trade with portland

[jowglenn]

Hey everybody. I haven't posted in quite some time, but I've been thinking.

Check out this idea on the trade board

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=870792

In essence, the deal is

Dunleavy
Ford
Foster
Graham

for

Lafrentz's expiring contract
Outlaw
Webster
Rodriguez
Frye
Portland's pick.


Pacers save a ton of money and get younger. Fact is, in the NBA, it's good to buy low and sell high. the pacers are rebuilding. We bought dunleavy and ford low, and now can sell them 'high'


With Jack and Daniels playing they way they have, I think the pacers could afford to lose ford and dunleavy, tank the season a bit, havea high draft pick (plus portland's pick.. like 26 or something) and tons of financial flexibility. And the new era could truly, truly start.

[Boneman2]

I don't know if getting rid of Dunleavy is the answer for the Pacers. I would prefer to build around Granger and Dunleavy because what they offer as a tandem would work really well with a big brute in the middle. Mike's salary has been elevated from the 'dump pile, he is actually exceeding his requirements.

We need an interior presence, and this trade doesn't address that. The first rounder might be less valuable than an early second.

[JarrettJackSG]

Why would we trade for two more threes?

[Gremz]

Eh, i guess the value is there. Main problem would be forcing Webster and Outlaw to play lengthy minutes out of position.

I'm not sure about the Portland POV, i guess it would depend on whether or not they see Ford and Mike as the pieces they need. You could always remove their pick and send Bayless back instead

[laydo]

I don't think that tading Dunleavy Jr. for couple of young players would help the Pacers, now.

As you can see, we've got Roy Hibbert, Josh McRoberts, and Brandon Rush alreadly. Each of them has the potential to become a really good player in the future. All they need is learn from the veterans and get more experience. It takes time for players who just being trade to the new team, especially for the young guys.

Also, I wouldn't think of trading Foster away because he just got the extension contract last summer and he is now the best defensive guy in the paint. It's crazy to deal him away since the Pacers are one of the worst defense team in the league.

The following is a proposal I think could help the Pacers better if it works:


http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=4926206

Indiana Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players
Wally Szczerbiak
Marcus Camby
Outgoing Players
Troy Murphy
Mike Dunleavy

Cleveland Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players
Troy Murphy
Outgoing Players
Wally Szczerbiak
J.J. Hickson

L.A. Clippers Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players
Mike Dunleavy
J.J. Hickson
Outgoing Players
Marcus Camby

The Pacers get Camby who can play defense in the paint and Szczerbiak's expiring contract.

The Cavs get Murphy who can score and rebound.

The Clippers get Dunleavy Jr. the son of their head coach, and Hickson, a nice young guy.

[Gremz]

I don't think that tading Dunleavy Jr. for couple of young players would help the Pacers, now.

As you can see, we've got Roy Hibbert, Josh McRoberts, and Brandon Rush alreadly. Each of them has the potential to become a really good player in the future. All they need is learn from the veterans and get more experience. It takes time for players who just being trade to the new team, especially for the young guys.

Also, I wouldn't think of trading Foster away because he just got the extension contract last summer and he is now the best defensive guy in the paint. It's crazy to deal him away since the Pacers are one of the worst defense team in the league.

The following is a proposal I think could help the Pacers better if it works:


http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=4926206

Indiana Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players
Wally Szczerbiak
Marcus Camby
Outgoing Players
Troy Murphy
Mike Dunleavy

Cleveland Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players
Troy Murphy
Outgoing Players
Wally Szczerbiak
J.J. Hickson

L.A. Clippers Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players
Mike Dunleavy
J.J. Hickson
Outgoing Players
Marcus Camby

The Pacers get Camby who can play defense in the paint and Szczerbiak's expiring contract.

The Cavs get Murphy who can score and rebound.

The Clippers get Dunleavy Jr. the son of their head coach, and Hickson, a nice young guy.

I doubt Cleveland have any interest in adding Murphy's deal to their books, they'd much rather go after Camby themselves IMO. The deal would also leave us with four Centers and no true PF. Although Foster can log minutes there where needed, it leaves us awfully thin.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

I would do it. The Pacers could potentially sign Boozer or Millsap with the money we save on this trade. To go along with that, we get younger and another pick. To top it all off, we get much better defensively. This trade is great for us, and I like it for Portland too.

Hibbert/Rasho
Murphy/McRoberts
Granger/Outlaw
Webster/Daniels
Jack/Rodriguez

[JarrettJackSG]

I would do it. The Pacers could potentially sign Boozer or Millsap with the money we save on this trade. To go along with that, we get younger and another pick. To top it all off, we get much better defensively. This trade is great for us, and I like it for Portland too.

Hibbert/Rasho
Murphy/McRoberts
Granger/Outlaw
Webster/Daniels
Jack/Rodriguez

Webster can't play the 2 guard, we lose the most talent in the deal, we gain 2 more wings, a poor mans CV4 with no 3pt range or a very very poor man's LMA, and Rodriguez will be starting over Jack.

We can't sign any good FA"s imo. We don't have the talent or the draw necessary. How many NBA stars are from Indy? =/

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

I would do it. The Pacers could potentially sign Boozer or Millsap with the money we save on this trade. To go along with that, we get younger and another pick. To top it all off, we get much better defensively. This trade is great for us, and I like it for Portland too.

Hibbert/Rasho
Murphy/McRoberts
Granger/Outlaw
Webster/Daniels
Jack/Rodriguez

Webster can't play the 2 guard, we lose the most talent in the deal, we gain 2 more wings, a poor mans CV4 with no 3pt range or a very very poor man's LMA, and Rodriguez will be starting over Jack.

We can't sign any good FA"s imo. We don't have the talent or the draw necessary. How many NBA stars are from Indy? =/

Webster can hit the 3 and defend the position, he'll do. We lose the most talent, but we set ourselves up for a better future than we'd have right now going forward. In terms of FA's, most teams have prepared for the LeBron sweepstakes, we would have more money than most teams this offseason if we do this trade, there is a chance we could get a guy like Millsap away from Utah if they keep Boozer. In terms of not having the talent to lure people, I think most players would recognize a good opportunity to play along side Granger with Hibbert, Rush, and 2 more 1st round picks on the way.

[Boneman2]

I agree with JJ.

I don't believe the franchise has ever pursued, let alone landed, a top level f/a. I can't even remember the last f/a we added that made a positive impact for us. It has always been this way. Usually if we have talent (Dunleavy/Ford), we don't trade it away for mediocre prospects, and cap-space.

I like our team the way it is, and believe we need to add a piece here and there. That's not to say our roster is set in stone, every player is expendable ( except Granger) if the right deal came along.

[MillerTime101]

Im not sold Jarret Jack is a starting PG and we dont really have a need for Outlaw and Webster, pass.