THE OFFICIAL pretrade deadline Odom eval thread

Post #1 » by **snaquille oatmeal** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:42 am

how do you think he is doing in his new role? should he be moved back to the starting lineup?

what should we do about Lamar?

-resign him (although his salary counts for 14 mil agaist our cap the Lakers only pay him 9 mil and change) how much should we offer.

-trade him

-let him go

Post #2 » by **dockingsched** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:52 am

zero need for this thread imo.

Post #3 » by **snaquille oatmeal** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:01 am

dcash4 wrote:zero need for this thread imo.

so you are for keeping him

Dr Aki · Post #4 » by **Dr Aki** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:13 am

i am for keeping him on a lesser contract

hes earning what? 11.4mil this season? a 20-25% decrease in pay over 3-4 yr contract is entirely reasonable

and if things go awry, we have a kwame sized expiring a few years down the track

lakeshow248 · Post #5 » by **lakeshow248** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:56 am

I could see a sign and trade in the summer possibly but right now I think Odom's rebounding and ability to up the tempo is a very nice balance between the half court post up games of Gasol and Bynum.

The influx of Andrew's salary next year is gonna be the killer and the reason I think Odom won't be back, it will just be to much money to give a bench player. Andrew will demand the ball more next year and the Lakers' will need to find a backup at the 4/5 to fill Lamars' role. If Powell isn't the answer.

Only way Lamar could stay is if Luke, Vlad or Sasha got dumped for expirings but that seems very unlikely. I guess that is the price you pay for having 3 big guy salaries. Kobe at 23, Gasol at 16.5 and Bynum at 12.5 next year. So 52 million for those three guys just makes it tough to have expensive role players.

Their 8 players under contract for next year will make 78 million. Of course Odom, Ariza and Powell are not any of those 8. It sucks in a way, Ariza is worth Luke money and he will most likely be gone, Odom is worth Vlad money and more and he is probably gone.

Mitch could surprise everyone and do a Lamar trade w/ Luke, Vlad or Sasha attached in hopes of keeping the depth in place for next year without killing the cap. If they add 6 players next year to make it 14, like they have this year, they are gonna be still at a very big number.

A Marbury, Lee, Duhon for Odom, Sasha, Vlad, Farmar and Mihm deal might be such a deal that keeps so depth and saves money. Depending on Lee's resigning. However then their is the option of possibly moving Gasol and keeping David Lee. Just in terms of getting a little younger and more rebounding going forward.

LAKESHOW · Post #6 » by **LAKESHOW** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:50 am

he is too expensive to keep around, with his small abilities that his brings. swing the ball around, and he cannot hit the jumper with any consistency. dump the ball into him on the post, and he gets gunshy. guard him to his left, and he cannot go right and make a right hand layup with any consistency. but he gets the big paycheck. why?

his uptempo dribbling style down the lane and running the break, is a small return for the millions he is looking to receive. the big thing on his side? he knows the offensive system and knows where to go.

Dr Aki · Post #7 » by **Dr Aki** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:09 pm

he's still our single biggest mismatch whenever hes on the floor

over the past two years, lamar is (and by a LONG way) had the biggest +/- of all lakers

http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2009/01/lamar-odom-vlad.html

its also no fluke hes in the best four combinations of any laker 5s on the floor

hermes · Post #8 » by **hermes** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:47 pm

Akiho wrote:i am for keeping him on a lesser contract

hes earning what? 11.4mil this season? a 20-25% decrease in pay over 3-4 yr contract is entirely reasonable

and if things go awry, we have a kwame sized expiring a few years down the track

isn't he making 9 mil something? but there is a trade exception or something that counts it as 14?

anyway i'm all for keeping him, 8-9mil wouldn't be bad i guess

lakersfanatic · Post #9 » by **lakersfanatic** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:07 pm

Yeah, it's going to be hard to keep LO and Ariza... if they insist on making to the cap they have to let one of them go or trade others.. etc..

Tough decisions coming this summer. That's why i leave it to Kupcake. Then if he makes a bad move, we'll all blame, scold, and yell at him... or.. hug, kiss, and worship him.. LOL jk

Dr Aki · Post #10 » by **Dr Aki** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:25 pm

hermes wrote:
Akiho wrote:i am for keeping him on a lesser contract

hes earning what? 11.4mil this season? a 20-25% decrease in pay over 3-4 yr contract is entirely reasonable

and if things go awry, we have a kwame sized expiring a few years down the track

isn't he making 9 mil something? but there is a trade exception or something that counts it as 14?

anyway i'm all for keeping him, 8-9mil wouldn't be bad i guess

11.4 mil this season, his contract counts as 14.XX tho because of a trade kicker that occured as a result of being traded to the lakers

100mil payroll? lakers have 75mil tied up before re-signing lamar and ariza, not to mention picking up the option on powell. and i dont see mbenga and mihm kept beyond this season tho, so theres 3.4mil to play with...

lets hope buss keeps true to his word and keeps a championship team together...

im thinking ~90mil before luxury tax unless we find a way to turn vlad and luke into expirings or kobe decides to opt out to re-sign for less to help this team stay together

and as well as ariza's playing, no-ones going to throw more than 4~ish mil at him for a hustle player with an inconsistent stroke (much like ronny)

especially since posey only got the MLE and TBH, posey's got better man-on D, a much better stroke and is clutch to boot...

add to that financial crisis and all and you won't have many teams throwing a contract at ariza, the lakers wont match...

