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Re: Kings vs Wiz: The Battle For Last Place 

Post#21 » by deNIEd » Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:04 pm

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mitchweber wrote:No, it's guaranteed to be in the top 4. And very rarely has the worst team gotten the #1 pick.

True. It's also just as rare for a worst team to get #4 as well. #2 or #3 is the most likely scenario.


Number 2 or 3 is still good enough.

Griffin, Thabeet, Hill, Harden, Jennings, Rubio, Holiday

We would be guaranteed to get Petries 1st or 2nd favorite player in that group.



Thompson played well, but I'm starting to get annoyed with his stupid fouls lol. I think we should just put him in the game, and tell him that he can stay in as long as he wants, until he fouls out. So he could either play 40 minutes or 20 minutes.
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Re: Kings vs Wiz: The Battle For Last Place 

Post#22 » by Fola314 » Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:55 pm

Here are the odds that the team with the worst record has in the lottery:

1st pick: 25%
2nd pick: 21.5%
3rd pick: 17.8%
4th pick: 35.7%
5th and onward : 0%
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Re: Kings vs Wiz: The Battle For Last Place 

Post#23 » by Smills91 » Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:27 pm

Fola314 wrote:Here are the odds that the team with the worst record has in the lottery:

1st pick: 25%
2nd pick: 21.5%
3rd pick: 17.8%
4th pick: 35.7%
5th and onward : 0%


Yeah but you have to add up 25%, then 21.5% then 17.8%...the chances of getting a top 3 over #4 is basically 2/3. Meaning we have one third the chance of getting #4, but 2/3's the chance of not.
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Re: Kings vs Wiz: The Battle For Last Place 

Post#24 » by SacKingZZZ » Fri Jan 23, 2009 4:30 am

mitchweber wrote:No, it's guaranteed to be in the top 4. And very rarely has the worst team gotten the #1 pick.



My thinking is that it's way overdue.


Keep on tankin' baby!!!

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Post#25 » by deNIEd » Fri Jan 23, 2009 4:41 am

We are 4th worst without even trying to tank.

I really don't think tanking will be all that hard lol
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Post#26 » by thebiggesthomer » Sat Jan 24, 2009 11:34 pm

sighs what a pathetic fAN BASE SO SOUND THESE ONCE PROUD FANS HAVE SUNK SO LOW EVEN IN SACRAMENTO FANS AREANT REAL FANS SO SAD
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Re: Kings vs Wiz: The Battle For Last Place 

Post#27 » by SacKingZZZ » Sun Jan 25, 2009 2:04 am

thebiggesthomer wrote:sighs what a pathetic fAN BASE SO SOUND THESE ONCE PROUD FANS HAVE SUNK SO LOW EVEN IN SACRAMENTO FANS AREANT REAL FANS SO SAD



Oh get off the cross Jesus. :roll:

I'm sure if the Kings get a real star in the draft you'll demand he not be signed right? Maybe they should give their draft pick away, yeah that's it....

Watch you'll be the first one going gaga over said player if it should happen.
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Post#28 » by thebiggesthomer » Sun Jan 25, 2009 2:31 am

I dont root for lottery balls sorry REAL FANS DONT!!!
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Post#29 » by KingInExile » Sun Jan 25, 2009 3:05 am

thebiggesthomer wrote:I dont root for lottery balls sorry REAL FANS DONT!!!

I personally have no desire to "root for lottery balls" and I'm sure most posters around here would rather be celebrating Kings victories on the court right now. But when fans are faced with the reality of the team putting up ugly loss after ugly loss, it's sometimes necessary to try to at least find a bright side. Well, that bright side is that all of the losses will give the team a better shot at getting a high pick in the draft. So, even though I would much rather be cheering for victories on the floor, I will accept the consolation prize of improved draft positioning when they inevitably lose.

You're perfectly free to refuse to accept that losses may help the team in the future and continue with "unwavering optimism" about the team's ability. But don't accuse other posters of "not being real fans" if they don't share your level of optimism.
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Post#30 » by deNIEd » Sun Jan 25, 2009 3:27 am

thebiggesthomer wrote:I dont root for lottery balls sorry REAL FANS DONT!!!


Cause "real" fans only accepts a team that wins?

No one here is saying that we don't want the King's to succeed, but when you look at the reality of our situation, unless we obtain a top level talent, we will NEVER be able to win a title. We aren't New York or Los Angeles. We aren't Chicago. We don't have Portland or Dallas money, we are in fact Sacramento, a team that is relatively poor (we can't buy players) and a city that no big player will ever want to go to.

Unless we FORCE a player to come (draft or trade) then we have no shot in hell at ever obtaining a quality player.

Now, unless we get a top pick, either the player or the trade value, things will never get better.

I'm sorry that I want my team to win a title and not first round exists year after year. I'm sorry that I want my team to have a legitimate shot at ever becoming anything. I'm sorry that I'm willing to stick with this team regardless of how many wins or losses we have. I guess I'm just not a real fan. My bad
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Re: Kings vs Wiz: The Battle For Last Place 

Post#31 » by SacKingZZZ » Sun Jan 25, 2009 5:28 am

KingInExile wrote:I personally have no desire to "root for lottery balls" and I'm sure most posters around here would rather be celebrating Kings victories on the court right now. But when fans are faced with the reality of the team putting up ugly loss after ugly loss, it's sometimes necessary to try to at least find a bright side. Well, that bright side is that all of the losses will give the team a better shot at getting a high pick in the draft. So, even though I would much rather be cheering for victories on the floor, I will accept the consolation prize of improved draft positioning when they inevitably lose.

