Nash unhappy? Amar'e being shopped? (Article)

MaryvalesFinest · Post #1 » by **MaryvalesFinest** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 5:41 am

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/11294057

Interesting article about Amar'e and the Suns recent struggles, also some sections of the article to look out for

Nash, who holds D'Antoni in the highest regard, is reluctant to praise his former coach too much -- lest he betray his true feelings about the direction of the team and Porter's style.

"He took his style and brought it to New York," Nash said. "I'm going to be very careful not to say something that sounds like one's better than the other."

Given Phoenix's lackluster play of late, CBSSports.com has learned that the organization might now be open to considering a much bigger deal -- one involving Stoudemire.

Discuss

Cash · Post #2 » by **Cash** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 6:21 am

Excoriating. That's the word. Let's hope the Suns can right the ship, because they're nearly capsized right now.

pidi · Post #3 » by **pidi** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 6:44 am

you know it sucks. nash sucks, amare sucks. they are some little cry babies. i want to play for mike, mike was the best, he took his super offense to ny, what the f+++.
if they dont want to play for terry than trade them. i don´t care if we are going back to lotterie,
but i can´t hear all the bull of mike no more. hes gone, now he´s an opponent and now we got to win some **** games.
if you don´t want to wear a purple jersey than leave this team.

realy, this talk about mike realy get me mad. the players should shut up and play. and amare should better be playing some kind of defense before he opens his mouth again - thought he was a smart uy but he turns out to be a stupid bitch.

Cash · Post #4 » by **Cash** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 6:53 am

pidi wrote:you know it sucks. nash sucks, amare sucks. they are some little cry babies. i want to play for mike, mike was the best, he took his super offense to ny, what the f+++.
if they dont want to play for terry than trade them. i don´t care if we are going back to lotterie,
but i can´t hear all the bull of mike no more. hes gone, now he´s an opponent and now we got to win some **** games.
if you don´t want to wear a purple jersey than leave this team.

realy, this talk about mike realy get me mad. the players should shut up and play. and amare should better be playing some kind of defense before he opens his mouth again - thought he was a smart uy but he turns out to be a stupid bitch.

Wow, I didn't realize you read this board, Mr. Sarver! Please forgive some of the rotten things I've posted about you. I was just being a jerk, and I wouldn't have been so mean if I thought you might read what I said.

pidi · Post #5 » by **pidi** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 7:02 am

Cash wrote:
pidi wrote:you know it sucks. nash sucks, amare sucks. they are some little cry babies. i want to play for mike, mike was the best, he took his super offense to ny, what the f+++.
if they dont want to play for terry than trade them. i don´t care if we are going back to lotterie,
but i can´t hear all the bull of mike no more. hes gone, now he´s an opponent and now we got to win some **** games.
if you don´t want to wear a purple jersey than leave this team.

realy, this talk about mike realy get me mad. the players should shut up and play. and amare should better be playing some kind of defense before he opens his mouth again - thought he was a smart uy but he turns out to be a stupid bitch.

Wow, I didn't realize you read this board, Mr. Sarver! Please forgive some of the rotten things I've posted about you. I was just being a jerk, and I wouldn't have been so mean if I thought you might read what I said.

haha, c´mon. i would love to be sarver right now so i could realy kick some ass. all the players have to do is play basketball. this can´t be that difficult or???
i just can´t hear the talk bout mike, rara, diaw - just everybody who left - no more.

and terry lost his control when he switched his offense this season. there are some vet guys who understand what it takes to win and there is amare. a sissy type of player who don´´t play defense and wnats the ball on the offense side everytime.

albasuna · Post #6 » by **albasuna** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 7:23 am

pidi wrote:you know it sucks. nash sucks, amare sucks. they are some little cry babies. i want to play for mike, mike was the best, he took his super offense to ny, what the f+++.
if they dont want to play for terry than trade them. i don´t care if we are going back to lotterie,
but i can´t hear all the bull of mike no more. hes gone, now he´s an opponent and now we got to win some **** games.
if you don´t want to wear a purple jersey than leave this team.

realy, this talk about mike realy get me mad. the players should shut up and play. and amare should better be playing some kind of defense before he opens his mouth again - thought he was a smart uy but he turns out to be a stupid bitch.

ok look. This is what happened, the Suns were doing some routine they excelled on. They didn't get to the promised land but they succeeded and had alot of fun doing what they did. Now all of a sudden someone comes in and forces them to change their routine. Their new routine sadly doesn't provide the same results... and even worse, the new routine is not likely to improve anything at all.

Basically they changed for the worse without any potential of being better than the former routine.

