Time For a Coaching Change?

[greenway84]

I will say I like Murphy. I would love him if he were coming off the bench and wasn't getting paid as much. Rush is a rookie, but more so I think he has gotten discouraged. I still like Hibbert out there more than Rasho. I loathe Rasho. I won't except Ford until he plays D. Dunleavy, Granger, Foster, Jack to me all do a great job period.

Dunleavy is never going to a lock down defender. but if you have 4 other defenders out there, that's fine. Deiner is a 3rd string point guard. We can't expect a lot from him. He's an energy and glue type guy. Same with graham. A lot of the time players like Deiner or Graham, keep themselves out of a rotation for their careers due to the lack of D. Good offense, but no D. I still don't understand why Josh doesn't get more minutes though.

With all that said. I don't think any other caoch will help this season or next. However I do think starting this offseason we need to bring in a new coach. not because next year we will be a playoff team, but because that would give 2 offseasons, and 1 full season to implement a new system.

Also by the end of the offseason this year. I would expect to see the main group of guys were going to go with. sure we may may make a move (Tinsley) But by the time next season starts it will be about getting the system, gelling with players, and just getting better. Not about future draft picks and big trades. Bottom line Obie needs to go.

[cdash]

Yes, but I am a firm believer that Rush should be benched and that he shouldn't play at all this season because he is just that bad this year. Rush costs us more points, sure we gain defense but we lose more offense.

Have you considered that our team just can't play defense? Do you really think Obie doesn't stress defense, that he just lets his players go? Or do you think our team right now can't play defense?

Yeah, we know your stance on Rush. He has been disappointing this year, but it wont do a great deal for his confidence if he is simply benched the rest of the year. If we arent going anywhere anyways, why not let him play through it?

The notion that this team "can't" play defense is ridiculous. Every team can play defense, and can play decent defense. I'm sure Obie does stress defense, I'm just not sure how much they practice it, and I'm not sure how good he is at coaching it.

[Train7492]

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[Miller4ever]

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[JarrettJackSG]

I will say I like Murphy. I would love him if he were coming off the bench and wasn't getting paid as much. Rush is a rookie, but more so I think he has gotten discouraged. I still like Hibbert out there more than Rasho. I loathe Rasho. I won't except Ford until he plays D. Dunleavy, Granger, Foster, Jack to me all do a great job period.

Funny, Rasho is our best post defender, and Ford-Daniels-Granger-Murphy-Nesterovic is our best winning lineup, according to the stats. We are +35 when that lineup plays. I don't get why Rasho is so hated. He's double the player Hibbert is right now.

The notion that this team "can't" play defense is ridiculous. Every team can play defense, and can play decent defense. I'm sure Obie does stress defense, I'm just not sure how much they practice it, and I'm not sure how good he is at coaching it.

Tell me how would you have our team defend. I don't understand what you expect from our team when on the floor our team as at most 2 guys with average or above average defense.

These are probably the only average or above average defenders on our team:
Granger
Rasho
Foster
Jack.

2 wings, 2 bigs. Rasho can't guard PF's, Foster can't guard PFs Granger can guard from SG to PF, and Jack can guard PG, some SGs, and very few SF's.

Where is notque to explain our team's defense when I need him to do it. I think he claims that we play a lane clogging style that prevents penetration and is willing to play the percentages to give up lower probability shots (3's)

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

I will say I like Murphy. I would love him if he were coming off the bench and wasn't getting paid as much. Rush is a rookie, but more so I think he has gotten discouraged. I still like Hibbert out there more than Rasho. I loathe Rasho. I won't except Ford until he plays D. Dunleavy, Granger, Foster, Jack to me all do a great job period.

Funny, Rasho is our best post defender, and Ford-Daniels-Granger-Murphy-Nesterovic is our best winning lineup, according to the stats. We are +35 when that lineup plays. I don't get why Rasho is so hated. He's double the player Hibbert is right now.

The notion that this team "can't" play defense is ridiculous. Every team can play defense, and can play decent defense. I'm sure Obie does stress defense, I'm just not sure how much they practice it, and I'm not sure how good he is at coaching it.

Tell me how would you have our team defend. I don't understand what you expect from our team when on the floor our team as at most 2 guys with average or above average defense.

These are probably the only average or above average defenders on our team:
Granger
Rasho
Foster
Jack.

2 wings, 2 bigs. Rasho can't guard PF's, Foster can't guard PFs Granger can guard from SG to PF, and Jack can guard PG, some SGs, and very few SF's.

Where is notque to explain our team's defense when I need him to do it. I think he claims that we play a lane clogging style that prevents penetration and is willing to play the percentages to give up lower probability shots (3's)

McRoberts is our best post defender.

[JarrettJackSG]

Maybe, but he isn't as craft as Rasho is. Needs more time.

[cdash]

Have you ever played basketball? Seriously. Defense doesn't take a great deal of talent, most of it is will. A lot of guys (and our team is certainly no exception) just plain dont care about defense. Granted, will isnt going to let someone with size limitations become a lockdown defender, but more awareness on that end of the court would do wonders for this team. The apathetic attitude on defense is contagious too.

[JarrettJackSG]

Have you ever played basketball? Seriously. Defense doesn't take a great deal of talent, most of it is will. A lot of guys (and our team is certainly no exception) just plain dont care about defense. Granted, will isnt going to let someone with size limitations become a lockdown defender, but more awareness on that end of the court would do wonders for this team. The apathetic attitude on defense is contagious too.

What level of basketball do you play in, Rec leagues? You think effort alone can make a defensive team? Murphy and Dunleavy already give it their all defensively, they try to stay in front, they try to go up vertically, they don't gamble and try their hardest not to foul.

This is the NBA. I don't think any level of basketball experience you have or played in can translate into the NBA. Diener would be lockdown defender on anyone who is around his height or below. Will does not make up for the limitations most of our players have. I really find it shocking that you think that defense is about will and not about talent. Do you find it strange, then, that most good defenders have at least average athleticism or higher?

[cdash]

It doesnt matter what level of basketball I played, I'm not a complete **** moron. If you paid attention, you'd notice I am in no way delusional enough to think that this team has what it takes to be on par with Boston, Cleveland, or any other great defensive team. What I am saying is that there is no reason a team, even in the NBA, should be giving up 120+ points on a regular basis. You, with apologies, must have severe reading comprehension problems. I didnt say defense was all about will and nothing to do with talent. I said it is mostly will, and when you are an NBA player, I think its safe that I can assume you already are pretty **** talented. I know what makes a really good defender, I know who are good defenders, and who could never be. My point, which was not surprisingly lost on you, is that this team is capable of playing much better defense, and perhaps it is a coaching problem, or perhaps it is an indifference to defense, but they, flawed as they are, could play better defense. I realize that Dunleavy, Murphy, and Diener will never be good defenders no matter how hard they try, but our team defense could be better.

[JarrettJackSG]

My point, which was completely lost on you, is that we are playing as about max capacity of defense as we can play already, and that maybe we give up so many points because of our pace. You, however, stick to the belief that our defense can be better no matter what.

Look, our pace is so fast that a half court team like Utah even has to speed it up to keep up with us. Because of this, our numbers will be inflated. Do you know that last year we had an average defense, ranked 15th after pace adjusted? I think an average defense is the ceiling of our team. This is after all, before we made those heralded defensive upgrades to our team/green

[cdash]

No, actually I am pretty sure this is the first time you have made that point, which certainly plays a part in why our team gives up so many points. But since I'm sick of bickering with you, I am going to go ahead and say that you are correct: This team plays average defense, and the only reason other teams score so much is because we play at a breakneck pace. Well done.