1/12/2009 Woelfel: Conley deal waiting for Herb (poll added)

[paulpressey25]

It's true. JakeCronus is tight with the Phoenix Suns gorilla. Told him it's a done deal except for the physicals.

[Ayt]

Conley has to be near the top of the list when it come to the least productive players playing 20+ minutes a night. He doesn't score, rebound, get assists, or get steals. Memphis fans claim his defense is very overrated. There aren't a lot of guys that can be on the court for as many minutes as he is -- especially point guards -- and show up as little in the box score.

Edit: I'll say this in his favor. He rebounds well for a PG, he doesn't turn it over (understandable considering the small amount of points he creates for himself or others), and he doesn't foul.

[wichmae]

I will be really glad once this is over.....

[bgassassin]

Conley did play tonight.

3 points and 2 boards in the 4th... I wonder if all three of the subjects of this rumor were distracted by it.

Yeah, that's it. Conley was distracted.

[midranger]

I'm coming really late to this party. I read maybe 5 pages of this thread, and am entirely unwilling to read anymore than that, but this trade is kind of blah to me. I'm not really high on any of these players so I don't really care if this goes through or not. I do think that at max potential, Conley has the highest ceiling however, he has a huge bust potential because he's been completely awful as an NBA player. Sessions has shown some aptitude to play at this level, despite the horrible defense. Alexander just stinks and me thinks if this trade did go down, it would be an admission on Hammond's part.

However, things aren't looking too good for this deal.

[L&H_05]

Conley did play tonight.

Yeah, and Mo shut his lamp off the entire night...

[Pipedream]

Memphis fan here. Update on the trade coming from a legit source in Memphis.

Conley deal not dead yet, according to Chris Herrington of the Memphis Flyer, but still no guarantee if it's going down.

http://www.memphisflyer.com/grizblog.html

[europa]

Memphis fan here. Update on the trade coming from a legit source in Memphis.

Conley deal not dead yet, according to Chris Herrington of the Memphis Flyer, but still no guarantee if it's going down.

http://www.memphisflyer.com/grizblog.html

Thanks for the update. Good to hear it's not dead.

[europa]

I wonder which side is negotiating here. Are the Bucks trying to get more out of the deal (which makes sense)? Are they haggling over the future pick? Are they trying to decide if they can photoshop Darko's mug onto Charlie Bell's body on the Vote for Joe YouTube clips?

[REDDzone]

Conley did play tonight.

Yeah, and Mo shut his lamp off the entire night...

Lowry, on the other hand...

[Pipedream]

I wonder which side is negotiating here. Are the Bucks trying to get more out of the deal (which makes sense)? Are they haggling over the future pick? Are they trying to decide if they can photoshop Darko's mug onto Charlie Bell's body on the Vote for Joe YouTube clips?

I would assume its the pick, but who knows.

I thought both sides had agreed on the terms of the deal and your ownership just had to sign off.

I guess either your ownership wants more or those earlier reports about getting clearance from ownership were false.

[paul]

I wonder which side is negotiating here. Are the Bucks trying to get more out of the deal (which makes sense)? Are they haggling over the future pick? Are they trying to decide if they can photoshop Darko's mug onto Charlie Bell's body on the Vote for Joe YouTube clips?

I would assume its the pick, but who knows.

I thought both sides had agreed on the terms of the deal and your ownership just had to sign off.

I guess either your ownership wants more or those earlier reports about getting clearance from ownership were false.

Your user name could be very appropriate in this thread....

[Pipedream]

I wonder which side is negotiating here. Are the Bucks trying to get more out of the deal (which makes sense)? Are they haggling over the future pick? Are they trying to decide if they can photoshop Darko's mug onto Charlie Bell's body on the Vote for Joe YouTube clips?

I would assume its the pick, but who knows.

I thought both sides had agreed on the terms of the deal and your ownership just had to sign off.

I guess either your ownership wants more or those earlier reports about getting clearance from ownership were false.

Your user name could be very appropriate in this thread....

Haha.

Just for the record, I think this is a good deal for both teams. Despite Conley's unimpressive stats, he does have a lot of talent and I'll wish him all the best if he becomes a Buck.

[raferfenix]

I'm happy it's not dead, as I have become worried that we do not see Sessions as our PG of the future. Whatever you think of Conley, he very well might be our PG of the future, and the worst thing that could happen would be us keeping Sessions and even resigning him despite not believing he is the kind of PG we need (helllllo Mo Williams).

However, obviously if we could get more out of this deal we need to go for it. In particular our team is in desperate need of a physical PF, and if that could be roped into this deal either through a Darko for Gadz swap (I'm far from committed darko is the answer though) or in a 3 way deal I certainly hope we are playing as hardball as we can to get that added value.

[GrandAdmiralDan]

I do agree that Joe will never be a good NBA player, and we should get anything we can for him. But we should definitely wait until after the dunk contest (assuming he gets voted in), because if he does well, his value will rise a little bit around the league. I don't know exactly if All Star weekend is before the trade deadline, but if it is, we should wait until after the dunk contest to trade Alexander.

