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Re: SIC RANTS #3 

Post#41 » by vincecarter4pres » Tue Jan 6, 2009 8:15 pm

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Re: SIC RANTS #3 

Post#42 » by S.I.C. GM » Tue Jan 6, 2009 8:27 pm

lurkingobeiscity wrote: Okay, this is getting ridiculous. You can't blame Frank for every little thing that happens no matter how much you want to. You do that and it ruins every accurate point you make.


This is only the beginning. The board is lucky I have held back. This should have been my 10th or 15th Rant.

I have been saying since the beginning of the season that Yi should be given more mid-post opportunities, so I agree with you that he has been held back somewhat by the coaching staff. Yi however needs to level off his confidence. If he hits a couple shots then he will keep shooting until he misses. If he misses a couple then he won't shoot for a long time.


His confidence will never get better if FRANK is in the huddle saying - the dribble drive is the game plan everything else is $hit. The guy in training camp told his NEW Low Post Offensive Player - You will be working away from the basket. LOL

Lopez is being given the ball more and more, but it is very obvious that he cannot be depended on as the teams top option at this point. He is having a lot of problems with defenses that are focusing on him, bringing the double once he puts the ball down. He is playing too slow and mechanical in the post. The coaching staff is undoubtedly working on this with him but force-feeding him the ball in the post is not the solution, as that would only increase his turnovers and lower his already dropping FG%. He needs more time before we can run the offense through him.


Lopez is getting the ball in the wrong places at the wrong time. Each of the Wade blocks were on F'N Pick and Rolls that were at the end of the shot clock.

The plays designed for both Lopez and Yi have steadily increased lately, and they both have improved leaps and bounds defensively.


Beside this last game, when could you actually say - Wow!!! FRANK is going to Yi. The game when VC got ejected Harris was going to Lopez in the post. Since that game, when was the last time in a game in the beginning of the shot clock, A play for Lopez to post up and was given the ball.

I love CDR, but he has been unimpressive and every bit as timid as Yi offensively, so I don't understand how people can be clamoring for him.


Please!!! When has CDR played. Playing him at PG in garbage minutes doesnt count.

As much as some people don't want to admit it, Frank has actually done an excellent job the last 4 games or so, and he hasn't been nearly as bad as people have said over the whole year. Honestly no one should have expected us to be where we are right now. You have to give Frank credit for our 17/18 record (which yes I think is overachieving), Lopez's improvement, Devin's breakout year, improved substitution patters (though could still be a bit better), and other things that are probably slipping my mind. I've pointed out the guys problems before, but he has done some excellent things. Stop blindly blaming him for every problem the team has.


I will not give Frank credit for $hit. He is making the same mistakes he has made since after his 14 game win streak. The only excuse is he has a younger group of players. In the 4 games you speak of:

He has lost leads
He has had bad substituion patterns
He was ejected and we won
He still doesnt know how to use the players he has
He is still stubborn

You list;
Nets Record - Even though we werent expecting it, We should have a better record.
Lopez Improvement - He should be used more
Harris' breakout year - Yeah but not at the cost of effecting Lopez' and Yi's development
Substitution patterns - SUCK

Sorry Lurk, but FRANK sucks. IMO only reason Frank still here is Thorn believes in the old F'ed Up Wife saying - Cheaper to Keeper Her!!!!
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Re: SIC RANTS #3 

Post#43 » by S.I.C. GM » Tue Jan 6, 2009 8:39 pm

G_MoNeY wrote:Wait a sec...What SIC is trying to say is Lopez should get more touches to create offense for others. Not force feed him the ball to shoot it. The more touches he gets, the more likely it'll require a double team or someone coming down from the wing. That leaves shooters open and creates better shots for us. I don't think he should get the ball on "every" possession; but he should definitely get the ball more. At times we play too one-dimensional, I think that's what SIC is trying to get at.


Lopez is a rookie so I have exaggerated on him touching it every possession but eventually it is going to happen. As much as it seems that the NBA is moving towards Scoring PG lead teams, You still need a Big Man anchoring the post.

CP3 has west
D. Williams has Boozer
Tony Parker has Duncan
Harris needs lopez to be close to dominant.

Correct G Money. Everyones game will improve when Lopez demands a double. Imagine Harris, VC and Lopez demanding doubles. SIMMONS would be invited to the 3pt competion in All STAR weekend.

As far as Frank goes, I'm the biggest hater. Well SIC and I, probably. However, Frank got ejected the other game and look how the Nets came out in the 2nd half for Brian Hill. You can't give credit to Frank on that game, to me personally it seemed like the team rallied behind Hill - especially on the last second shot to win the game and how everyone went to Hill and celebrated WITH him. You don't see that with Frank, EVER. He insists on playing Najera over Anderson. CDR is glued to the bench as well. All of the minutes Harris and VC are logging will eventually come back to bite us. His substitution patterns are still AWFUL. Two consecutive possessions last game we got 1 of 2 free throws by Boone, while Sacramento scored at least 5 points on them. Idiotic coaching moves like that can cost the team some games, as evident in previous games/seasons where Frank looked lost. Frank and "excellent" shouldn't be in the same sentence.


