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Cavaliers at the deadline 

Post#1 » by heathmalc » Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:55 pm

Well, it's that time of year...finally.

Thing is... I'm wondering what the Cavaliers' brain trust has planned. There are a few different things the Cavs can do to round out the roster for the stretch run. They have three options:

1. Stand Pat with the current line-up
2. Make a trade before the deadline
3. Sign a player(s) that is still a free-agent.

Most fans think that the Cavs will go with either option one, or with option two.

Option one does make some sense. The Cavaliers have the best record in the league at 30-6, the have the league's top defense in ppg, defensive efficiency, and opponent's fg%. They also lead the league in offensive efficiency - something that has only been done one other time (95-96 Bulls) - and they also lead the league in margin of victory. All of this despite starting center Zydrunas Ilgauskas being out with a fracture in his ankle, and Daniel Gibson missing a few games with sore toe.

The money that can be saved by the Cavaliers, by letting Wally Szczerbiak expire, and not trading Eric Snow, is nothing to sneeze at. If the Cavaliers were to let those two contracts stay with the team, their payroll next year would be around 72 million (Not including the likely re-signing of Varejao...so we'd add between 3-5 million for that, assuming his salary starts between 8-10 million).

On the other hand...

If the Cavaliers don't make a play for someone now, there is a decent chance that they wont be able to next year. From all appearances, it looks like the Cavs plan on Keeping Ben Wallace until his contract expires. Assuming that they do, then that would mean that the Cavaliers would only have Sasha Pavlovic to trade over the summer (I don't expect him to make the team if he isn't traded). Besides Sasha, the Cavaliers would have the MLE and the bi-annual exception (assuming it isn't used before the end of the year). That is enough to sign someone like Roger Mason to a free-agent contract, to replace Wally, but not enough to get much help for the front-court. And if Anderson were to pull a "Boozer," then there could be some real trouble in C-Town

However, if we can think of these things, I cannot imagine that Ferry and Grant and Gilbert aren't thinking of the exact same things, and more.

Keeping that in mind, and looking at players that may be available, or who have been rumored to be available, I think that the Cavaliers will make a trade before the deadline. I'm not entirely convinced that we are going to trade Wally though. I think that he is the preferred trading-chip, but I don't think that Eric's contract has been taken off the table either. I think that the only way Wally gets traded is if the player we are trading for has a salary of more than 9.6 million, or if we trade him for more than one player...or a three-way. Unlike the last two years, I don't think the Cavaliers are real interested in anything that OKC has, except what they cannot send us (JSmith); so I don't think we'll be dealing with OKC unless it's a three-way, and the player(s) from the thunder are going to a team other than ours. Mason and Wilcox are possibilities, however they are both really unlikely. Wilcox doesn't play defense, and Mason is another version of Sasha. Collison isn't even a possibility, as he is a bad locker-room person, and I would be extremely surprised if Ferry traded for him...although he could be had really cheap.

I'm thinking that if the Cavaliers do make a deal, that it will most likely be a three-way trade, and that one of the teams involved will likely be Golden State. The Warriors really want to dump Corey Maggette, and there are 3 or 4 teams out there that have reportedly shown interest. Of those teams, the two that are seen in the rumors-section of web-sites the most, are Toronto and Dallas.

The problem with both of those teams is that they don't have a player that can match salaries, that is expiring. They have other players they can add to the deal to make it work, but then things start getting complicated because that means that they have to give up an extra player, which ultimately makes them short again. In the case of Toronto, Bryan Colangelo had started listening to offers for Andrea Bargnani, but since he has been back, he has been playing at a really high level. In addition to that, Toronto may be slipping again, which would render a deadline trade useless.

Which leaves the team that I think is the most probable trading partner: The Dallas Mavericks. Dallas has been enamored with Corey Maggette since Rick Carlisle became coach. Carlisle first tried to trade for Corey while the coach of Indiana, in 2004, then tried again in 2005. I guess it was just a matter of time before his newest team decided they wanted him, once it was known he was available.

The Cavaliers' place in all of this would be to give the Warriors the expiring contract they are looking for (Snow), and to take Howard from Dallas, while the Warriors would send Maggette to Dallas. There would have to be another player sent from Cleveland to either the Warriors or Mavericks, to make the money work, but the basics of the trade work out very well. Dallas already offered Howard to the GSW for Maggette, but they supposedly declined because they don't want any contracts that go beyond this season. If that was the case, then the Cavaliers would be a perfect trading partner. As I said earlier, they'd have to include another player (either Kinsey or Wright ... the other 2 don't make enough).

Something like this would work:

Cleveland Cavaliers

Incoming Players

Josh Howard
Salary: $9,945,000 Years Remaining: 2


Outgoing Players: Eric Snow, Tarence Kinsey

Dallas Mavericks

Incoming Players

Tarence Kinsey
Salary: $797,581 Years Remaining: 2
Corey Maggette
Salary: $8,275,862 Years Remaining: 5


Outgoing Players: Josh Howard

Golden State Warriors

Incoming Players

Eric Snow
Salary: $7,312,500 Years Remaining: 1

Outgoing Players: Corey Maggette


Whether or not this exact deal is done, I have no clue. However, I do think that this will be the kind of deal that the Cavaliers make, if they make one...which I believe they will.