CX44 · Post #11 » by **CX44** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:46 pm

Wtih the economy down teams may not spend big dollars next yr in FA. Besides several teams are trying to be under the cap in 2010. Not sure if Portland was interested in Odom but you can take them off the list since Miles played in his 10th game. I think Lamar may find it difficult to get 10-12 mil a year unless he wants to go to Memphis and I'm not sure Memphis wants to spend that type of money.

TommyTheCat · Post #12 » by **TommyTheCat** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:16 pm

33-8........................i want to see him on our roster for the rest of this season & the playoff run.

That Nicka · Post #13 » by **That Nicka** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:29 pm

Lamar Odom historically picks up his game around December/January... And it seems like this year is no different... I dunno if now would be the best time to trade him

10scott10 · Post #14 » by **10scott10** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:59 pm

honestly, I love how he has been playing for the last month

CITYOFANGELSX3 · Post #15 » by **CITYOFANGELSX3** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:20 pm

TommyTheCat wrote:33-8........................i want to see him on our roster for the rest of this season & the playoff run.

Agreed, lets wait till the finals and see what happens first before we deal him. Unless there is a huge deal offered at the deadline that obviously makes us better. We should just wait and see.

lakeshow248 · Post #16 » by **lakeshow248** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:15 pm

I think going forward if the Lakers' could get a solid PF to replace him like a David Lee and attach Vlad's contract then they might be able to keep Ariza as well. This is the big question how can you free up money to keep Lamar. Basically you can't because no one will take Vlad or Luke's deal for an expiring contract. So your left with adding Lamar to Vlad lets say in order to set up a better payroll structure for next year. Basically they need a quality back up at the 4/5 for Odom and an expiring contract. Something like a David Lee and Malik Rose. However, Lee needs to be reuped and their fore they would have to add Vlad to the mix.

I'm sure a lot of Laker fans think Lamar will be back but for me I don't think so. I can see Mitch saying he wouldn't take the 5 million dollar offer so we got Jason Kidd instead. And you know what that might be ok but Ariza will likely be gone as well; do to the fact Vlad and Luke are making too much for doing nothing.

Post #17 » by **Danny Darko** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:28 pm

I say keep him and either give him a pay cut or use his money to resign our other key guys. I wouldn't mind losing him, signing Trevor, possibly Jordan, and then seeing more of Powell.

The thing I really hate about Lamar is that he plays clutch moments, but he is a known repeat choker and his free throws are unacceptable in the clutch or mostly ever. You can't have a guy who doesn't hit jumpers and doesn't make ft's play in the clutch. I think it's the dumbest thing Phil does.

edit- Xmas vs Boston... LO was money and hit those two 3's... that was a big thing for us. I just don't see him being able to do that as often as we need him to if he were to stay with even a marked down salary.

TylersLakers · Post #18 » by **TylersLakers** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:03 pm

I like LO, as a player, and even more as a person.

I personally hope he accepts less money (6-8m) to stay with us. Trevor Ariza is going to be off-season signing number 1, though. I really hope that we can somehow manage to keep both.

Post #19 » by **semi-sentient** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:20 pm

I would love to keep Odom on board as well, but it's hard to imagine how we're going to do that. It would be nice if we found a way to bring him and Ariza back, but I don't see it happening.

BTW, regarding the salary situation, I have to think that if we're making deep playoff (Finals) runs over the next few years then that will offset some of the cost. That's a lot of extra money made from playoff tickets and whatever revenue the team generates from playing an extended period of time.

hermes · Post #20 » by **hermes** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:28 pm

lakeshow248 wrote:I think going forward if the Lakers' could get a solid PF to replace him like a David Lee and attach Vlad's contract then they might be able to keep Ariza as well. This is the big question how can you free up money to keep Lamar. Basically you can't because no one will take Vlad or Luke's deal for an expiring contract. So your left with adding Lamar to Vlad lets say in order to set up a better payroll structure for next year. Basically they need a quality back up at the 4/5 for Odom and an expiring contract. Something like a David Lee and Malik Rose. However, Lee needs to be reuped and their fore they would have to add Vlad to the mix.

I'm sure a lot of Laker fans think Lamar will be back but for me I don't think so. I can see Mitch saying he wouldn't take the 5 million dollar offer so we got Jason Kidd instead. And you know what that might be ok but Ariza will likely be gone as well; do to the fact Vlad and Luke are making too much for doing nothing.

david lee?? where is he going to play, we have Pau

just keep odom, he is great for this team, the chemistry and all that