Wed 28: Wizards vs. Heat

[nate33]

I've gotta disagree with you Nate. Yes, we are that bad.

Except Haywood, we're the same exact team that won 43 games last year and swept Miami. Miami has lost Shaq and added Chalmers and Beasley since then. I don't see that being worth 25+ points.

[fishercob]

I'm re-watching last night's game (no idea why).

With 2:41 remaining in the 4th quarter, the Wizards are down by 19.

Both Jamison and Butler are on the floor.

I'd like anyone who supports this coach or thinks we're "showcasing" our vets to tell me how this makes sense.

Even if you ARE showcasing your vets, you don't do it to this extent. You ALWAYS play young guys when you're getting blown out and there's less than 5 minutes. ALWAYS.

Indefensible in my mind, and I'm generally an EG supporter.

[DCZards]

Under Eddie: 1 and 10. .100 win PCT

Under Tanks: 8 and 26 .300 win PCT

Glad to see how proud you are of Tapps "outstanding" record. Truth is, given more time EJ would have righted the ship, just like he did when the team started 0-5 last season and went on to make the playoffs.

I'm not saying this would be a playoff team with EJ at the helm. In fact I doubt that very much. But take a look at the body language of the players and listen to some of the comments and you'll realize that many of them have quit on Tapps, something they never did--or would have done--under EJ.

Enjoy your tanking.

[Dat2U]

I don't know what you guys are whining about. You got what you wanted...EJ fired. Now, you have a team that's playing even worse than it would be under EJ's leadership. Isn't that the "tanking" you guys love so much?

LOL, you come back from the dead to post this?

So were 9-36 instead of 12-33. Big whoop. A change needed to be made. Now obviously, Ernie deserves alot of flack for the choice he made as a replacement, but honestly, this was a long term move. E-Tap won't be coaching this team next season.

Eddie Jordan had five years to do something about the defense. Instead, it only got worse year after year after year. You spend the first five seasons coaching the Wizards and have a below .500 record to show for it and then you start off the season 1-10, you can expect to get fired.

EJ had plenty of chances and opportunities. What makes him different from any other coach in the league? This is a results oriented profession. You win - you keep your job, you lose - your fired...damn the excuses.

THERE IS NOT ANOTHER TEAM IN THE NBA THAT WOULD HAVE KEPT A COACH FOR FIVE YEARS WITH LESS TO SHOW FOR IT THAN WHAT EDDIE JORDAN HAS DONE. You said yourself "a coach is ultimately judged by wins and losses" and Jordan has a 196-214 record as Wizard coach. No coach had a longer leash than Jordan so no matter what you say about his "leadership", it doesn't hold weight IMO.

[Dat2U]

I've gotta disagree with you Nate. Yes, we are that bad.

Except Haywood, we're the same exact team that won 43 games last year and swept Miami. Miami has lost Shaq and added Chalmers and Beasley since then. I don't see that being worth 25+ points.

Well we all know how important Haywood is. Also a relatively productive AD being swapped out for a DOA version of AD and then a journeyman scrub in Mike James doesn't help. DeShawn returning to DeSuck status doesn't help either. Roger Mason would have been nice but honestly I doubt he makes much of a difference on this team. Basically along with Wood being gone, our backcourt is "not passable".

And remember, Miami didn't have a healthy Wade last year. He was no where near the player he is right now. That makes a world of difference. Take Wade off Miami and they probably have half of our win total right now.

[JWizmentality]

Under Eddie: 1 and 10. .100 win PCT

Under Tanks: 8 and 26 .300 win PCT

Glad to see how proud you are of Tapps "outstanding" record. Truth is, given more time EJ would have righted the ship, just like he did when the team started 0-5 last season and went on to make the playoffs.

I'm not saying this would be a playoff team with EJ at the helm. In fact I doubt that very much. But take a look at the body language of the players and listen to some of the comments and you'll realize that many of them have quit on Tapps, something they never did--or would have done--under EJ.

Enjoy your tanking.

You're a Lehman Brothers CEO aren't you.


EPIC FAIL

[DCZards]

LOL, you come back from the dead to post this?

