1/12/2009 Woelfel: Conley deal waiting for Herb (poll added)

[jerrod]

For all you Mo Williams haters and Sessions fanatics It is no accident Mo Williams is on the best team in the NBA is it???

Yeah what he says. Mo does make LeBron better.

keep rolling your eyes all you want. the cavs made one big offseason move and are now considerably better than they were last year. whether or not mo makes lebron better is irrelevant because he made the cavs better. you're denying that?

[europa]

I agree, sis. I think this deal sends out a strong signal that Hammond and/or Skiles aren't convinced Sessions is the right PG long-term for this team. And they believe Conley can be.

[ReasonablySober]

That's fine, but you don't give him away. Swap him for a player in a similar situation. Preferably a SG or PF.

They're not giving him away. They're using him to land an excellent PG prospect that fits what Skiles wants to do. Sessions doesn't.

[SupremeHustle]

Not physically gifted? He's not as strong, fast or quick as Conley.

Why can Sessions get to the rim just as well if not better then?

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. Where the athleticism makes a difference is on the defensive side of the ball.

You think Conley is a good defender now, or you think he will be someday?

[ReasonablySober]

You think Conley is a good defender now, or you think he will be someday?

Will be someday.

[SupremeHustle]

That's fine, but you don't give him away. Swap him for a player in a similar situation. Preferably a SG or PF.

They're not giving him away. They're using him to land an excellent PG prospect that fits what Skiles wants to do. Sessions doesn't.

I get that, DB. What we don't seem to agree on is Session's worth, because a swap of Sessions for Conley seems fair to me. Why are the Bucks throwing in JA? That's why I think it's safe to assume the Bucks will get at least a top 8 protected pick back.

[dogswithbeesintheirmouths]

This trade would be absolutely horrible without getting an unprotected 1st rounder in the deal. I don't see what potential Conley has that Sessions doesn't. He should probably develop into a better shooter but it's not like Sessions is a finished product. I liked Conley a lot coming out of college, but the skills he was supposed to have in terms of running a team haven't translated to the NBA.

To me this just looks like a case that Hammond and/or Skiles just don't like something about Sessions, so they want to ship him out and roll the dice on Conley instead of working with him.

And of course they look stupid for drafting a guy on potential and giving up on him so quickly. But I think it's obvious at this point that Hammond got Darkoed again and put way too much stock into 1-on-0 workouts. Trading Alexander for another pick would be fine by me.

[msiris]

For all you Mo Williams haters and Sessions fanatics It is no accident Mo Williams is on the best team in the NBA is it???

Yeah what he says. Mo does make LeBron better.

keep rolling your eyes all you want. the cavs made one big offseason move and are now considerably better than they were last year. whether or not mo makes lebron better is irrelevant because he made the cavs better. you're denying that?

Come on man. Where they not in the finals two years ago? Its all Lebron baby. Put him on this team and watch us go.

[MilBucksBackOnTop06]

Nash and Billups are the strongest examples. Deron Williams would be a more recent example. He did not have a very good rookie year.

Tony Parker...and Gilbert Arenas were subpar their rookie years. No one heard of John Stockton right away his first year either. And if you say you did you are a liar...

Heck, even Jason Kidd struggled his rookie year.

He was so busy fighting with Mashburn and Jackson for some skank groupie his first year in Dallas, and became distracted, that they lost almost 70 games!

There are precedents and examples...

Mike Conley will be the best player of this group in 3 months time.

[jerrod]

there's just no way we get an unprotected first, even a lottery protected first would surprise me so we might be better with a 2nd instead of a late first if the idea of this whole thing is to save money.

[paulpressey25]

[He was so busy fighting with Mashburn and Jackson for some skank his first year in Dallas that they lost almost 70 games, and was distracted..

That is a funny story about Toni Braxton, but Jason Kidd won co-rookie of the year. He split the honor with Grant Hill. So he was doing something right as a rookie.

I think the Tony Parker analogy is the best one. A similar type of game and similar type of PG. I'm not expecting Kidd, Deron Williams or Chris Paul with this, even if it works out.

[aboveAverage]

Nash and Billups are the strongest examples. Deron Williams would be a more recent example. He did not have a very good rookie year.

Tony Parker...and Gilbert Arenas were subpar their rookie years. No one heard of John Stockton right away his first year either. And if you say you did you are a liar...

Heck, even Jason Kidd struggled his rookie year.

He was so busy fighting with Mashburn and Jackson for some skank groupie his first year in Dallas, and became distracted, that they lost almost 70 games!

There are precedents and examples...

Mike Conley will be the best player of this group in 3 months time.

You're making my argument for me. If point guard struggle their first couple of years, then why give up on Sessions?