You're perfectly free to refuse to accept that losses may help the team in the future and continue with "unwavering optimism" about the team's ability. But don't accuse other posters of "not being real fans" if they don't share your level of optimism.



DING! DING! DING! We have a winner!!!

Hey, I was where you were biggesthomer, 2 years ago. Times change, realities change, focal points change. We are going to have to get worse to get better. I'm just glad after 3 years it's starting to look at least a little bit like there might be a direction here. If the losses now mean fewer sucky years, I'll take it.
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Post#32 » by pillwenney » Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:12 am

deNIEd wrote:Cause "real" fans only accepts a team that wins?

No one here is saying that we don't want the King's to succeed, but when you look at the reality of our situation, unless we obtain a top level talent, we will NEVER be able to win a title. We aren't New York or Los Angeles. We aren't Chicago. We don't have Portland or Dallas money, we are in fact Sacramento, a team that is relatively poor (we can't buy players) and a city that no big player will ever want to go to.

Unless we FORCE a player to come (draft or trade) then we have no shot in hell at ever obtaining a quality player.

Now, unless we get a top pick, either the player or the trade value, things will never get better.

I'm sorry that I want my team to win a title and not first round exists year after year. I'm sorry that I want my team to have a legitimate shot at ever becoming anything. I'm sorry that I'm willing to stick with this team regardless of how many wins or losses we have. I guess I'm just not a real fan. My bad


That's just not true. We'll be willing to pay big money for the right player when they come along. If we're $20million under the cap, and there's a viable FA out there for us that can be had for that price, we most certainly would be able to buy that player.

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Anyway, I think the more important thing over all is just what KIE said--looking at losing as a consolation prize. That means that if the team loses, you look at that in an attempt to be optimistic. But it certainly doesn't mean your root for them to lose.
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Post#33 » by deNIEd » Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:24 am

When I meant "buy" players, I meant going above and beyond the lux tax. Knicks, Mavs, Lakers, Portland are teams that can "buy" a team. Maloofs won't do that.

Portland could very well have 4-5 max level players and still be perfectly fine with their situation. New York has a payroll of nearly 40 million over the salary cap level, won't even make the playoffs, yet, their still okay. Mavericks have a horrible team for the amount they are paying, yet I highly doubt Cuban cares. Those are organizations that can "buy" a team. We can't.

Because of that, we need to make sure that we have the absolute best talent for whatever price tag. We cannot afford to pay a D level talent B level money. Like you said, we traded Skinner for Pot/Monia just to save a few hundred thousand dollars.

Look at the three teams that have the greatest chance of winning a title this year
Cavs - 90 mil
Lakers - 79 mil
Boston - 80 mil

We can't compete with that.
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Post#34 » by SacKingZZZ » Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:41 am

deNIEd wrote:When I meant "buy" players, I meant going above and beyond the lux tax. Knicks, Mavs, Lakers, Portland are teams that can "buy" a team. Maloofs won't do that.

Portland could very well have 4-5 max level players and still be perfectly fine with their situation. New York has a payroll of nearly 40 million over the salary cap level, won't even make the playoffs, yet, their still okay. Mavericks have a horrible team for the amount they are paying, yet I highly doubt Cuban cares. Those are organizations that can "buy" a team. We can't.

Because of that, we need to make sure that we have the absolute best talent for whatever price tag. We cannot afford to pay a D level talent B level money. Like you said, we traded Skinner for Pot/Monia just to save a few hundred thousand dollars.

Look at the three teams that have the greatest chance of winning a title this year
Cavs - 90 mil
Lakers - 79 mil
Boston - 80 mil

We can't compete with that.



But they've more than overpaid for players in the past. In fact, one could argue that's one of the main reasons we're in the situation we're in now.

I actually think the Maloofs wouldn't mind "buying" a few players sooner rather than later because I'm sure the lack of interest in their ballclub is killing their egos more than their wallets. Don't forget, this was never a money making enterprise, they've gone as far as to open their own books to prove it, so while I don't think that they don't give a crap about the finances I do know their GM isn't going to allow an inferior product to bleed more money than necessary.

With that said, they are at a major financial disadvantage due to the arena situation and the lack of a revenue stream created by having luxury box sweets, etc. To be honest, if there was ever a time to get the hell out of Sacramento, and maybe the cesspool that is California, now would be it. But that's a seperate and entirely depressing issue.
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Post#35 » by pillwenney » Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:02 am

deNIEd wrote:When I meant "buy" players, I meant going above and beyond the lux tax. Knicks, Mavs, Lakers, Portland are teams that can "buy" a team. Maloofs won't do that.

Portland could very well have 4-5 max level players and still be perfectly fine with their situation. New York has a payroll of nearly 40 million over the salary cap level, won't even make the playoffs, yet, their still okay. Mavericks have a horrible team for the amount they are paying, yet I highly doubt Cuban cares. Those are organizations that can "buy" a team. We can't.

Because of that, we need to make sure that we have the absolute best talent for whatever price tag. We cannot afford to pay a D level talent B level money. Like you said, we traded Skinner for Pot/Monia just to save a few hundred thousand dollars.

Look at the three teams that have the greatest chance of winning a title this year
Cavs - 90 mil
Lakers - 79 mil
Boston - 80 mil

We can't compete with that.


But this is really irrelevant to free agency for the most part. And if going a little deeper into the tax means a really big piece to the championship puzzle, I think they'll do it. Especially if/when the arena gets built.

The issue with the Skinner trade is that they were going into the tax unnecessarily--which they won't do. But doing that trade didn't bring us from contenders to pretenders, and that's why it was made.

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