"Back from the dead?" I don't think so! Just because I'm not posting doesn't mean I'm not reading...everyday. In fact, I've enjoyed the whining posts by the "Dirty Thirty" (or whatever the EJ haters called themselves.) You guys should start calling yourselves the "Miserable Thirty."

[Wizards2Lottery]

Truth is, given more time EJ would have righted the ship, just like he did when the team started 0-5 last season and went on to make the playoffs.

Truth is? More like your opinion is.

Enjoy your tanking.

It's a lot more enjoyable without Eddie at the helm

[yungal07]

Jeezus H Crist man...just let it go. It's okay. You're the only one with sour grapes around here.

[DCZards]

Man WTF is Juan Dixon doing? Good lord...

LOL why are the starters still in? WTF is the damn point...

Sour grapes? Not hardly. I'm having too much fun enjoying your frustration!

[yungal07]

Man WTF is Juan Dixon doing? Good lord...

LOL why are the starters still in? WTF is the damn point...

Sour grapes? Not hardly. I'm having too much fun enjoying your frustration!

Why would you have fun with my frustrations? It seems to me that if you're actually a Wizards fan and not an Eddie Jordan fan, you'd be frustrated with this season. And let's not act as though I wouldn't be saying the exact same freaking thing if Eddie Jordan were coaching.

And yes, it is sour grapes, because no one in the thread said anything about Eddie Jordan in this thread before you showed up from out of nowhere. As a matter of fact, no one has mentioned EJ's name for weeks. So yes, that is sour grapes.

[Wizards2Lottery]

Don't let him bait you yungal. DCZards is nothing but an EJ fanboy. Save your arguing energy for actual Wizards fans.

[pancakes3]

my mamma said tanking is as tanking does. even if EJ does account for a few more wins (not that i'm saying he would) it wouldn't have been enough to put us in the playoff pictures. can't we all just get along?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Under Eddie: 1 and 10. .100 win PCT

Under Tanks: 8 and 26 .300 win PCT

Glad to see how proud you are of Tapps "outstanding" record. Truth is, given more time EJ would have righted the ship, just like he did when the team started 0-5 last season and went on to make the playoffs.

I'm not saying this would be a playoff team with EJ at the helm. In fact I doubt that very much. But take a look at the body language of the players and listen to some of the comments and you'll realize that many of them have quit on Tapps, something they never did--or would have done--under EJ.

Enjoy your tanking.

DCZards, I dislike Tapscott in a way I never disliked EJ. Jordan probably would have had a better record than this one by now.

It was time after 5 years coaching and one very bad start for EJ to go, but Tapscott's not as good as EJ IMO. Tapscott for reasons I really can't explain gets on my nerves. EJ had class.

[dobrojim]

nothing to do with the game in question but EJ had to go.

Tapps will be gone (as coach) at the end of the season.

DCZards and the other EJ supporters can't get around his
actual record of mediocrity in results and the fact that
he would play Etan Thomas ahead of Brendan Haywood.
nuf said.

[WizarDynasty]

nothing to do with the game in question but EJ had to go.

Tapps will be gone (as coach) at the end of the season.

DCZards and the other EJ supporters can't get around his
actual record of mediocrity in results and the fact that
he would play Etan Thomas ahead of Brendan Haywood.
nuf said.

