Deal involving Ray Allen and Stoudemire

Octolor · Post #1 » by **Octolor** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 12:20 am

Would you trade Ray Allen for Amare Stoudemire?

This works with the cap.

It would give the Celts a young nucleus ( with Rondo) to prolong the dynasty and lengthen Garnett's career.

We would probably have to inlude Perkins and receive a shooting guard in the deal.

I would do it in a heartbeat.

Datruth345 · Post #2 » by **Datruth345** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 12:32 am

why does phx do this???

greenbeans · Post #3 » by **greenbeans** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 12:37 am

Ray n Perk for Amare n Barbosa..
It would have to be the offseason and I don't think there's a chance in hell they do that deal, are they that cheap/dumb?

Dave_From_NB · Post #4 » by **Dave_From_NB** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 1:23 am

Boy, when I see Scal outplay a guy, I'm not sure I want to trade an all-star and future hall of famer for him. I think we can do better.

Post #5 » by **wetsthebed** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 1:25 am

Datruth345 wrote:why does phx do this???

I know Amare's been **** lately, but there's still no chance they would even think about doing this.

GreenGrizz · Post #6 » by **GreenGrizz** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 4:09 am

I watched Amare. He is losing his youth and motivation. Phoenix would be smart to trade him while his trade value is high. I don't know if I should give up Ray Allen for him. Amare is what you are looking at Perk. Ray would have left a void wide open. Phoenix wouldn't give up more than Amare.

humblebum · Post #7 » by **humblebum** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 4:14 am

Selfish stat padders don't fit in with the Celtics mojo. This guy has all the tools to be a great defender, but he's terrible on that end. Why? He's lacking in the ticker department.

These Ray Allen trades are all so foolish... does no one understand the importance of floor spacing on offense?

Dirty Water · Post #8 » by **Dirty Water** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 9:38 am

Dave_From_NB wrote:Boy, when I see Scal outplay a guy, I'm not sure I want to trade an all-star and future hall of famer for him. I think we can do better.

classic!

sam_I_am · Post #9 » by **sam_I_am** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 12:05 pm

Dave_From_NB wrote:Boy, when I see Scal outplay a guy, I'm not sure I want to trade an all-star and future hall of famer for him. I think we can do better.

Have you ever seen Amare .... or Scal for that matter ... go into Orlando on the second night of a back to back and just contain Dwight Howard? Well I just saw Perkins do that and he has been doing that for 3 years. Scal had a great night on Amare the other day but can he do it consistently? What happens when Amare figures out what he is doing?

Anyway, the trade is nonsensical. Nobody trades the best young offensive big man in the game for a guy on his last legs or for a salary dump.

EDIT: Actually, nobody but Chris Wallace would.

pistons_in_6 · Post #10 » by **pistons_in_6** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 4:01 pm

i guess everyone forgot about jason richardson.

Zin5 · Post #11 » by **Zin5** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 5:11 pm

We are not a suitable trading partner for Pheonix, we have nothing they want. Pre-KG, we might have been, since Al Jefferson would have been better suited for their half court game, but that's not important.

Amare also doesn't fit with this team. Maybe he would in a few years when he and Rondo's running the team and on the fast break, but for now he's not an ideal half court player. He's also not that young, he's 26 and I see him as the kind of play that's going to fade away in his early 30's.

TheSheriff · Post #12 » by **TheSheriff** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 5:33 pm

pistons_in_6 wrote:i guess everyone forgot about jason richardson.

The suns have enough 2s.

cfan79 · Post #13 » by **cfan79** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 5:34 pm

This thread should be labeled better. Its a frickin trade idea.

Even though I love Ray and Perk I'd definitely trade them for Amare. But it makes no sense for Phoenix to do such a deal. They aren't rebuilding with the trade or pushing their team over the top.

humblebum · Post #14 » by **humblebum** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 5:37 pm

I frankly wouldn't even trade Perk for Amare straight up. That because defense is more important in the game of basketball and Perk's defense is to Amare's defense what Amare's offense is to Perk's offense. If you catch my drift. Never mind including Ray.

Frankly, the Suns wouldn't do this either, for obvious reasons.

GoGoCeltics · Post #15 » by **GoGoCeltics** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 5:59 pm

humblebum wrote:I frankly wouldn't even trade Perk for Amare straight up. That because defense is more important in the game of basketball and Perk's defense is to Amare's defense what Amare's offense is to Perk's offense. If you catch my drift. Never mind including Ray.

Frankly, the Suns wouldn't do this either, for obvious reasons.

Ok, I know Celts fans may have a reputation of being homers (what team isn't?), but seriously, that's ridiculous. You wouldn't trade Kendrick Perkins for Amare?!? I love Perk, he's one of my favorite Celtics, but to deny trading PERK for AMARE is crazy. Green 18 would be much easier with Amare next to KG.

cfan79 · Post #16 » by **cfan79** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 6:11 pm

humblebum wrote:I frankly wouldn't even trade Perk for Amare straight up. That because defense is more important in the game of basketball and Perk's defense is to Amare's defense what Amare's offense is to Perk's offense. If you catch my drift. Never mind including Ray.

Frankly, the Suns wouldn't do this either, for obvious reasons.

Amare isn't exactly chop liver on defense. Plus his offense is much much better then Perks. No offense to Perk I love him and his great D, but the guy looks offensively (Please Use More Appropriate Word) sometimes.

cisco · Post #17 » by **cisco** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 6:42 pm

^Yes, Amare IS chop liver on defense. He just doesn't play it or doesn't want to.

To trade Perk AND Ray for Amare would be Blasphemy! What would happen to our frontcourt defense without Perk? It would be terrible and no way we could continue a dynasty with terrible front court defense.

da_truth34 · Post #18 » by **da_truth34** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 7:00 pm

I thought we only had trade Ray threads if he has a bad game?

cfan79 · Post #19 » by **cfan79** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 7:06 pm

cisco wrote:^Yes, Amare IS chop liver on defense. He just doesn't play it or doesn't want to.

To trade Perk AND Ray for Amare would be Blasphemy! What would happen to our frontcourt defense without Perk? It would be terrible and no way we could continue a dynasty with terrible front court defense.

Just because he's been on a running team doesn't mean he can't play defense. He had to play along side small forwards playing out of position at power forward and now he's playing with Shaq who can't make it to the other side of the floor in time on defense.

cisco · Post #20 » by **cisco** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 7:42 pm

cfan79 wrote:
cisco wrote:^Yes, Amare IS chop liver on defense. He just doesn't play it or doesn't want to.

To trade Perk AND Ray for Amare would be Blasphemy! What would happen to our frontcourt defense without Perk? It would be terrible and no way we could continue a dynasty with terrible front court defense.

Just because he's been on a running team doesn't mean he can't play defense. He had to play along side small forwards playing out of position at power forward and now he's playing with Shaq who can't make it to the other side of the floor in time on defense.

STAT hasn't been known for he defense no matter what the situation. He's just lazy and only cares about his "STATs". Check out the Suns board and see how lazy the people that watch his every game thinks he is.