For the Cavaliers - Well, you all know how it helps the Cavs.

For Dallas, they replace Howard with a comparable talent, and one that their coach likes. They also save some money in the short-term, and gain an extra shooter (Kinsey), which they need badly.

For the Warriors, they save money immediately and in the long-term, which according to the papers in the Bay-area, is exactly what they want to do.
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Re: Cavaliers at the deadline 

Post#2 » by bcortell » Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:47 pm

.. Skipped everything you wrote.. went straight to the trade. Dallas says no easily.

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Re: Cavaliers at the deadline 

Post#3 » by heathmalc » Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:30 pm

bcortell wrote:.. Skipped everything you wrote.. went straight to the trade. Dallas says no easily.

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They do?????

Guess we'll just start asking you, in your infinite wisdom what Dallas will & will not do.

Out of curiosity, why would they say no? They already tried to trade Howard straight-up for Maggette... so unless you know something that everyone else doesn't know, keep your ignorant comments to yourself.
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Re: Cavaliers at the deadline 

Post#4 » by CzBoobie » Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:57 pm

I follow NBA very closely and I haven't seen anything about the Howard for Maggette swap. Or is it once again some sort of knowledge that cannot be found anywhere on the internet?
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Post#5 » by eyejayem » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:32 pm

Actually I remember that rumor but I thought that was early in the season when Josh was getting bad press and Corey wasn't such a bad signing yet. I think that this is very possible and even for a 2nd rd pick. The only issue would be if teams would be so mad that Cavs get another piece for practically nothing. I can see GS wanting more but not getting anything out of it because no one will take Maggette. I can see Dalla wanting more and I would be willing to throw in our 2nd or cash but nothing more.
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Re: Cavaliers at the deadline 

Post#6 » by CzBoobie » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:43 pm

I only found this on hoopsworld from December:

Corey Maggette, despite having just signed for $10 million a year over the next five seasons, is likely going to be put out there for sniffs. He did recently injure himself a bit, but that shouldn't distract his tradeability too badly. One rumor that's been floating for some time is the idea of Maggette for Dallas's Josh Howard. I have no idea how much truth there is to this, but that would be a fun one to see go through.


It really doesn't look like Dallas "trying to trade Howard straight up for Maggette"...or maybe in heath's world it does, I wouldn't be surprised.
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Re: Cavaliers at the deadline 

Post#7 » by LeQuitterNotMVP » Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:57 pm

I would think the Warriors would want a little more for Maggette, and the Mavericks would decline. We would have to add in quite a lot to make it fair.

As for what we should do... if there are any FAs out there whom we're interested in, I don't see why we wouldn't pick them up.

As for trades... I think Wally is valued higher than an expiring contract, so that will make it difficult to trade him, which leaves Snow. Snow and Pavlovic could make a nice package for someone, yet I'm not sure who. Also depends if we want to commit all that money.
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Post#8 » by RevMan26 » Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:42 pm

Josh Howard would be a hell of a pick up. Get it done Ferry!!
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Post#9 » by Rise Against » Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:43 pm

Why in the world would Dallas trade Howard for Maggette?
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Re: Cavaliers at the deadline 

Post#10 » by Niko23 » Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:46 pm

put me down for what bcortell said
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Re: Cavaliers at the deadline 

Post#11 » by SportsInfoBar » Fri Jan 16, 2009 1:02 am

Why would we want a pot smoking jump shooter to ruin our team chemistry?

I don't want anything to do with Howard, I just don't think he "cares' enough about winning. And that is not something I want around my team.

The Mavs are my favorite west conf team, and I have seen enough of Howard to know he just wouldn't fit in with this team. He is not a good all around player. He gets his points when he plays because the Mavs don't have much talent on their team. Dirk, Terry, Howard...who else would you want shooting the ball on that team? He gets his numbers by default.
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Re: Cavaliers at the deadline 

Post#12 » by RIPskaterdude » Fri Jan 16, 2009 5:48 am

With West out, I'm thinking Salmons would be a great replacement SG for the Cavs, IMO.
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Post#13 » by Benedict_Boozer » Fri Jan 16, 2009 6:15 am

xx_skaterdude_xx wrote:With West out, I'm thinking Salmons would be a great replacement SG for the Cavs, IMO.


Agreed. I could see something happening with Salmons /Miller, depending on what the Kings were looking for.
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Re: Cavaliers at the deadline 

Post#14 » by heathmalc » Fri Jan 16, 2009 6:29 am

xx_skaterdude_xx wrote:With West out, I'm thinking Salmons would be a great replacement SG for the Cavs, IMO.


Yeah, this was my biggest fear... that Delonte or Mo would go down.

We have back-ups everywhere except SG. I mean... we "have" a back-up, technically. But is there anyone here that honestly wants Sasha or Wally as our starting SG in game 7 of the NBA finals????

