From RubeChat: Miller to NJ?

[karch34]

Mike Miller, Larry Hughes among trade options New Jersey Nets are considering
by Dave D'Alessandro/The Star-Ledger
Wednesday January 21, 2009, 9:21 PM
Nam Y. Huh/Associated PressThe Chicago Bulls' Larry Hughes is a trade consideration for the Nets, but as a more of last resort.

NOTEBOOK

NEW ORLEANS -- The Nets have begun shopping around for an upgrade at small forward, but Larry Hughes -- a name they've discussed lately -- isn't someone they consider a particularly good option. He's more like a last resort.

The player the Nets have set their sights on (since the start of the week, anyway) is Mike Miller, who has been a washout since arriving in Minneapolis, according to an NBA general manager familiar with the discussions.

One snag, perhaps two: The Timberwolves are not in any rush to move the 28-year-old wing, even though Miller averages fewer than eight shots in 30 minutes per game, so they're playing hardball. Minnesota is asking for a young player and a draft pick in exchange, which the Nets are not willing to consider.

Miller makes $9.0 million this season and $9.7 million the next. The best offer the Nets can make is a deal involving a player with a one-year contract, such as Stromile Swift, just to help the Wolves get Miller -- their second-highest-paid player -- off the cap next season.

According to team officials, there is very little enthusiasm for Hughes, but the Nets might revisit the one-for-one exchange involving Bobby Simmons down the road if nothing better comes along. They believe that Hughes would help them win more games, but he will clog up $3 million more in cap space next year, and he is widely known around the league as a chemistry assassin.

http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2009/0 ... among.html

I like what we're trying to get in a trade. However, I'm not sure how likely both a young player and draft pick are.

Would you do Miller and Boston pick for Swift(exp), Ager(exp), and NJ 2009 1st?

NJ: Gets a player that could help them and only has to move down from middle of draft to the end to do it.

MN: Capspace to be a player in 2009 FA. Also moving the Boston pick for a mid-range 1st allows us to have more flexibility and a better option to move up for a player we like (NJ and Mia packaged together should allow us to move up aways).

Your thoughts?

[Winter Wonder]

I am guessing MN is looking to trade Miller for Swift, Boone, and the pick. Other pieces could be added like Ager that are smallish.

I was trying to find something quick before responding with sending out McCants, but he makes more than I thought. Any deal would probably have to include Hayes , Hassel, or someone coming back which takes value away from the trade for us with his contract ending in 2010 or later and our possibly looking at 2009 cap space. And we wouldn't be getting a young player by the name of Lopez or Yi.

Interesting thoughts though. I like NJ as a possible partner due to their youth and trading pieces. I wish Boone were taller, but he would be worth considering.

EDIT: This rumor is also listed on RealGM now as well as the site linked.

[C.lupus]

NJ seems to have more incentive to do this than MN and we could get a bigger expiring from Cleveland so... I would ask for Boone in return instead of Ager.

Miller + BOS pick for Swift + Boone + NJ pick

NJ may balk but, really, they have Lopez, Williams, and Anderson to hold down the C spot so they still aren't giving up that much.

[john2jer]

New Jersey doesn't really have much for attractive pieces. Their pick would be nice, as would Swift's expiring deal, but that doesn't balance salary-wise, gives us a potential 5th pick in a weak draft, and brings 0 talent in without clearing out any of our bad contracts.

This pretty much has to be a 3 team deal, unless of course they want to give us Devin Harris.

Oh EUCHUS!

[mg]

I think if the Wolves hold out they could possibly end up with a bigger expiring (ie Wally or maybe even Lafrentz) and lose 2 contracts in Miller and Cardinal if they wait until closer to the deadline. The extra capspace will be more important this offseason than a mid or late first round pick in a weak draft IMO. This NJ trade is something to consider I suppose if nothing better materializes before the deadline.

[prefuse73]

instead of the NJ pick I would take Jarvis Hayes as a 6'8 sf replacement for Miller.

Miller + Boston Pick for Boone, Swift and Hayes.

Boone would be a decent sized big to put next to AL. Love and Swift off the bench.

Jefferson - Boone - Love
Boone - Love - Swift
Gomes - Hayes
Foye - Carney
Telfair - Foye

[Worm Guts]

instead of the NJ pick I would take Jarvis Hayes as a 6'8 sf replacement for Miller.

Why? I don't know much about Hayes, but nothing about his numbers jump out. He's 27, an OK three point shooter.
I think I'd rather have the NJ pick then see how far up I can move in the draft by combining it with the Miami pick.

[WallyWorld]

I have been poking around with this scenario:

Miller/Booth for Swift, Sean Williams and a 2010/2011 first round pick (which is pretty wishful thinking)

I think the Nets hold Boone in pretty high regard, and the rumor was that Chicago said no to Williams and wanted Ager instead. Williams could develop into a nice shot blocker and has BC ties with Craig Smith. I LOVE this trade.

Another option could be to someohow incorporate Craig Smith or McCants into the trade, with further salary relief coming back to us.

[the_bruce]

meh?

I'd still need to be blow out of the water to trade Miller. Even if he isn't getting many shots to fall he's still helping the team night in and night out.

I'm not even a fan of the CLE deal anymore. Moving cardinal & madsen deals isn't doing much for me as the season wears on. They will be valuable expirings next season, and perhaps have the most value on draft day (along with miller).

[revprodeji]

Josh Boone is a 6'10 energy player. I would like him.

