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Michael Crabtree.. 

Post#1 » by jhern87 » Wed Jan 7, 2009 10:07 pm

Man if he is available and the Seahawks pass on him I am going to be FURIOUS! Receivers like him only come around so often.
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Re: Michael Crabtree.. 

Post#2 » by HeavyP » Wed Jan 7, 2009 11:21 pm

Don't be surprised if he runs like Mike Williams from USC. Many draftniks were crazy about him, but after he ran a 4.6-4.7 40 people cooled on him. I don't know if Crabtree will be that slow, but I have a hard time believing he's much faster than a 4.5

All in all, it's hard to make predictions like this before the combine.
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Post#3 » by Bulltalk » Thu Jan 8, 2009 4:51 am

It depends. If we pick Colt McCoy (if he comes out), or Andre Smith, then no.
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Re: Michael Crabtree.. 

Post#4 » by HeavyP » Thu Jan 8, 2009 5:09 am

Todd McShay wrote:Colt McCoy of Texas has already announced that he intends to come back for his senior year,


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/c ... id=3805874

It is possible he changes his mind, however he says he's coming back. I also wouldn't want him in the first round. The only QB I'd take with the #4 pick is Stafford. Otherwise I'm okay with taking one in the 2nd round or next year or the year after.
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Post#5 » by Bulltalk » Thu Jan 8, 2009 5:30 am

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Todd McShay wrote:Colt McCoy of Texas has already announced that he intends to come back for his senior year,


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/c ... id=3805874

It is possible he changes his mind, however he says he's coming back. I also wouldn't want him in the first round. The only QB I'd take with the #4 pick is Stafford. Otherwise I'm okay with taking one in the 2nd round or next year or the year after.


NO! To Stafford. Bust written all over him (I'll probably be wrong :)).

Colt is the best of the bunch. That's so obvious to me at this point. Things change though. I don't think he'll come out, but if he gets a guarantee of going in the top 5, why not?
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Post#6 » by HeavyP » Thu Jan 8, 2009 6:16 am

My stance is you don't draft spread QB's early. Also Colt Mccoy is listed at 6'0 some places and 6'3 others. How tall he measures out will be very important.

Most scouts had Mccoy has a 4th or 5th round prospect. He has to add about 20 lbs, grow a few inches and start showing me that he can make NFL caliber throws and I'll buy into the hype. I'm intrigued by his athleticism but that doesn't mean he'd be an NFL QB.

That being said, if I had a heisman vote, I would have voted for Mccoy. However, he's not a legitimate NFL prospect.

I honestly was not impressed by Colt McCoy in the bowl game either. It's one of those games where the stat line is deceiving. He wasn't bad, but he wasn't great either.
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Post#7 » by Ex-hippie » Thu Jan 8, 2009 5:37 pm

It says here that McCoy is projected as a third-round pick.

I don't have a dog in this hunt. Like I said, I suck at evaluating QBs. Just passing along what I saw. BTW, the link is to a site I really like, discussing NFL draft and free agency issues. It's right up the alley of anyone who spends time on realgm.com.
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Post#8 » by HeavyP » Thu Jan 8, 2009 7:18 pm

Quite familiar with footballsfuture. However, the Seahawks board there is barely tolerable. I do like the General and NFL draft board, and I occasionally read the Mock Draft board.

I can buy that Colt is a 3rd round pick, I however have him going a little lower. Either way he's a day 2 draft pick.
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Post#9 » by Ex-hippie » Thu Jan 8, 2009 10:58 pm

Well, whether it's the third or the fifth round, at least we will likely be able to dispense with the idea of taking him at #4. Not gonna happen.