If you watched their games you can obviously see that they are still competing, but not at the highest level. If you are familiar with the human mind and body.. you will understand that it is near impossible to compete at your highest level 24/7. External pressures will lead your level to deteriate. And Porter seems to be one HECK of an external pressure.

Post #7 » by **rsavaj** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 7:32 am

If we trade Nash/Amare/Barbosa before we fire Porter.....epic fail.

pidi · Post #8 » by **pidi** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 8:06 am

the main problem i have here is:
if you get a new chief in youre job. you can´t get to him and tell him every second that you miss youre old one. this leads to inhappines, the motvation of the others is down two.

what happens the next time you do it??

TrueTaiwanese · Post #9 » by **TrueTaiwanese** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 8:40 am

we should

1) ship Nash and Amare out to Toronto in a deal like this:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &te=&cash=
I can really see Toronto doing it. With Amare and Nash, they've now turned themselve into a full-time run and gun team of the East. Considering the size of their fansbase, it's not hard to envision a dramatic increase in team revenue and natinoal attention both due to Steve's return and a more popular basketball system in run n gun, especially during the financial crisis. And with Steve's playmaking mastermind, he will be able to get the most outta those Rapter's pathetic second units who couldn't even create their own shot.

2) sent Barbosa to Indiana for a decent bigs like Foster and a prospects in Rush
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &te=&cash=
I just made this up and I really have no idea why Pacer would do this besides getting a former sixth-man in Barbosa.

Then our depth chart will be:
Jose Calderon / Dragic
Jason Richardson / Brandon Rush
Grand Hill / Matt Barn / Jared Dudley
Chris Bosh / Jeff Foster
Shaq / Courtney Sims ???!

A nice blend of youth and veteran!!!

bballshinobi20 · Post #10 » by **bballshinobi20** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 8:45 am

Dude... you got some spelling problems lol.

Anyways, I don't see how you can defend Terry Porter. He inherited a group players who've had success in the past. The team is obviously not doing well now with almost the same core of players who were successful before. What has been different are the coach and the style of play.

It' just simple logic. Don't blame the troops if your leader doesn't know what he's doing.

bballshinobi20 · Post #11 » by **bballshinobi20** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 8:46 am

TrueTaiwanese wrote:we should

1) ship Nash and Amare out to Toronto in a deal like this:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &te=&cash=
I can really see Toronto doing it. With Amare and Nash, they've now turned themselve into a full-time run and gun team of the East. Considering the size of their fansbase, it's not hard to envision a dramatic increase in team revenue and natinoal attention both due to Steve's return and a more popular basketball system in run n gun, especially during the financial crisis. And with Steve's playmaking mastermind, he will be able to get the most outta those Rapter's pathetic second units who couldn't even create their own shot.

2) sent Barbosa to Indiana for a decent bigs like Foster and a prospects in Rush
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &te=&cash=
I just made this up and I really have no idea why Pacer would do this besides getting a former sixth-man in Barbosa.

Then our depth chart will be:
Jose Calderon / Dragic
Jason Richardson / Brandon Rush
Grand Hill / Matt Barn / Jared Dudley
Chris Bosh / Jeff Foster
Shaq / Courtney Sims ???!

A nice blend of youth and veteran!!!

Steve Kerr? What are you doing here? Go fire Terry Porter already...

BurningHeart · Post #12 » by **BurningHeart** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 8:52 am

rsavaj wrote:If we trade Nash/Amare/Barbosa before we fire Porter.....epic fail.

I hate the term "epic fail" but this would be an appropriate analysis for such a situation.

TrueTaiwanese · Post #13 » by **TrueTaiwanese** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 8:58 am

I've already fired him about 2 weeks ago but he just wouldn't leave

bballshinobi20 wrote:
TrueTaiwanese wrote:we should

1) ship Nash and Amare out to Toronto in a deal like this:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &te=&cash=
I can really see Toronto doing it. With Amare and Nash, they've now turned themselve into a full-time run and gun team of the East. Considering the size of their fansbase, it's not hard to envision a dramatic increase in team revenue and natinoal attention both due to Steve's return and a more popular basketball system in run n gun, especially during the financial crisis. And with Steve's playmaking mastermind, he will be able to get the most outta those Rapter's pathetic second units who couldn't even create their own shot.

2) sent Barbosa to Indiana for a decent bigs like Foster and a prospects in Rush
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &te=&cash=
I just made this up and I really have no idea why Pacer would do this besides getting a former sixth-man in Barbosa.

Then our depth chart will be:
Jose Calderon / Dragic
Jason Richardson / Brandon Rush
Grand Hill / Matt Barn / Jared Dudley
Chris Bosh / Jeff Foster
Shaq / Courtney Sims ???!

A nice blend of youth and veteran!!!

