The wrong people doing the wrong things

[jazzfanak47]

i wanted to get some different opinions on a subject that i personally strongly believe is killing our team this year. What im talking about is the fact that whether by accident or on purpose we cant get away from the wrong people on this team continuing to do things they shouldnt be doing, ie cjs and ronnies shot selection and to further prove my point i want to use tonights game vs denver as an example


Deron i think we can all agree is someone we want to be the man leading us to victory but tonight he took 14 shots maybe not that bad really, until you realize RONNIE BREWER took 17 tonight ( the most of anyone) and he produced 16 points, his +/- was the worst too at -25. Then upon further inspection you notice paul millsaps shot total... 4. thats it, 4. The only players to take less shots then millsap tonight were brevin knight (0-2) and ronnie price (0-3) millsap by the way was 3-4 his +/- wasnt good either but he did only get 4 shots up
All of this just makes me wonder what larry miller is paying our coaches to do, because it obviously isnt to coach. Really when is SOMEONE on this team going to step up and make sure we have our players playing within themselves and not taking up shots and wasting posessions?

[carrottop12]

Yeah, the problem with this team right now is that nobody has developed their roles completely and it's killing the Jazz.

Deron is the leader clearly, but either he's isn't vocal enough, or he's too unselfish and other players just aren't putting up the same effort that he does.

Millsap is the low post guy now, and the garbage man, but like you said, he needs to be averaging 12-15 shots per game right now, no reason for him to be having a 4 shot night against a division opponent.

Nobody else on the team has a set role and whether it's their fault, or the coaches or due to injuries it's killing the Jazz.

Memo appears to have an attitude that anything he adds is just gravy, and if he doesn't play well then no big deal. He should be the go to scorer right now and he isn't taking on that role.

CJ and Brewer don't seem to have a clue some games which is a dissapointment. Brewer was so good last year and he's really fallen off this season. CJ doesn't seem to realize that he's gotten past his young kid stature and needs to start producing.

This team is having an identity crisis and it will be the end of them if they aren't careful.

[Duiz]

I can see, and agree with the idea of an identity crisis.

I don't know if it is injuries, crappy players, or some plain bad coaching. Perhaps a combination of all.

[jozef]

It's about execution and calling right plays.

Okur is not athletic to be go-to guy. Maybe against Memphis or some weaker starter he could do it.
Miles is forgotten and very often he is 5th option on the play. His strength is to put the ball on the floor but he rarely gets opportunity to do it in halfcourt. Call picknrolls for him at regular basis.
Millsap is hustle player who gets his points when opponent gets a bit tired. Brewer runs baseline cuts and hits occasional open jumpshot. Korver can't dribble, shoots everything, preferably on fastbreak. Williams loves the ball and hesitation and crossover moves. Kirilenko can get to free throw on wild layup, especially against bench players.

Only Boozer and Harpring execute properly.

In comparison with Stockton/Malone years we run too many UCLA Cuts and Stacks and continuations. We should more focus on simple picknroll and small-on-big screen. Change personnel to get diversity and everybody involved. Say picknpop Williams and Okur, then picknroll Miles and Millsap, then screen Harpring on Millsap, then screen Brewer on Okur.
Yeah, I forget, We need to start Miles and Harpring and let Brewer and Korver to finish games. Miles and Brewer are too young and soft to set a tone. Harpring and Korver are not flexible athletes.

[schneiderjazz]

It's about execution and calling right plays.

Okur is not athletic to be go-to guy. Maybe against Memphis or some weaker starter he could do it.
Miles is forgotten and very often he is 5th option on the play. His strength is to put the ball on the floor but he rarely gets opportunity to do it in halfcourt. Call picknrolls for him at regular basis.
Millsap is hustle player who gets his points when opponent gets a bit tired. Brewer runs baseline cuts and hits occasional open jumpshot. Korver can't dribble, shoots everything, preferably on fastbreak. Williams loves the ball and hesitation and crossover moves. Kirilenko can get to free throw on wild layup, especially against bench players.

Only Boozer and Harpring execute properly.

In comparison with Stockton/Malone years we run too many UCLA Cuts and Stacks and continuations. We should more focus on simple picknroll and small-on-big screen. Change personnel to get diversity and everybody involved. Say picknpop Williams and Okur, then picknroll Miles and Millsap, then screen Harpring on Millsap, then screen Brewer on Okur.
Yeah, I forget, We need to start Miles and Harpring and let Brewer and Korver to finish games. Miles and Brewer are too young and soft to set a tone. Harpring and Korver are not flexible athletes.

I don't understand why you always have to take a shot at AK, but I do agree with some of your points. I have no idea why after half of the season and going down by double digits in the first quarter about half of the games, Sloan still hasn't tried a new starting lineup. Why CJ is still starting after so many bad games is beyond me. And it's insane just how many players have career nights playing against the Jazz.
IMO, Sloan should try something like starting Deron, Korver, AK, Memo, Kosta. We're much better defensively and we still can score.

[seejaydeja]

It's become apparent to me that no matter how much they say that they can't make excuses about the injuries, and fatigue, they still are playing like a down-trodden beat up and injured team. We have no heart, no bite, no attitude. Especially last night, it just seemed like nobody really gave a damn. Especially Okur. CJ said in the post-game that they just aren't able to do the simple things that they do every day in practice and its frustrating. I couldn't agree more, our play execution has gone to hell. And our defense? You wanna talk about Denver having bad D. Last night was terrible for us.

[HammerDunk]

The difference last night was that Denver actually played that game like they were playing against a division rival, the Jazz were playing like they were injured and tired from a back to back. A better team would have gotten up for that game. I would say that the Jazz are definitely in crisis mode. They need to figure out if they want to be contenders or not, and I think it really comes down to 3 players, CJ, Brew and Memo. Enough half-assed play, I want to see them figure out what they need to do AND DO IT!

[carrottop12]

Move CJ to the bench for Korver. Korver has a much better chance of starting the game hot then CJ does, and if Korver does the Jazz should be able to stay in first quarters a lot easier.

Then on the bench with Knight/CJ/AK/Kosta/Fes have Kosta and AK be the go to guys for points, and let CJ be the designated jump shooter.

[seejaydeja]

Move CJ to the bench for Korver. Korver has a much better chance of starting the game hot then CJ does, and if Korver does the Jazz should be able to stay in first quarters a lot easier.

Then on the bench with Knight/CJ/AK/Kosta/Fes have Kosta and AK be the go to guys for points, and let CJ be the designated jump shooter.

I agree, CJ doesn't deserve the starting position right now. I'm all for having a strong bench, but when it comes at the expense of being down by 10+ every first quarter, its time to start the best 5 players you got...And right now Korver is playing with alot more heart than CJ

[jozef]

Kirilenko can get to free throw on wild layup, especially against bench players.

I don't understand why you always have to take a shot at AK, but I do agree with some of your points.

This season he shoots 2 more free throws and 2 more field goals per 36 minutes so I relate it to his bench role. You are right, I take a shot at AK cause he miss polished scoring skills and it throws team execution off and it shows in tough games.

[freakazoid]

It's about execution .

I agree with Josef.

We should have executed Matt Harpring years ago.


Personally, I would have preferred the firing squad, but would settle for for Matt being drawn and quartered.

[jozef]

You had to be injured by a physical player.

[Jazzman20]

I think that if Milsap wanted to take more than 4 shots, he would've. I think thats basically how the cookie crumbles. If you want it, you want it.