I dont know about playing for Hill because if Frank gets fired Hill should go too. But maybe it was a different voice. There was a clip during a time out last night where Frank was showing the next play - No one was paying attention. the 5 players were looing away. Like they didnt care what he had to say. I may be exaggerating but that is what came to mind.

I was yelling at the top of my lungs about the Boone situation. How many FT was he going to let Boone miss. What the F was that all about?
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Re: SIC RANTS (Merged) 

Post#44 » by Rich Rane » Tue Jan 6, 2009 8:53 pm

These have caught fire lately. Kind of like Peter Griffin's "You Know What Really Grinds My Gears?" Segments.
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Re: SIC RANTS (Merged) 

Post#45 » by S.I.C. GM » Wed Jan 7, 2009 7:41 pm

"It would be nice to give Chris an opportunity to see if he can play the point," Keyon Dooling said, referring to CDR. "I believe he can. I think he's skilled enough, I think he has a high enough basketball IQ. If we don't bring another one in, we have to try to get him some experience, because it's a lot different between pracatice and the games."


http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2009/0 ... lease.html

F'en FRANK.

DOOLING for PLAYER COACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: SIC RANTS #4 

Post#46 » by S.I.C. GM » Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:48 pm

FRANK IS an IDIOT. FINALLY WHAT WE WANTED NOW THAT KIDD and RJ ARE GONE -

A HALF COURT TEAM.

This team is finally become what we wanted for years -

Low Post Scorer
Many Shooters - 2-3 lights out 3 pt shooters.

Then you add:
A Very Good Quick Young PG that can finish on the break
A very Good SG even though he is on his way out
A young Offensive PF that can rebound.
Like I said before, A young C that plays good D and can score in the Post
A very deep BENCH

WHY DOESNT FRANK SEE THIS?
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Re: SIC RANTS (Merged) 

Post#47 » by Rich Rane » Sat Jan 10, 2009 5:27 pm

S.I.C. GM wrote:
"It would be nice to give Chris an opportunity to see if he can play the point," Keyon Dooling said, referring to CDR. "I believe he can. I think he's skilled enough, I think he has a high enough basketball IQ. If we don't bring another one in, we have to try to get him some experience, because it's a lot different between pracatice and the games."


http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2009/0 ... lease.html

F'en FRANK.

DOOLING for PLAYER COACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I don't know man. CDR at the 2 is a stretch for me without long enough range, let alone the point since his decision making with the ball isn't quite the best (This is from college, not his days here). I'm not at the practices like Dooling is, but I still think his best position is the three with his ball handling and the ability to create his own shots. I still think he could be a great slasher at the three.
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Re: SIC RANTS (Merged) 

Post#48 » by S.I.C. GM » Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:14 pm

^ I agree.

I just think Dooling is trying to say the kid needs to play more. That FRANK is an IDIOT. IN a nice way.
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Re: SIC RANTS #4 

Post#49 » by S.I.C. GM » Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:15 pm

S.I.C. GM wrote:FRANK IS an IDIOT. FINALLY WHAT WE WANTED NOW THAT KIDD and RJ ARE GONE -

A HALF COURT TEAM.

This team is finally become what we wanted for years -

Low Post Scorer
Many Shooters - 2-3 lights out 3 pt shooters.

Then you add:
A Very Good Quick Young PG that can finish on the break
A very Good SG even though he is on his way out
A young Offensive PF that can rebound.
Like I said before, A young C that plays good D and can score in the Post
A very deep BENCH

WHY DOESNT FRANK SEE THIS?



I WANTED TO ADD THIS

FRANK needs to WAKE THE **** UP. This team got eliminated TWICE in the FINALS because WE DIDNT HAVE A HALF COURT GAME. We got beat by DUNCAN and SHAQ. Now we have a CENTER that can SCORE in the post.
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Re: SIC RANTS (Merged) 

Post#50 » by jerseyjac » Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:21 pm

S.I.C. GM wrote:
"It would be nice to give Chris an opportunity to see if he can play the point," Keyon Dooling said, referring to CDR. "I believe he can. I think he's skilled enough, I think he has a high enough basketball IQ. If we don't bring another one in, we have to try to get him some experience, because it's a lot different between pracatice and the games."


http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2009/0 ... lease.html

F'en FRANK.

DOOLING for PLAYER COACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


well hopefully CDR gets more time w. Yi down...Ryan's time definitely go up...
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Re: SIC RANTS - #5 

Post#51 » by S.I.C. GM » Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:03 pm

Ok!!!

I will be the first to say it.

WoW!!!!! I didnt expect us to be 19-21 this year. I would have preferred lottery.

Now with that said. If we continue to play .500 we may be in the playoffs.

SO WHEN DO WE STOP SAYING WE I JUST SAID. When do stop using this as an excuse for Frank's stupid coaching. When do we stop and realize Our team is better then what we thought and Frank needs to start doing a better job.