On the other hand, there is a lot of volatility in quarterbacks' draft status. I can't recall anyone rising from the second day into the top 5, but there is some precedent for highly accomplished college QBs, thought not to have the measurables, showing up better than expected in the combines and rising from, say, the second round into the top 5. Donovan McNabb, IIRC, was generally thought to be a borderline first- or second-rounder for a while but wound up at #2 overall.
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Post#10 » by HeavyP » Fri Jan 9, 2009 6:12 am

I really think that'll be Sanchez doing that rising. Also Josh Freeman will help himself out a lot at the combine.
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Post#11 » by Bulltalk » Fri Jan 9, 2009 6:22 am

HeavyP wrote:I really think that'll be Sanchez doing that rising. Also Josh Freeman will help himself out a lot at the combine.


I do like Sanchez a lot. He keeps getting better and better. And though I don't know his specs, he looks pretty big and brawny to me. I'd go for him. As a matter of fact, I like Sanchez and McCoy the most from what I've seen.
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Post#12 » by HeavyP » Fri Jan 9, 2009 6:47 am

He's about the same size as Stafford. Actually, most of the QB's are about the same size (other than Chase Daniel who is SHORT and Josh Freeman who might as well be Jamarcus Russell)
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Post#13 » by Ex-hippie » Fri Jan 9, 2009 7:28 pm

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HeavyP wrote:I really think that'll be Sanchez doing that rising. Also Josh Freeman will help himself out a lot at the combine.


I do like Sanchez a lot. He keeps getting better and better. And though I don't know his specs, he looks pretty big and brawny to me. I'd go for him. As a matter of fact, I like Sanchez and McCoy the most from what I've seen.


So, that's how it is. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

But any funny business that involves drawing a fake mustache on him is completely out of bounds, got it?
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Re: Michael Crabtree.. 

Post#14 » by Bulltalk » Fri Jan 9, 2009 9:03 pm

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Bulltalk wrote:
HeavyP wrote:I really think that'll be Sanchez doing that rising. Also Josh Freeman will help himself out a lot at the combine.


I do like Sanchez a lot. He keeps getting better and better. And though I don't know his specs, he looks pretty big and brawny to me. I'd go for him. As a matter of fact, I like Sanchez and McCoy the most from what I've seen.


So, that's how it is. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

But any funny business that involves drawing a fake mustache on him is completely out of bounds, got it?


LOL I just don't want another David Krieg-sized QB
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Re: Michael Crabtree.. 

Post#15 » by jhern87 » Mon Jan 19, 2009 7:15 pm

how did this forum turn into a QB discussion? haha..

That being said, if we had the 4th pick and drafter McCoy someone would be fired. He would be lucky to go in the first round and a half. IMHO, it's between Crabtree and Andre Smith from Bama..

We are so week at WR it's rediculous. Crabtree is going to go down as one of the best WR's in college football history and has all of the tools to be a star at the next level. Barring any sort of poor combine performances, he has got to be our guy. hasselbeck still has a few more quality years in this league and we need to give him som targets. We're just a few missing pieces away from being right back into the playoff picture.
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Post#16 » by sonic-ben » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:58 pm

HeavyP wrote:Don't be surprised if he runs like Mike Williams from USC. Many draftniks were crazy about him, but after he ran a 4.6-4.7 40 people cooled on him. I don't know if Crabtree will be that slow, but I have a hard time believing he's much faster than a 4.5

All in all, it's hard to make predictions like this before the combine.


Jerry rice time if I remember correctly was 4.6
as was Largents

important part of recieveing is running routes perfectly and catching the ball
speed .... is nice
moves after the catch ... is nice

but all frosting
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Re: Michael Crabtree.. 

Post#17 » by jhern87 » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:44 pm

sonic-ben wrote:
HeavyP wrote:Don't be surprised if he runs like Mike Williams from USC. Many draftniks were crazy about him, but after he ran a 4.6-4.7 40 people cooled on him. I don't know if Crabtree will be that slow, but I have a hard time believing he's much faster than a 4.5

All in all, it's hard to make predictions like this before the combine.


Jerry rice time if I remember correctly was 4.6
as was Largents

important part of recieveing is running routes perfectly and catching the ball
speed .... is nice
moves after the catch ... is nice

but all frosting


Exactly.. Hands and route running are just as important as speed (if not more important). Not to mention Crabtree's size.

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