Salmons is one option...perhaps in a package with Brad Miller.

Mike Miller is an option.

Other than those two... Michael Redd, Vince Carter, Josh Howard... those would be the 2nd tier we would look at.

I was convinced before that Gerald Wallace was an ideal fit...but I'm not so sure about that anymore. His jump-shot percentages remind me of Hughes, and his handle isn't very good either. Then there is talk about him taking plays off.

Regardless of which player(s) we eventually get, I believe any of them would be an improvement over what we have. So although they all have their bad sides, I would be willing to accept those faults as opposed to just keeping Wally & Sasha as our #2 SG's.

I am on-board with any of them, as I think all of them are a huge improvement over what we have.
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Post#15 » by Mr2400 » Fri Jan 16, 2009 6:49 am

Salmons and miller would be absolutely perfect right now. fills some injury void, and when the injured guys get back we'll be even better.
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Re: Cavaliers at the deadline 

Post#16 » by RIPskaterdude » Fri Jan 16, 2009 7:10 am

The problem is, I don't see the Kings trading Salmons AND Miller in the same trade, unless it's a 3 team trade. In able to get both of those players, the Cavs would have to give up JJ/1st/Wally, and even then, I'm not sure either side would pull the trigger (Not enough reason for the Kings to give up both players and that's too much youth/future for the Cavs to give up).

Salmons' value = 1st (15-20)/expirings OR late 1st (Cavs would qualify)/B prospect/expiring in 09 or 10. I would expect the Kings to ask for a similiar package that they got for Artest (late 1st/B prospect/expiring).

Miller's value = late 1st (20+)/expiring OR good expiring player that would start immediately on the Kings (Marion would qualify, but Wally would not).

For Miller, as a Kings fan, I would be happy to get Wally + 1st, but I think Salmons has more value than a late 1st (Cavs will definately have 25+) and an expiring, IMO. The Kings want to move Miller to give more playing time to Hawes/Thompson, but have no real reason to move Salmons unless they get a deal that is in their favor. Salmons is playing great, is barely making over the MLE, and is still in his prime.
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Post#17 » by tigrao » Fri Jan 16, 2009 7:51 am

One option you didn't mention is taking on Kenny's contract. I don't know how deep Gilbert's pockets are but what is it worth to keep Lebron happy. Salmons , Miller, and Kenny for Wally, Snow and a 1st. I would do this as a fan but I doubt Gilbert would.
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Re: Cavaliers at the deadline 

Post#18 » by RIPskaterdude » Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:25 am

I would only consider that if the Kings were interested in picking up a player in the 09 offseason. I would much rather trade Miller and Salmons seperately and try to get as many prospects/draft picks, if any, as possible.
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Post#19 » by ModIn » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:21 pm

heathmalc wrote:
bcortell wrote:.. Skipped everything you wrote.. went straight to the trade. Dallas says no easily.

/thread


They do?????

Guess we'll just start asking you, in your infinite wisdom what Dallas will & will not do.

Out of curiosity, why would they say no? They already tried to trade Howard straight-up for Maggette... so unless you know something that everyone else doesn't know, keep your ignorant comments to yourself.


Im a Dallas Mavs fan and a frequent reader of Realgm.
You just made me post my first reply. congratulations :).
You are simply the biggest homer ive ever seen , lol.
Why would the Mavs honestly trade Howard for Magette?.
Howard is the better player with a much better contract.
The funniest part of your trade is that cleveland is able to snag Howard by only giving up Snow and spare parts?.
Thats friggin ridiculous.
Come on man get real. If , and Im pretty sure that Dallas does not want Maggette, they want to land Magette, Dallas can just offer Stackhouse and Fillers for him. That would be a much better deal for GSW and for Dallas. So please stop dreaming of getting quality players for your expiring trash.
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Re: Cavaliers at the deadline 

Post#20 » by heathmalc » Fri Jan 16, 2009 10:43 pm

ModIn wrote:
Im a Dallas Mavs fan and a frequent reader of Realgm.
You just made me post my first reply. congratulations :).
You are simply the biggest homer ive ever seen , lol.
Why would the Mavs honestly trade Howard for Magette?.
Howard is the better player with a much better contract.
The funniest part of your trade is that cleveland is able to snag Howard by only giving up Snow and spare parts?.
Thats friggin ridiculous.
Come on man get real. If , and Im pretty sure that Dallas does not want Maggette, they want to land Magette, Dallas can just offer Stackhouse and Fillers for him. That would be a much better deal for GSW and for Dallas. So please stop dreaming of getting quality players for your expiring trash.


Because if GSW wanted to deal with a contract (Stackhouse's 2 million buyout), then they'd do better just waiting for the offseason, and trading Corey then. The whole purpose of Snow is that Golden State would save a lot of money. And they would get 5.6 million from the insurance company. With Stack... they not only have to pay him for the rest of the year, but they also have to pay for his buyout.

Maybe you should stick to reading. :lol:
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