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We should get rid of Wang too cuz he blows it in the postseason. CC too. Matsui has stunk it up in the playoffs,can him. Jeter sucks defensively 24/7 365 lets drop his ass too!
the team as a whole sucks in the postseason. when will people realize that?

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lol @ ppl blaming A-Rod as the sole reason for the Yankees playoff failures the past several years. Sure he's sucked horribly in the playoffs, but so has everyone else.
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VinnyTheMick wrote:wwtsm wrote:What's wrong with that? I'd rather have Manny, a guy who's gonna absolutely destroy the Sox if we meet them in the playoffs, for the next 3 years than a guy who puts up numbers in the regular season but come playoff time couldn't hit 8th for the Pittsburgh Pirates.
What's wrong with that? Well first of all name me one team that will take his contract. Second, sign manny to play left field? Liability. DH? Where does Matsui go? Does Manny bust his ass on this squad or not? He got his contract, whats his motivation?
Nady, Damon and Matsui in the outfield, Manny DH'ing. If we take on a little of his salary or take back a guy like WIllis, Detroit could take him. The White Sox could pay up. Maybe even Seattle.
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wwtsm wrote:VinnyTheMick wrote:wwtsm wrote:What's wrong with that? I'd rather have Manny, a guy who's gonna absolutely destroy the Sox if we meet them in the playoffs, for the next 3 years than a guy who puts up numbers in the regular season but come playoff time couldn't hit 8th for the Pittsburgh Pirates.
What's wrong with that? Well first of all name me one team that will take his contract. Second, sign manny to play left field? Liability. DH? Where does Matsui go? Does Manny bust his ass on this squad or not? He got his contract, whats his motivation?
Nady, Damon and Matsui in the outfield, Manny DH'ing. If we take on a little of his salary or take back a guy like WIllis, Detroit could take him. The White Sox could pay up. Maybe even Seattle.

Joe Torre is and was an incompetent manager who benefited from having a talented lineup that won World Series in the 90s. The role of a baseball manager is really overrated, and Torre's various game management problems made him more of a liability than an asset. Acting like he was a glorious teacher to ARod, whom he would drop in the lineup during a cold streak and badmouth to the media here and there, makes him a jackass.
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/b ... ml?eref=T1
I would put up the Picard picture again but at that point i'd sort of be spamming my own board.
Only much later did Torre start to put the picture together of what had happened to his working relationship with Cashman. The personal falling-out they had in 2006 spring training over philosophical issues, Cashman's decision not to bring back longtime center fielder Bernie Williams when his contract expired in 2006, his submission of odd lineup suggestions based on stats, his lack of regard for Ron Guidry as a pitching coach, his detachment from the "they" who were making an offer to Torre, his failure to offer any comment or support in the meeting that decided Torre's future, his failure to personally relay Torre's proposal to find a way to reach an agreement to the Steinbrenners ...
I would put up the Picard picture again but at that point i'd sort of be spamming my own board.
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this whole book seems like to h ave opened a can of worms
fall out should be interesting
fall out should be interesting

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Torre got mad that the Yankees didn't give Bernie a contract he didn't deserve?
c'mon, Joe...

