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1/12/2009 Woelfel: Conley deal waiting for Herb (poll added)

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Are you in favor of the proposed trade (Conley for Sessions/JA)?

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NO
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Re: 1/12: Woelfel: Conley deal waiting for Herb approval 

Post#161 » by msiris » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:13 pm

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msiris wrote:Come on man. Where they not in the finals two years ago? Its all Lebron baby. Put him on this team and watch us go.



yeah, they were in the finals because they were a decent one man team and lebron had an amazing run through a couple series. then we all saw what happened when lebron couldn't carry them. now they're a great team, fighting for the best record in the league and i think still undefeated at home. you don't see that as an improvement?

now they can still win if lebron happens to not be amazing every night, that's a huge thing for that team
But if you look at Mo stats all his numbers are way down from when he was with Milwaukee.
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Re: 1/12: Woelfel: Conley deal waiting for Herb approval 

Post#162 » by Fight the Tank » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:14 pm

Nobody is asking this so I will...Why does Memphis want Joe?
"I just wanted to play because I just love the game," Jennings said. "It doesn't matter to me. I get up to play basketball. It's my job. I have to still be a professional and finish the season."
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Re: 1/12: Woelfel: Conley deal waiting for Herb approval 

Post#163 » by Debit One » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:15 pm

aboveAverage wrote: If point guard struggle their first couple of years, then why give up on Sessions?


This proposed deal seems to me to be all about scouting, and how much you believe in your scouts.

The Bucks have certainly had an opportunity to see Ramon Sessions and Joe Alexander up close. Joe for about half of a season, and Ramon for one and a half (although the first year was under the prior regime). Let's assume that they have a pretty good feel for the strengths, weaknesses and potential of those two guys.

Conley is a guy who I really hoped the Bucks would be able to land in last year's draft. Obviously that didn't happen. I liked him for his defensive ability and what I saw as a great feel for the PG position. Then again, maybe I was simply so hungry for an anti-Mo at the PG spot that I overlooked some deficiencies in Conley's game.

One things that seems inarguable is that Conley hasn't progressed as anyone had hoped or expected him to since being drafted, at least in terms of earning the starting PG spot in Memphis. I have no idea whether that is due to Memphis' system, coaching, bad fit with other players on the roster, or that Conley just isn't that good. What I do presume is that Hammonds and the Bucks staff has some idea what the deal is with Conley, and what he might be able to bring to this team.
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Re: 1/12: Woelfel: Conley deal waiting for Herb approval 

Post#164 » by MikeIsGood » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:15 pm

First of all, I like Sessions. I've stood behind him, etc. Alexander...I've been indifferent. He still could be a good player down the road, but as everyone has alluded to or just come right-out to say, I think they see what they have in Midas and are ready to anoint him, so to speak, and move JA. They knew they were going to have to wait for JA and, well, now they don't have to. Luc is for real.

I read through most of the thread up through pg 10ish, and I think I pretty much agree with DB but with a little less conviction. I agree with the direction he's making his arguments, but I don't quite "love" the trade as he does. I'm very open to it, though, and anxious to see what Conley could do here. I'm "good" with it. I think his potential is pretty high and I think Skiles will be rightly, and justifiably, tough on him. I have zero doubt we will, at the least, have a much better defender. Skiles will demand it, and I think all things considered, Conley will produce. The more guys we have doing it, the more it will become part of the team.

On the other hand, Sessions has provided a boost of scoring off the bench. I'll surely miss his tear drop / floater down the lane. I think the thought here is that Hammond and Skiles didn't feel he was the type of PG this team needed for the future, and I think that's really something that they're looking for. I think we all know that, while he has been solid, Ridnour is not the future. They must believe that Conley has the potential to be the type of PG they need for the future.

I don't discount losing Sessions (I do, to be honest, with JA - I'm too happy with Luc to care at this point, truthfully). I'm not totally gung-ho for this whole thing. But I will say that, if we luck out and a first-rounder is part of the deal, you can probably move me into the "love" category. That would be great IMO.

They no-doubt hope and feel that Conley can be their Chauncey Billups. He was noted earlier as a player who struggled early before breaking out. It was countered by saying that Billups had a pretty solid rookie season and henceforth. I just want to point out that, if anyone remembers, and though he's never been a high-percentage shooter, Billups had a hard time throwing the ball in the ocean his first few years, and I think that ultimately led to him falling out of favor. But he showed a glimmer four, five years later, someone gave him a chance, and he flourished. It's just something to think about.
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Re: 1/12: Woelfel: Conley deal waiting for Herb approval 

Post#165 » by Chuck Diesel » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:16 pm

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Re: 1/12: Woelfel: Conley deal waiting for Herb approval 

Post#166 » by MikeIsGood » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:19 pm

N8Frog wrote:C'mon on...no mention that Conley Jr could be the next Chauncey Billups late blooming high pick PG?!?!? Thought somebody would be all over that with Hammond and his Piston ties involved. Unless I missed it.


I think it's been talked about quite a bit, even if not directly. I think when the move for Hammond happened and he mentioned trades that 'people might not initially like,' I think we all got the picture.
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Post#167 » by europa » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:20 pm

BuckFan25226 wrote:

Actually, Europa has been hyping Conley since he's been at Ohio State. Europa was the first person I thought of when I saw this rumor.


