this moment LeBron is prepared to be inserted to the game again and Wally goes to the bench...

That's TWO defensive posessions of Wally against Pierce, on one of them Wally guards him well but Pierce scores, on the other, Pierce doesn't even score.

[Mr2400]

The bucket in question was at 1:41 into the 4th? wow, that's a little hard to believe considering pierce's last basket was with 10:00 left in the 4th and actually there was no bucket made at all 1:41 into the quarter.

Lebron came back into the game after Pierce's 4th point of the quarter, not his 7th.
http://www.nba.com/games/20090109/BOSCL ... yplay.html

First, Let me state that I was going by game film, not by play by play.
According to the game clock on the film, LeBron game back at 2:38 into the 4th quarter.... according to the link you provided... The Scorer's table said it was 2:36 into the 4th.

Using the link you provided:

Boston's 1st possession(made basket only):
Pierce Jump Shot: Made (9 PTS) 11:21[BOS 62-72] (39 second into quarter)

Boston's 2nd possession (made basket only):
Pierce Turnaround Jump Shot: Made (11 PTS) 10:00[BOS 64-74] (2 minutes into 4th)

Boston's 3rd possession (Made basket only):
Pierce Layup Shot: Missed 9:29
Pierce Rebound (Off:1 Def:4) 9:28
Pierce Layup Shot: Missed 9:27
Powe Rebound (Off:1 Def:2) 9:26
Powe Layup Shot: Made (8 PTS) 9:24[BOS 66-74] (2:36 into 4th quarter)

9:24 Gibson Substitution replaced by James
9:24 Szczerbiak Substitution replaced by Wallace (2:36 into 4th quarter)


Now... go back to the play by play link that you so kindly provided. And look how many times Pierce gets the ball AFTER Wally is replaced. 3-4 more times for the rest of the game? And ZERO points.

Look at the first 2 and a half minutes, while Wally guarded him: EVERY single play was ran through Paul Pierce. The Celtics completely sent their entire offense at him.

Now, I may have been wrong about a couple minute details, and I may have been off by 2 seconds on when LeBron was re-inserted into the game... but my point had NOTHING to do with that. My point had to do with the Celtics attacking the obvious weakness of our team... over and over and over again, until that weakness was removed.

As for Portland trading Diogu and Outlaw... you obviously dont watch many Portland games. Outlaw has been the fill-in while Webster is injured. They have been shopping him since this past summer, and haven't asked for a whole lot either - go read old espn/nba.com/hoopsworld articles to verify this. As for them "trusting" him to make a play.... We trust Wally to make a play.... that dont mean he always does it. As for Sasha's Value...it is more than you'd think.

And with Miles' contract about to be re-added to their payroll, you can pretty-much guarantee Outlaw will be traded before the 19th.

i never argued the time that lebron came back into the game. i just said that he came in after pierce made two jump shots. one was on the switch, and one was on wally. that's my point: it was 4 points and not 7. so really he scored on wally one time. big deal.

you were off by about 20 seconds on when pierce scored his first basket, not 2 seconds.

after lebron came in, pierce only played 5 minutes. getting the ball 3-4 more times isn't really out of the norm for that amount of playing time.

we don't trust wally like they do outlaw. we would never, ever give wally the ball and say "go isolate and hit a game winner". that wouldn't even happen if lebron was out.

outlaw a fill in? you seriously have to be kidding. He played 27 minutes a game last year, webster played 28. outlaw scored more last year than webster did. he also rebounded more. outlaw is the better player. go find some facts to back up some of your claims before you make them.

even if i did buy that sasha is worth anything near outlaw, the blazers have no need for sasha. at the 2/3 they have roy, outlaw, batum, fernandez, and webster (when he gets back). sasha doesn't crack that rotation. no way. he can't even make it into regular playing time in cleveland.