i think someone has a case of "amnesia"..quoting an abstract Calculus the robot..lmao...before last year haywood suck big time...he fumbled the ball with poor hands....his hands were just as bad as kwame's. He couldn't dunk with one hand and missed layups and point blank range. He was a horrible defensive rebounder and he didn't have a medium range jumpshot. He was almost as bad as shaq shooting free throws. he was liek Blatche early in the season when it came to fouls because he couldn't block shots cleanly and always bumped whoever was driving. Haywood was not very good. It wasn't until last year that he really blossomed..he finally developed the ability to put the ball on teh court and actually drive without turning it over..he began dunking with one hand and hitting his medium jumpshot with regularlness. He also finally knew where he was suppose to be on offense and defense and directed everyone on defense where they needed to go. Before last season, Haywood was very childish and would slack running the court on offense and defense and would get in arguments with Kwame Brown on the bench. "He was teh reason EJ elected Jamison as captain since Jamison was the only person Haywood respected and wanted Jamison respect--so even Haywood can be blamed for why Jamison is still here". It wasn't until last year that Haywood finally started to "get it and turn himself into an allstar". It wasn't until last season that Haywood could actually grab are rebound with only one hand because his hands were so bad. It wasn't until i recommend him to practice dribbling up and down the court so that his finger tips would get used to ball since all he did before that was try and catch the ball and shoot but since he never dribbled the ball extensively for his entire career..typical post player..he never developed finger sensitivity for ball pressure. EJ's only source of motivation for Haywood to work harder was reducing his minutes. EJ is a huge reason why both Blatche adn Haywood have developed their all around princeton skills. If not for E.J, it is very likely that these guys would be Etan or Magloire Replicas but E.J. always encourage that all players touch the ball and be able to handle it out on the perimeter..forcing even Etan to develop his dribble skills.."bigs in princeton have to dribble and pass too".
We now see that this roster had no quality starting man to man defenders one- four so the blame rests heavily on EG, not E.J. E.J. probably aided this problem by not thinking great man to man defenders were necessary to be successful but E.J. can be heavily responsible for the motivating Haywood to improve his skills as he always felt Haywood could performed better.
AGain, i dislike E.J. because he devalued the physical attributes of defensive player thinking defense was pure effort instead of getting players with the raw physical attributes to be great defenders..wingspan and lateral agility.
yes Haywood has improved tremendously..but it was because he made his agility stronger by working 1000 hours on pick and rolls strengthening his legs to stop his momentum on a dime..which translated to all other aspects of his game related to defending out in space. I love Haywood and only sadden that he has been on the wiz for five years before he really became a two way player..playing above average on both offense and defense--"only one season..and that was last season when he knew that he didn't have to compete with Etan and that if he worked hard he could earn teh starting spot...instead of having it given to him--it was ej forcing Haywood to earn minutes that made Haywood get better..always remember"...but i remember what he used to be and E.J. sacrifice years to develop him and only harvested the fruits of his labor for one season.
The problem of this team is EG love for acquiring Bigs and forwards with poor defensive lateral acceleration..which are fatal flaws that are almost impossible to improve. Took Haywood almost a decade to get to point where his agility was slightly above average and this attribute is difference between a player getting a charge and not getting called for an easy foul.
McGee is going to take McGee close to a decade to get his agility where it needs to be...that's if he works really hard...which is why you want to select a player who's agility is already developed before they enter the NBA because you save yourself years of work and years of useless defensive fouls due to poor "man to man defense on the perimeter."

[miller31time]

Haywood is not a horrible defensive rebounder. He doesn't average a lot of them because he's the one responsible for actually forcing the missed shot (something the Wizards do quite well when Brendan is on the floor). It also explains Jamison being able to amass a career high in rebounds per game back in 07-08.

[WizarDynasty]

Haywood is not a horrible defensive rebounder. He doesn't average a lot of them because he's the one responsible for actually forcing the missed shot (something the Wizards do quite well when Brendan is on the floor). It also explains Jamison being able to amass a career high in rebounds per game back in 07-08.

I agree that the reason Jamison has gotten high rebounds solely of haywood forcing the miss. But it wasn't until last season that Haywood had some of the worst hands in the league. He couldn't catch a pass..and always had to bring it down low just to get a grib on it and allow short guards to pluck it away from him. Horrible hands until last season...which is when he learned to dribble very well. he couldn't grab a rebound without using both hands and even then he would fumble it. Last Offseason was when he really turned into allstar..when he began hitting his medium range jumpshots...and remember last season was the first time we saw him make reverse layups off of dribble drives. There was a point when Etan had better post moves than Haywood...honest truth. That's when I became a Haywood Junkie.

[dobrojim]

I'd waste less of my time if I logged in right away so I wouldn't
see posts from people who have earned being ignored.

WizDyn,

are you actually going to argue that Etan deserved to play ahead
of BTH?

It's things like this which earn you the disdain of thinking Wiz fans
everywhere

edit to add - almost everything you claim in your very poorly formatted
with tons of misspelled words post has been debunked with actual data.
In short, you have no idea what you are talking about.