The dunk contest is on Saturday February 14th (Valentine's Day? Kind of poor planning there).
The trading deadline is Thursday February 19th. Plenty of time in between there to get a trade done

He'll be a RFA if he stays with us but I think if he gets traded he'll be unrestricted. I could be wrong though.

As you suspected, that is wrong
Trading Sessions has no effect. He can be made an RFA whether he is traded or not.

Notice how the split was about 70-30 when half the votes were cast, yet now the discrepancy has dwindled to just about nothing? Even though many of the regulars who originally objected have recently expressed how the proposed trade was growing on them. I think the results were manipulated by opposing fans who heard about the trade later and wanted to give their two cents about how we were getting screwed, since all they see as outsiders are statistics where Sessions prevails in a head to head battle vs. Conley. The die hards heard about it within 12 hours and cast their votes immediately. I don't think what opposing fans have to say on this issue is particularly relevant, unless maybe they're Grizzlies' fans. From now on when these polls are composed I think they should be given a short life span so they aren't corrupted. And RealGM should include an option in polls where posters can change their mind after a the snap judgment phase has passed. The realistic split between true Bucks' fans on this issue would be about 80-20 in favor of at this juncture.

I was about to point this out as well. We can't be at all certain that is what it indicates, but it is interesting to wonder why the initial numbers were so much more heavily in favor of this trade.

I wish that users here would have to have teams (maybe maximum of 3) that are listed under their avatar as teams they are fans of, something you could only change once every 6 weeks. This would also allow for a poll creator to decide to open up the poll to every fan, or just fans of specific teams.

I wonder which side is negotiating here. Are the Bucks trying to get more out of the deal (which makes sense)? Are they haggling over the future pick? Are they trying to decide if they can photoshop Darko's mug onto Charlie Bell's body on the Vote for Joe YouTube clips?

I wasn't kidding when I said I heard things to indicate that some details are still being ironed out, and they are dependent on whether or not Alexander gets voted in to the dunk contest.

This is why I really dislike that Kohl just didn't rubber stamp this one. If this delay ends up getting us Darko in exchange for Gadz, rather than just Conley for Sessions/Alexander, I'll forgive the delay. Otherwise, waiting until after the vote results are in for the Dunk Contest seems slightly unwise.

[europa]

I wasn't kidding when I said I heard things to indicate that some details are still being ironed out, and they are dependent on whether or not Alexander gets voted in to the dunk contest.

From which side, though? The Bucks or the Grizzlies? I can see in theory the Bucks not wanting to part with Alexander's potential marketability if he's in the dunk contest. But given how Kohl gave the OK to trade Yi and his global interests and to trade a fan favorite in Mo I can't see why he'd be reluctant to part with a player who at this time isn't anywhere near as good as either one of them. And I can't see why the Grizzlies would be concerned about this if the report is true that they were the one who first broached the Bucks about the deal.

Can you shed some light on this? Is it possible the delay is coming because the Bucks are trying to get more out of the deal (i.e. including Gadz and Darko, for example)?

[raferfenix]

So if it's an either or scenario, would people prefer receiving the Lakers first round pick or being able to swap Gadz for Darko?

Darko would be a big upgrade over Gadz, but his attitude is terrible and he very well might despise playing for Skiles. He would have an opportunity to earn some big minutes on a solid team though, so maybe he could have a resurgence of sorts (all he'd need to do is play consistently mediocre). We desperately need help up front though, and a Darko/Bogut tandem could be real good defensively.

The year less of salary could be important though, as GAD always reminds us that we can allocate that money to a different player.

[trwi7]

Nevermind, I read Marko Jaric's deal instead. They need to seperate Marko from Darko on shamsports. It's confusing to people like me who don't know the difference between an "M" and a "D."

[europa]

So if it's an either or scenario, would people prefer receiving the Lakers first round pick or being able to swap Gadz for Darko?

I'd take Darko and the ability to remove Gadz's contract from the books. Darko would be a huge upgrade over Gadz and I think his defensive ability would be a nice fit alongside Bogut. Plus, I'm not sure the Bucks would get a player as good as Darko anyway with the Lakers' pick in next year's draft.

But I'm totally guessing on whether this is even part of the discussions. So far, there's nothing to indicate that's the case. But if they are still "negotiating" as the Memphis report indicates, then there's something going on beyond the parameters of the deal that reportedly is in place - Conley/future 1st for Sessions/Alexander.

And if that something is what GAD is describing (Alexander and the Dunk Contest), I'm curious to know what that really is all about.

[europa]

Can somebody tell me why a Gadz for Darko swap would make this a better deal? Both players suck, both have the same number of years left on their deals, but Darko makes slightly more money.

That's not really an incentive to me.

Darko has one year left on his deal. Gadz has two. Plus, I think Darko is a much more talented player. He's a legitimate defender, something Gadz isn't. I think his addition would be a huge talent upgrade since he can not only back up Bogut but play alongside him at PF as well, something Gadz can't do.