[jerrod]

Come on man. Where they not in the finals two years ago? Its all Lebron baby. Put him on this team and watch us go.

yeah, they were in the finals because they were a decent one man team and lebron had an amazing run through a couple series. then we all saw what happened when lebron couldn't carry them. now they're a great team, fighting for the best record in the league and i think still undefeated at home. you don't see that as an improvement?

now they can still win if lebron happens to not be amazing every night, that's a huge thing for that team

[raferfenix]

I said this before, but there are two main interrelated concerns I have with this deal:

1. It is being made mostly for financial reasons, as we just couldn't afford to resign Sessions this offseason. If we are able to sign Ersan because ofthis it will take the sting out of this some (especially since he plays the same position of JA as well) however...

2. This may be a sign that we can't trade Redd in a deal where we get some caproom. I think we badly need to trade him still--and this deal does become a lot better if it frees us to trade him for a deal that doesn't give us much cap relief but helps us talent wise it. However, if we can't trade Redd period, even for an ending contract, now and are forced to give up on young talent in deals like this that is a very bad sign.


However, I will give Hammond the benefit of the doubt on this (especially since we do have time to make other moves). One thing Conley can do a ton better than Sessions is set up our big men, and him being a generally good fit under Skiles and with RJ on the wing and Bogut and CV in the post could make him really flourish here.

[REDDzone]

Its pretty simple to me, if Hammond had no plans of re-signing Sessions this summer, then you HAVE to make this deal, because the its JA + half a season of Sessions for Conley (young, talented pg who can help this team for years to come).

JA is worthless, the fact that he isn't even being discussed by us in this deal shows how horrible he is. The fact is that the Bucks front office are willing to cut their losses on this one, and that's a good thing. Don't think for a second they wouldn't take Lopez if they could do it over again. I wish Joe the best though.

The irony here is my dream this off-season was to see a Sessions/Mayo backcourt together, I'll get to see it, just in Memphis.

[MilBucksBackOnTop06]

This trade only works out for the Bucks if Conley is the best player of the three (or we get a first and that player ends up being the best) and he ends up being a long-term fixture on this team.

Yup. I'm not sure anybody is ignoring the gamble involved here, Luke. I simply believe it's a gamble worth taking. But I may be the biggest Conley fan in this forum.

HOLD ON!

DONT FLATTER YOURSELF....I AM! I am the biggest Conley fan in here. I am predicted he is an All Star reserve next year.

AND I AM GONNA LET YOU ALL KNOW IT WHEN CONLEY IS A STAR HERE! Mark my words...

[Thunder Muscle]

C'mon on...no mention that Conley Jr could be the next Chauncey Billups late blooming high pick PG?!?!? Thought somebody would be all over that with Hammond and his Piston ties involved. Unless I missed it.

Anywho, I am mildly intrigued with this deal. I like Sessions, but I think he is being overrated on this board by some. He can get to the line well, but his D and jumper can be suspect. I just think what we're seeing is what we are getting. Conley Jr may end up worse, but I think his ceiling and potential is higher. I'd take a chance on it. I do feel Alexander has the tools to be a solid player, but the fact he is even being mentioned worries me. Obviously the team must not be high on him and that is troublesome. I think he is more a project than expected. He reminds a bit of Marcus Haislip, except Joe seems to have a better work ethic. Just an athletic freak, but "basketball" skills need work. I kind of hope this happens. I don't think it makes a difference this year since we're not getting anything out of Joe and Conley/Lue/D Jones could replace Sessions work. Long term I would rather take a shot on Conley's potential than Sessions'. Take a risk.

[Lippo]

Its a shame we drafted Alexander rather than Randolph,, But the trade is essentially Conley for Sessions, because losing Joe allows us to sign Illyasova, which is a wash. Illasova is Joe (-)a bit athletism (+)a bit of BB IQ.

[BuckFan25226]

This trade only works out for the Bucks if Conley is the best player of the three (or we get a first and that player ends up being the best) and he ends up being a long-term fixture on this team.

Yup. I'm not sure anybody is ignoring the gamble involved here, Luke. I simply believe it's a gamble worth taking. But I may be the biggest Conley fan in this forum.

HOLD ON!

DONT FLATTER YOURSELF....I AM! I am the biggest Conley fan in here. I am predicted he is an All Star reserve next year.

AND I AM GONNA LET YOU ALL KNOW IT WHEN CONLEY IS A STAR HERE! Mark my words...

Actually, Europa has been hyping Conley since he's been at Ohio State. Europa was the first person I thought of when I saw this rumor.

[Lippo]

We should mix it up a bit.

Sessions/Alexander/Gadz

Conley/Darko/2nd