Steve Kerr? What are you doing here? Go fire Terry Porter already...

nba_addict · Post #14 » by **nba_addict** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:03 am

Just fire Porter. Suns will do better even without a coach than having Porter in the sideline.

garrick · Post #15 » by **garrick** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:10 am

Trades would not help this team, you get different players and you would get largely the same results. Change comes from the top.

pidi · Post #16 » by **pidi** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:16 am

bballshinobi20 wrote:Dude... you got some spelling problems lol.

Anyways, I don't see how you can defend Terry Porter. He inherited a group players who've had success in the past. The team is obviously not doing well now with almost the same core of players who were successful before. What has been different are the coach and the style of play.

It' just simple logic. Don't blame the troops if your leader doesn't know what he's doing.

damn, i don´t like to write english, but i think i´m doing pretty fine, haha.

this team was alway succesful? but why did we let dántoni go?? this team didn´t get over the hump with mike. can you remember? so let terry do his job. i mean this season is over. with terry on the sideline or with anyone else coaching. doesn´t make a difference.

if the players ( amare ) would have a better work ethic ( i mean defense is a thing of wanting ) and rebounding ( wasn´t it jason kidd who told us rebounding is a mind thing? ) than we wouldn´t have this discussion right here.

btw. what has happened to amare?? went from a beast to a jump-shooting power forward?
did he hang out too much with our native dirk?? i tell you ama´re sucks big right now.

The Diesel · Post #17 » by **The Diesel** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:30 am

The team never got over the hump with Mike D because he got screwed by bad luck each year.

- Joe Johnson's injury in 2005

- Amare's season-ending injury in 2006 and Raja getting injured in the Conference Finals

- The suspensions

- Grant Hill's injury and Tim Duncan's 3 pointer in 2008

Even D'Antoni said he thinks the 2008 series might have turned out very differently if Duncan didn't hit that 3 pointer and I agree because Popovich revealed a VERY interesting fact before the 2008 series started.

- He admitted that the Spurs "lost some heart" after losing twice to the Suns in the regular season after Phoenix got Shaq and the 2nd loss was a 96-79 blowout at home against Phoenix.

If Phoenix didn't choke in Game 1, I think it would have demoralized the Spurs when you consider what Popovich revealed.

I STILL haven't gotten over that loss.

pidi · Post #18 » by **pidi** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:47 am

yah, ok bad luck. especially 2005 and last year. i still get mad when i think of it.
but again, we all complained about mike:
- not using his bench
- not using any rookies
- riding nash to the ground
- ain´t calling timeouts when we did not score for 7 minutes
. blablala

we wouldn´t never get past san antonio with mike. never ever. sorry.

again if ama´re would play with more heart right now + the great play of shaq we would be a realy
damn good force....
can you blame porter for ama´re??

The Diesel · Post #19 » by **The Diesel** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:57 am

Yes, I blame Porter for Amare's lack of production. Remember, under D'Antoni, Amare did the following:

- Averaged 26 PPG during the 2004-2005 regular season and then averaged 40 PPG against Duncan in the Conference Finals.

- He averaged 30 PPG last year after Shaq came to Phoenix.

Amare has said he misses playing for Mike D and is frustrated in Porter's system.

And the team WOULD have gotten past the Spurs in 2007 if Boris and Amare weren't suspended, and MIGHT have gotten past the Spurs in 2005 and 2008 if Joe Johnson and Grant Hill didn't get hurt.

Porter has done NOTHING he was hired to do.

- The defense is still HORRIBLE under him

- They said he would keep the up-tempo offense, yet all he does is call plays for Shaq.

- He hasn't developed the rookies and publicly criticized Lopez last week.

- He is not respected by the players; Barnes, Amare, Nash, Dragic, and Bell have all publicly complained about him.

Porter is horrible!

FIRE PORTER!

Clint Eastwood · Post #20 » by **Clint Eastwood** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 2:57 pm

not sure if you guys want amare traded or not. but if he might not resign in 2010 after an opt out, i will make a play for him now as a bulls fan.

now i understand defense has never been his thing. is it possible, he is not as good as past stats anyway and that he has been inflated by nash and d'antoni's system? i mean chris freeking duhon is putting up all star numbers. d'antoni seems to be the master at puffing up players value in the form of stats.

so first i ask you suns people, is amare really that great, i just havent watched enough of his game to say.

if you go into a rebuild, would you do the following trade? the bulls would add in an unprotected pick this year, and possibly in 2010 as well.

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.ph ... id=4946610

it is essentially hinrich, deng, noah and a first round pick or 2 for amare and the expiring hill and amundsen to match contracts. you guys would likely try to move nash for good young value and picks and build around hinrich, deng, noah, richardson, and the multiple picks and other talent from nash.

thoughts?