Bynum's foul on Wallace

[GSWhoopfan]

i only use Kobe because hes elite. im not using Kobe just for the sake of it. notice i said LeBron as well.

just putting your elbow out doesnt do that kind of damage. following through with your elbow can create damage. Bynums elbow went through a motion to cause that kind of injury. its like getting an elbow. just rubbing an elbow to your eye doesnt cause a gash.

[GSWhoopfan]

wasnt trying to start anything here. just stating a point. didnt mean to classify all lakers in one bucket.

but as far as i go...if that was Monta Ellis getting a broken rib and a collapsed lung...i dont care what it is, id think it was a cheap foul and dirty.

Monte got hurt riding a moped, he had resigned for 66 million dollars, YOU SHOULD BE PISSED AT HIM FOR BEING STUPID and lying about it.
Dont sit here and compare these two players to one and other, Monte is an idiot form the get go....... Wallace got hurt on a dumb play.

i wanted his contract terminated. i forgot trying to attack the rim is a dumb play. wasnt aware of that.

im not trying to attack anyone in here. dont take it so personal.

[microfib4thewin]

I know many people hate the Lakers, but throwing out the assumption that all Laker fans will cry foul if Kobe gets injured is a dumb argument to justify people calling out 10 game suspensions on Bynum and label him as a dirty player. I don't care if God curses whoever injured Kobe, fact of the matter is, Bynum has no history of committing hard fouls that would injure someone, and considering how passive his defense was until a week ago you are pretty much saying Bynum became an underhanded player in a week time, that's pretty damn unbelievable for anyone. Most Laker fans agreed Bynum should get a 1 or 2 game suspension because it's a dangerous act, he could have done something differently but was too indecisive to foul correctly. It should be left alone at that, but I still see that thread in GD still going on in flames.

[haterade]

Your making no sense at all, and you keep bringing up Kobe just like very other basher.
Well heres an example, when Raja Bell Necktied Kobe with his WWF Choke hold, what happened to Raja.
Bell was suspended for one game and the league called said it was "for unnecessary and excessive contact" ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME.
Now you sit here and call for a Ban, sure brah, while were at it why dont we take his first born too, or better yet suspend the entire team for the remainder of the season.
If Raja got one game then this is just a slap on the wrist if you want to bring up Kobe.

You gotta remember the elbow that Kobe gave Raja earlier in the game, and Kobe has done his own attacks on peoples throats like what happened to Mike Miller.

I never called for a ban brah, but he deserves a suspension. You should never throw your elbows out like that when your running and you should never hip check anyone in the air. That is just a recipe for disaster. These are basics that everyone in basketball should know.

What GSWhoopfan was saying that there are different rules for players on the floor, if this was Kobe, Lebron, Paul, or Wade. The player who did that to them would have been ejected on the spot and a suspension would follow quickly.

[Luxury]

First of all, I'm a Laker fan.

Second, Bynum's not a dirty player.

Lastly, that was a dirty play.

End of discussion.

[what would jack bauer do?]

You gotta remember the elbow that Kobe gave Raja earlier in the game, and Kobe has done his own attacks on peoples throats like what happened to Mike Miller.

Kobe went after Mike Miller cause he used an "unnatural movement" against Kobe that required stitches. Did Mike Miller get suspended like Kobe did for two games when Kobe did the same "unnatural movement" to try and draw a foul? No.

The league isn't too consistent and there are many examples of nonsuspensions that should have been suspensions. The league is extremely inconsistent. I think this Bynum foul is just like Horfords foul. If the precedent is you get a 1 game suspension for the type of play Horford had then I guess Bynum should get a 1 game suspension; you gotta protect the players. I wouldnt be suprised if Bynum doesnt get a suspension though.

Ariza takes shots midair all the time he doesnt get injured though... if he gets injured someone should expect a suspension too.

[Danny Darko]

Your making no sense at all, and you keep bringing up Kobe just like very other basher.
Well heres an example, when Raja Bell Necktied Kobe with his WWF Choke hold, what happened to Raja.
Bell was suspended for one game and the league called said it was "for unnecessary and excessive contact" ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME.
Now you sit here and call for a Ban, sure brah, while were at it why dont we take his first born too, or better yet suspend the entire team for the remainder of the season.
If Raja got one game then this is just a slap on the wrist if you want to bring up Kobe.

You gotta remember the elbow that Kobe gave Raja earlier in the game, and Kobe has done his own attacks on peoples throats like what happened to Mike Miller.

I never called for a ban brah, but he deserves a suspension. You should never throw your elbows out like that when your running and you should never hip check anyone in the air. That is just a recipe for disaster. These are basics that everyone in basketball should know.

What GSWhoopfan was saying that there are different rules for players on the floor, if this was Kobe, Lebron, Paul, or Wade. The player who did that to them would have been ejected on the spot and a suspension would follow quickly.

What about the play on Pau? No less of a foul other than Bynum was the biggest thing on the court. It was a bad ackward attempt to wrap him up.

Suspend, yes 1-3 games. He's young and you can't let anyone develop a sense that hammering people is accepted league wide, but there is just a ton of butt-hurt lame whining going on in this thread and I understand a fans homerism, we all have some of that, but seriously.

Regarding different rules: Hey when a guy is a walking injury there is a certain tendency to say, "he's fragile". Kobe gets hammered all the time no one has been suspended to my knowledge since Raja Bell who did fully unleash an angry cheap shot. So I don't see that big a disparity.

[LLcoleJ]

I am too lazy to type this over, but here are my thoughts on this subject that I posted in another thread.