[karch34]

New Jersey doesn't really have much for attractive pieces. Their pick would be nice, as would Swift's expiring deal, but that doesn't balance salary-wise, gives us a potential 5th pick in a weak draft, and brings 0 talent in without clearing out any of our bad contracts.

This pretty much has to be a 3 team deal, unless of course they want to give us Devin Harris.

Oh EUCHUS!

Just for clarification:

On the trade checker it works if you include either Boone or Ager with Swift or both with Swift so salary-wise it should work. Boone would be nice and I would try that first. Ager is just an expiring which is why I put him in there, plus making it a 2 for 1 rather than 3 for 1 with our roster.

Also my thought would be swapping a pick in the late 20s for one currently slotted around 12-14 range, as it upgrades what would potentially be our 4th pick considerably.

Would Williams be another PF or could he play some C? I just left him out as it seemed a little redundant with what we have at PF already.

[wolves_fan_82au]

Miller would turn nj into a playoff team imo
Harris/Carter/Miller/Yi/Lopez looks a awesome side so there pick would be another mid ranger
im thinking nets think they can get miller for cheap which wont happeen
and it would have to be a 2 for 1 deal which means we need to waive someone
so yeh would probley go for Miller/2 2nds for nj 1st,Boone or williams/Swift

[PeeDee]

Remember, Miller to NJ could possibly push the Nets past the Heat, making our Miami pick better. Not that's it's THAT huge, but it's something to consider.

[john2jer]

Salary-wise you might find a combo that works, but value-wise you won't.

Swift is an expiring, that's it, but not big enough. Sean Williams sucks. Ager is nothing special. Bobby Simmons is grossly over-paid. Josh Boone is a 6'10" hustle guy. Well we got a few of those, none that are 6'10", but even still I don't see Boone bringing anything to the team that we don't already have.

The New Jersey pick would be nice if we could swap the Boston pick for it, but Swift+filler+mid-round pick for Miller+Boston pick is horrible for the Wolves. We don't even get rid of Cardinal, hell even Madsen would be nice at that point.

The Cleveland deal with Szczerbiak is a lot better just because we get rid of Cardinal as well.

New Jersey would need to find a 3rd team in which we could move Cardinal and get some kind of young player back.

[Chance1117]

If we are not planning to resign Miller when his contract expires then getting expiring contracts for him is a good deal. Then we could sign some FA this summer and 2010. Building around our young core.

[john2jer]

If we are not planning to resign Miller when his contract expires then getting expiring contracts for him is a good deal. Then we could sign some FA this summer and 2010. Building around our young core.

Oh believe me, I agree on moving Miller to free space, but you don't think other teams could offer more attractive pieces that expiring garbage? His value has to be higher than just a straight salary dump.

[wolves_fan_82au]

Salary-wise you might find a combo that works, but value-wise you won't.

Swift is an expiring, that's it, but not big enough. Sean Williams sucks. Ager is nothing special. Bobby Simmons is grossly over-paid. Josh Boone is a 6'10" hustle guy. Well we got a few of those, none that are 6'10", but even still I don't see Boone bringing anything to the team that we don't already have.

The New Jersey pick would be nice if we could swap the Boston pick for it, but Swift+filler+mid-round pick for Miller+Boston pick is horrible for the Wolves. We don't even get rid of Cardinal, hell even Madsen would be nice at that point.

The Cleveland deal with Szczerbiak is a lot better just because we get rid of Cardinal as well.

New Jersey would need to find a 3rd team in which we could move Cardinal and get some kind of young player back.

i dont think we need to remove everyone so quick
we should just remove enough cap this year to get a good free agent for next season and keep cardinal's contract for next year in which we can trade for a decent play that a team needs cap room
i think that if we remove miller's contract that free's up a good 12 mill if you count collins and we could go for marvin williams and than focus on 2010 by either a trade or in free agency

[Winter Wonder]

I guess it is how much you value the mid 1st and Boone (yes, I would make it Boone, not Williams).

I can see john2jer doesn't value them much (or at least as much as I may), though at this price with the savings due to Swift's expiring and that we take in less salary then we send out; I would say we have pretty good overall value. I wouldn't mind sending out another 2 year contract in Cards or Mads, but that makes salaries working much tougher.

If the mid first isn't what we want, we could attempt to expand it by making it

Ollie + Miller for Swift, Boone, and CDR.

but here I think we may be asking for more than they want to send, even if CDR has been dissappointing up until now.

Also of note, if we didn't want a pick this year, NJ has in addition to their own picks, the Dallas 2010 pick (no protection) and GS 2011 (top 14 prot in 2011, top 10 in 2012, and something in 2013) if that is of more interst than an 2009 pick.

Regardless, I think Boone would have a nice role and be a good fit on this team, much more so than Williams and brings some value to this trade.

[wolves_fan_82au]

we also have to look at roster spaces

if we do make a deal for boone and swift ,Swift or booth would have to be waived straight away
than we need to look at next year as well
this would give us
C-Jefferson/Boone
PF-Smith/Love/Madsen
SF-Gomes/Brewer/Cardinal
SG-Foye
PG-Telfair

say we look for 1 player in free agent(williams) than we may get 7 picks(Ours,Mia,NJ,Bos,Utah plus 2 2nds)
i really think the 2 2nds would have to be involved in the trade or maybe as well as the bos 1st

[Winter Wonder]

Yes, we would have to waive or buy out someone. I am guessing Booth would be gone.