Out of our 21 loses, how many could we have won if Frank did F it up?
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Re: SIC RANTS - #5 

Post#52 » by vincecarter4pres » Fri Jan 16, 2009 7:42 pm

S.I.C. GM wrote:Ok!!!

I will be the first to say it.

WoW!!!!! I didnt expect us to be 19-21 this year. I would have preferred lottery.

Now with that said. If we continue to play .500 we may be in the playoffs.

SO WHEN DO WE STOP SAYING WE I JUST SAID. When do stop using this as an excuse for Frank's stupid coaching. When do we stop and realize Our team is better then what we thought and Frank needs to start doing a better job.

Out of our 21 loses, how many could we have won if Frank did F it up?


Anyone watching the game last night with about 30 seconds left hear someone obnoxiously yelling "Frank you suck! Fire Frank! You got outcoached again Opie! Go back to Indianna Opie! Fire Frank!"?

It was dead silent at the moment, figured somone had to hear that on TV? :)
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Re: SIC RANTS (Merged) 

Post#53 » by jerseyjac » Sat Jan 17, 2009 3:26 pm

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Samuel wrote:With Yi(since he was playing so well) out and Harris still day to day Carter has to average 28,7,7 and Brook Average atleast 15 and 8+ for us to have chance..BTW,as much as I like Harris we are a much better team when we run through Carter,Harris should get his touches but Carter is the better creator on the floor,he would make Harris an even better player on the floor.And though Carter took good shots and didn't force anything,he has to take at least 20 shots for a while now.


Sorry Samuel I dont care about VC at this point. What ever he does he does.

I WANT ANDERSON, CDR and LOPEZ to get more PT and more touches.

As far as VC and Harris creator or non-creator, IF we had a REAL COACH, HE would MAKE SURE HARRIS works on this PG DUTIES. HARRIS CAN PASS THE BALL. THE GAME where VC got ejected. HARRIS PASSED THE BALL TO LOPEZ IN THE POST.

This idea that VC is a great passer doesnt HELP our FUTURE. FRANK needs to make HARRIS understand that he is the PG. FRANK needs to WAKE THE **** UP. This team got eliminated TWICE in the FINALS because WE DIDNT HAVE A HALF COURT GAME. We got beat by DUNCAN and SHAQ. Now we have a CENTER that can SCORE in the post.


SIC, as much as you make valid points about our future and how we can move in that direction...you have to understand there is going to be balance of playing to win now and brining along the young guys...I agree with you, certain guys should be getting more time and touches, ect...but you have to give into our strategy now...as much as you would like to see us just playing ball for the future, the coaching staff will put together offense sets for our go to guys and to play accordingly from there...I definitely think someone needs to remind our leaders on the floor to dump the ball into the Lopez more...and the fact that we should be trying to improve our half court game now...

but it seems like your asking for all or none...at the very most, the coaching staff needs to mix up the offense more or incorporate Lopez into our offense to bring along our half court game...
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Post#54 » by jerseyjac » Sat Jan 17, 2009 3:38 pm

my above comments were made a week ago after the Bucks game...

Yi is down...we've seen how this team has responded in recent games...and regardless of more touches maybe, look at what Brook has done...VC maybe slowed by some nicks and bruises seems a little less effective...

I feel now, we need to push the Brook envelope...so, I'm actually agreeing with you more...Brook should touch the ball on every off. possession...and I wouldnt mind seeing the offense being run more through the post than Devin and Vince...I think they're starting to fade and show some wear...Netsforce touched on this too...

Brook is showing the time is now...the question is whats Opie gonna do about it...I know everyone realizes the talents of Brook...Lopez has recently convinced me between his extended outside touch, where to be aggressive with his game, how to be aggressive around the basket with dunking the ball (taking advice from Shaq via text from his brother) to his help defense and literally pointing things out on the court to his teamates...

we have a gem of a center, that has a great comfort zone already, but who probably still needs to become more comfortable having the offense run through him...is this an easy transition for the coaching staff...probably not...but the time to incorporate Brook BIG TIME into our offense, is now...
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Re: SIC RANTS (Merged) 

Post#55 » by vincecarter4pres » Sat Jan 17, 2009 6:32 pm

Agreed.
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Re: SIC RANTS #6 

Post#56 » by S.I.C. GM » Thu Jan 29, 2009 2:19 pm

You guys know the deal but here is a New argument.

The last five games and many more before that The Nets get out scored in the 3rd Quarter. Most of the time we are in the lead at half time.

There is something wrong here.

Can FRANK motivate these guys to come out in the Third Quarter and play?

Or are we going to blame the Players for this too?
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Post#57 » by jerseyjac » Fri Jan 30, 2009 1:14 am

S.I.C. GM wrote:You guys know the deal but here is a New argument.

The last five games and many more before that The Nets get out scored in the 3rd Quarter. Most of the time we are in the lead at half time.

There is something wrong here.

Can FRANK motivate these guys to come out in the Third Quarter and play?

Or are we going to blame the Players for this too?

come on SIC...they even tried to shorten up second half warm ups...the Nets need to motivate themselves and realize there is a 3rd qtr to play and a second half...If we played 48min of Nets basketball, we'd be alright...

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