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Why is everybody mad at Arod here? Torre violated the very sacred (baseball) trust of 'what happens in the clubhouse stays in the clubhouse'.
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frankly I could careless about what this book says or doesnt say. As cmaff said, torre violated the rule where what happens in the clubhouse is a clubhouse issue.
All this book does for me is diminishes Joe Torre's value as a yankee manager for me. Thanks for the WS runs... Much appreciated. But Torre ABUSED bullpen arms, he neglected numerous young talents. Torre was better suited as a manager who had nothing but vet players... which is why we went the direction we did for so long. So either way. Torre quickly has fallen from grace in my eyes. I was hoping that some time his #6 would be retired, but frankly id much rather see Igawa wear it now. Just because he was always humble and wanted stuff to stay in the clubhouse, and to publish a book airing "things" regardless of what they are and are not, is a bush league move by a manager many considered to be classy. Classless yes, classy not even in the slightest. And To call out ARod, who singlehandedly carried the yankees in Torre's last year- which if he didnt do- Torre wouldn't of even been offered the 5m contract offer he got from the yanks that offseason. Just seems morally wrong IMO. But maybe thats me
All this book does for me is diminishes Joe Torre's value as a yankee manager for me. Thanks for the WS runs... Much appreciated. But Torre ABUSED bullpen arms, he neglected numerous young talents. Torre was better suited as a manager who had nothing but vet players... which is why we went the direction we did for so long. So either way. Torre quickly has fallen from grace in my eyes. I was hoping that some time his #6 would be retired, but frankly id much rather see Igawa wear it now. Just because he was always humble and wanted stuff to stay in the clubhouse, and to publish a book airing "things" regardless of what they are and are not, is a bush league move by a manager many considered to be classy. Classless yes, classy not even in the slightest. And To call out ARod, who singlehandedly carried the yankees in Torre's last year- which if he didnt do- Torre wouldn't of even been offered the 5m contract offer he got from the yanks that offseason. Just seems morally wrong IMO. But maybe thats me
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Ok this is what I don't get. From like 96-00 they won 4 world series and averaged 97 wins. From 01-05, they won 0 world series and still averaged 97 wins. Look, no matter what we know these teams were flawed but come on, there's always luck involved in winning the world series. No matter how good a team is, they could somehow someway get few years of great luck and then a run of some bad luck.
The game of baseball is so unpredictable and there are just too many factors to truly win without getting some bounces or plays that go your way.
EX: Odds of Jeter backup up the throw that sailed over Tino's head and bare handing it and flipping it to Posada in order to get Giambi at home??? Very slim, but he was in the right place and he made the play and we win the game and series.
Odds that David Tyree ever plays another game or in someway becomes an actual decent wide receiver? Even though he was able to make the most memorable catch I have ever seen in my lifetime(21 years), I think it was truly luck and in the end, our NY Giants go on to win the super bowl. I will always love David Tyree, no homo, for that catch alone no matter what else happens in his career, but he will never make a catch like that again.
There are tons, like John Starks shooting 1-17 in game 7, I mean its impossible for me to fathom John Starks going 1-17 ever, let alone in the biggest game of his life. Just don't quite understand how these things could happen, but I believe that its all about luck and who gets what bounces or breaks or calls.
Anyway, TRADING A-Rod is the dumbest thing. Oh hey lets go trade our best offensive player when we already had a horrible offense last year, and then sign a player that plays a position that we already have 4 others vying for and is just plain stupid. Not only do we need to keep Alex because our offense sucked, but he still plays a very good 3b and with Teixera coming over, he will help him greatly in the offense and if it rebounds to 900+, then we will be a very very good team.
BTW, Joe Torry sucks. He inherited a great young team and just guided it to 4 ws in 5 years. Give that team to any manager and I guarantee we win a hell of a lot more the 5 following years. He ruins bullpens, ruined young kids by playing them sporadically and never believing in them. He did things the old school way and didnt use any new technology a lot of the people use these days like in-depth scouting reports and baa certain pitchers. He's not a good in game manager either, just got put in the right situation at the right time.
The game of baseball is so unpredictable and there are just too many factors to truly win without getting some bounces or plays that go your way.
EX: Odds of Jeter backup up the throw that sailed over Tino's head and bare handing it and flipping it to Posada in order to get Giambi at home??? Very slim, but he was in the right place and he made the play and we win the game and series.
Odds that David Tyree ever plays another game or in someway becomes an actual decent wide receiver? Even though he was able to make the most memorable catch I have ever seen in my lifetime(21 years), I think it was truly luck and in the end, our NY Giants go on to win the super bowl. I will always love David Tyree, no homo, for that catch alone no matter what else happens in his career, but he will never make a catch like that again.
There are tons, like John Starks shooting 1-17 in game 7, I mean its impossible for me to fathom John Starks going 1-17 ever, let alone in the biggest game of his life. Just don't quite understand how these things could happen, but I believe that its all about luck and who gets what bounces or breaks or calls.
Anyway, TRADING A-Rod is the dumbest thing. Oh hey lets go trade our best offensive player when we already had a horrible offense last year, and then sign a player that plays a position that we already have 4 others vying for and is just plain stupid. Not only do we need to keep Alex because our offense sucked, but he still plays a very good 3b and with Teixera coming over, he will help him greatly in the offense and if it rebounds to 900+, then we will be a very very good team.
BTW, Joe Torry sucks. He inherited a great young team and just guided it to 4 ws in 5 years. Give that team to any manager and I guarantee we win a hell of a lot more the 5 following years. He ruins bullpens, ruined young kids by playing them sporadically and never believing in them. He did things the old school way and didnt use any new technology a lot of the people use these days like in-depth scouting reports and baa certain pitchers. He's not a good in game manager either, just got put in the right situation at the right time.

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ok get rid of A-rod, find a player that will have that many hr, rbi, etc, without issues, until then, stop talkin crap about A-rod...
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apparently this book has a lot info on people other than arod (like brown, randy, etc))

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I heard the Randy Johnson diss was something along the lines of him not being a guy who can step it up and carry when his team needs him. You know, because Joe apparently wasn't watching when Unit shut down the Yankee offense repeatedly in the 2001 series.
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ive read reports that even Mo is brought up in this book too
i dunno, but i think torre just got erased from a lot of christmas gift lists
i dunno, but i think torre just got erased from a lot of christmas gift lists

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I don't think this book will be a big deal. I mean every Yankee will be asked about it on the first day of spring training but after they answer, what then? There is a new manager and the guys in the locker room probably already knew all of this stuff. I think it would be more damaging to the Dodger locker room. All the players there will probably wonder if they can trust him or not. -Jitpal
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Jitpal wrote: I think it would be more damaging to the Dodger locker room. All the players there will probably wonder if they can trust him or not. -Jitpal
This never ever crossed my mind... but DEF A VALID POINT... The Dodgers might have a hard time signing free agent now... cause many players dont like the passive style torre has to begin with, now the trust issue...
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yeah even i was a arod hater but lets face it.. Arod isnt the team. We have ALOT of players who should carry this team and none of them did anything to help. i believe it was 2 years ago when it was arods fault. cause jeter jason and bobby was hitting good but arod would always mess that up with his double plays... But last time no one on this yankee team could hit the ball. so to put it all on arod still is just crazy.
I hope arod carrys us in the playoffs and lets see how many people start to jump on the arod is the man bandwagon.
I hope arod carrys us in the playoffs and lets see how many people start to jump on the arod is the man bandwagon.
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Lconte17 wrote:Jitpal wrote: I think it would be more damaging to the Dodger locker room. All the players there will probably wonder if they can trust him or not. -Jitpal
This never ever crossed my mind... but DEF A VALID POINT... The Dodgers might have a hard time signing free agent now... cause many players dont like the passive style torre has to begin with, now the trust issue...
Good point. I hadnt thought of that. I wouldnt want to play for a coach I couldnt trust or respect....and after this book, I lost all respect for Joe Torre. Even if every word in the book is true, you dont violate the trust and confidence of guys that you at one time or another considered to be friends.