I wrote:

I think some people here are getting hung up on 'intent' Yes, he intentionally tried to foul him. In fact, I was screaming at the TV ... rotate on him, foul him!!! I certainly didnt want him to get hurt and even more have this serious of an injury. My thoughts are with him and I hope he gets better.

If Bynum needs to be punished for the result then so be it. I have no beef. However, he did not intentionally hurt him. He intentionally fouled him that lead to a terrible consequence/result.

When I saw the injury reply over and over it looked like he might have had his worst collision when his body hit the floor with his elbow being between the floor and his body. That is my guess when the lung collapse happened. Anyway, it doesnt matter. He got hurt bad and I hope he pulls through ok and is back on the court soon.

Yes, Bynum intentionally fouled him. He did not intentionally and maliciously want to hurt him. Suspend him if needed, but lets not go label Bynum a dirty player just yet.

[hermes]

First of all, I'm a Laker fan.

Second, Bynum's not a dirty player.

Lastly, that was a dirty play.

End of discussion.

i like it, simple and easy to remember

[doozyj]

First of all, I'm a Laker fan.

Second, Bynum's not a dirty player.

Lastly, that was a dirty play.

End of discussion.

I too am a Laker fan, for 28 years.

Second, Bynum is not a diry player. It takes a history to become 'dirty".

Lastly, it was a frustration play that ended worse than he meant to happen and I am sure he feels bad about it.

[Erik Eleven]

I agree with Phil. And DEEP3CL, and DD, and Sedale Threatt, and CelticsfanSinceBirth. The rest of you, not so much.

[civic10sec]

Bynum was called for a flagrant foul and an NBA spokesman said the league is reviewing the play to determine whether further discipline should be administered. However, Brown doesn’t advocate a suspension or upgrading the foul to the more-serious Flagrant-2 level.

“That kid waited at our bus, trying to get to Gerald, and he apologized to me,’’ Brown said. “If he had a history of that (rough play), I might feel different, but I just think it was a hard foul.’’

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/story/502200.html

[Anklebreaker702]

There was no ill intent there at all. Drew actually didn't intend to hit him with his elboe IMO Wallace jumped towards him so quickly Drew didn't get his fore arm in position in time thus the elbow hit him 1st. There was no look of malice on Drew's face at all & as B_Y_N_U_M stated Drew even went to help him up. I really hate to see those freak injuries like that. It was definately a flagrant 1 because Drew didn't play the ball but he wasn't trying to hurt him

Gerald Wallace is a very good player & I hate something like that had to happen to him especially at the hand of the Lakers. I have never liked dirty players & never will & Drew isn't 1 of them. We wish you a speedy recovery Gerald. Get well soon.

The Lakers really don't have any history of dirty players, I actually can't remember 1 (If someone else can please correct me) and I wouldn't want a player like that to this day. We win with skill & heart & I don't think we will break that mold anytime soon.

[what would jack bauer do?]

both the hosts on pardon the interruption said the play didn't look like a dirty player every time they've seen it. In slow motion or real time.

Its just an unfortunate play.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRhNzT9dfrI

Should lebron have gotten a suspension for that play? He doesn't even look like he's playing the ball in the rewind, but we could all tell what his intention was. You can tell what Bynum's intention was. If Wade got a bloody nose or sprained neck from that play would Lebron have gotten suspended? Sometimes legit plays just end up happening the wrong way. That's what happened last night.

[The Laker Kid]

It's about time we get physical. I hope Pau learned something..

[The Laker Kid]

The Lakers really don't have any history of dirty players, I actually can't remember 1 (If someone else can please correct me) and I wouldn't want a player like that to this day. We win with skill & heart & I don't think we will break that mold anytime soon.

Agreed. Dennis Rodman, Isiah Rider and Karl Malone were never really dirty players. Their opponents just flop a lot

[slickgreek]

Heres an interesting video for you guys, on a couple plays last year especially the one with Ronny Turiaf against the Warriors...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xoxw7unfpUU

Or Turiaf against Utah in the playoffs last year. Similar incident of what Bynum did
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_fXjIqyqkQ

[aceunc111]

Charlotte Fan here....

This was an unfortunate situation. I don't feel it was meant to hurt him. He just didn't want dunked on or make the play easy. Which EVERY big man should do. It's unfortunate that Wallace was hurt. The foul was definitely flagrant (which it was called)..but you can't suspend a guy for being lazy (Bynum didn't get over in time to get in front of Wallace).....my only issue...Why is a KNOWN shot blocker and a very good shot blocker not trying to stuff the dunk back in wallace's face? I would have to bet/guess that if someone went up against Okafor, he'd be trying to block the shot. Anyways, just lazy, definitely intentional (which was called) but not suspendable play. Just my two cents

[Danny Darko]

Charlotte Fan here....

This was an unfortunate situation. I don't feel it was meant to hurt him. He just didn't want dunked on or make the play easy. Which EVERY big man should do. It's unfortunate that Wallace was hurt. The foul was definitely flagrant (which it was called)..but you can't suspend a guy for being lazy (Bynum didn't get over in time to get in front of Wallace).....my only issue...Why is a KNOWN shot blocker and a very good shot blocker not trying to stuff the dunk back in wallace's face? I would have to bet/guess that if someone went up against Okafor, he'd be trying to block the shot. Anyways, just lazy, definitely intentional (which was called) but not suspendable play. Just my two cents

Well I think your answer is that Andrew hasn't fully regained his stamina from the knee injury and that over the last few games he's been playing big minutes and either putting up major numbers or working hard against Duncan. I think he was just out of gas at the moment. I agree he didn't set himself up for a block, but I don't think his legs had any juice and you can see that even in the intentional foul by the way he awkwardly makes contact. If he had more energy I think he would at the very least protect himself better than he did with positioning but he's half bent over during the foul.