What's weird for me is Sessions and Conley are two players I really like a lot. It's been awhile since the Bucks traded a player I like for another player I like.
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Post#168 » by msiris » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:22 pm

I think we need to change the title of the thread to Herb needs to see reaction of RGM board to approve of Conley deal. :D
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Re: 1/12: Woelfel: Conley deal waiting for Herb approval 

Post#169 » by jerrod » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:22 pm

msiris wrote:But if you look at Mo stats all his numbers are way down from when he was with Milwaukee.
Its Lebrons team period.



well of course it's lebron's team

if you want to ignore the fact that they made 1 move and went from an obviously flawed one man team to the best record in the league, then that's cool.

i think that's kind of a big deal :D
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Re: 1/12: Woelfel: Conley deal waiting for Herb approval 

Post#170 » by aboveAverage » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:22 pm

Chuck Diesel wrote:Hate it

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Post#171 » by Mags FTW » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:23 pm

I love sessions but I have this bad feeling that he's destined to be a combo guard. I'm fine with the deal...if it happens. (didn't woeflel once tell me Payton was resigning?)
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Post#172 » by msiris » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:24 pm

europa wrote:
BuckFan25226 wrote:

Actually, Europa has been hyping Conley since he's been at Ohio State. Europa was the first person I thought of when I saw this rumor.


What's weird for me is Sessions and Conley are two players I really like a lot. It's been awhile since the Bucks traded a player I like for another player I like.
Yeah. You have been pushing Conley for a long time. Are you his agent or something? :D
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Post#173 » by MikeIsGood » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:25 pm

Mags FTW wrote:I love sessions but I have this bad feeling that he's destined to be a combo guard.


I think Hammond and Skiles have that same feeling.
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Re: 1/12: Woelfel: Conley deal waiting for Herb approval 

Post#174 » by europa » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:25 pm

msiris wrote:
europa wrote:
BuckFan25226 wrote:

Actually, Europa has been hyping Conley since he's been at Ohio State. Europa was the first person I thought of when I saw this rumor.


What's weird for me is Sessions and Conley are two players I really like a lot. It's been awhile since the Bucks traded a player I like for another player I like.
Yeah. You have been pushing Conley for a long time. Are you his agent or something? :D


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Post#175 » by TheTrivium » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:26 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:This is definitely John Hammond's trade for "Brett Favre" Ron Wolf equivalent. He could look like a genius on this one a year from today.

Other than the fact he hasn't figured out how to trade Redd, I give Hammond high marks for cajones and identifying a guy he wants and going for it.



Or we could be the Atlanta Falcons trading Favre away, Alexander is gonna be great! Favre looked mentally (Please Use More Appropriate Word) in his rookie season, but showed a cannon arm, Alexander looks mentally (Please Use More Appropriate Word) when he plays sometimes, but he can jump out the gym, and is an elite athlete, that turnaround jumper looks to be unstoppable, dont trade him!!
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Post#176 » by Thunder Muscle » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:26 pm

MikeIsGood wrote:
N8Frog wrote:C'mon on...no mention that Conley Jr could be the next Chauncey Billups late blooming high pick PG?!?!? Thought somebody would be all over that with Hammond and his Piston ties involved. Unless I missed it.


I think it's been talked about quite a bit, even if not directly. I think when the move for Hammond happened and he mentioned trades that 'people might not initially like,' I think we all got the picture.


I skipped over a few pages so I probably missed it. I figured it would be mentioned. I trust what Hammond and Skiles are doing. If they think Conley is worth a shot, pull the trigger. I really don't think they would trade away guys that are young and think have potential to really excel, especially a PG. Even with Luc's arrival, I think Joe has value on this team as possibly a 3 and w/RJ near his prime (maybe past judging from some games :) ). So if they saw something they really liked, I don't think they deal him this early unless they are VERY HIGH on Conley. I kind of want it to happen.
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Post#177 » by raferfenix » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:27 pm

Does anyone have the sneaking suspicion that, with our luck, Joe Alexander will win the dunk contest right after this deal? Our team's rabid promotion of his dunking ability should certainly raise his confidence :D
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Post#178 » by msiris » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:27 pm

jerrod wrote:
msiris wrote:But if you look at Mo stats all his numbers are way down from when he was with Milwaukee.
Its Lebrons team period.



well of course it's lebron's team

if you want to ignore the fact that they made 1 move and went from an obviously flawed one man team to the best record in the league, then that's cool.

i think that's kind of a big deal :D
No I just wish we had someone like Lebron that's all. :D Mo is a nice player, but not one that carries a team. I thought we got too little for him.
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Re: 1/12: Woelfel: Conley deal waiting for Herb approval 

Post#179 » by paulpressey25 » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:30 pm

I go back to what Reddzone said regarding JA. Skiles and Hammond scouted and interviewed JA long and hard. He was their guy. They passed a ton of more highly regarded players to draft him. This was a #8 lotto pick. I love the fact Hammond is trading JA while he's still got "potential" but the only major red flag here is the fact Hammond/Skiles wanted Alexander so badly just six-months ago.

Hammond is really doubling down here at the table. Admitting he made mistake on Alexander, taking a chance he'll blow up somewhere else, and giving up perhaps his best trade asset at the moment in Sessions all for Mike Conley, Jr. Babcock has to be pretty happy right now though. The past braintrust loved Conley.
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Re: 1/12: Woelfel: Conley deal waiting for Herb approval 

Post#180 » by smauss » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:31 pm

Now if we can just trade for Horford, my 2007 draft hopes would be realized! :-)
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