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Do you even watch any of those PG play?
CP3 / DW is the next generation of uber PG
JK = please
TP = has improved considerably and would be debatable, but switch Nash and Parker around and i guarantee you Nash will look better. Amare is no Duncan...
CB = Solid PG but i don't see how he is 'better'
DH = this is the Mcgrady effect here, he's a young promising guard but honestly NJ (aside from VC) don't have anyone running anything. As Mcgrady proved in Orlando if you hog the ball long enough and jackshots whenever you want then you become an all star.
JC = Lawl, seriously and i'm also a Raps fan... you even watch raptors?
RR = If nash is a product of the uber offensive scheme, then Rondo is a product of an uber defensive team.
JN = your kidding right?
Porter came in and told Nash to stop running and dump it inside, he doesn't run an open ended system hence his pt/ast is down from last year. Does that mean he is a lesser player then he was last year? Not really, every so often you see flashes of the old Nash when he is allowed to do his old ****, give him a new system and things will run smoother. Your all star argument is irrelevant.
CP3 / DW is the next generation of uber PG
JK = please
TP = has improved considerably and would be debatable, but switch Nash and Parker around and i guarantee you Nash will look better. Amare is no Duncan...
CB = Solid PG but i don't see how he is 'better'
DH = this is the Mcgrady effect here, he's a young promising guard but honestly NJ (aside from VC) don't have anyone running anything. As Mcgrady proved in Orlando if you hog the ball long enough and jackshots whenever you want then you become an all star.
JC = Lawl, seriously and i'm also a Raps fan... you even watch raptors?
RR = If nash is a product of the uber offensive scheme, then Rondo is a product of an uber defensive team.
JN = your kidding right?
Porter came in and told Nash to stop running and dump it inside, he doesn't run an open ended system hence his pt/ast is down from last year. Does that mean he is a lesser player then he was last year? Not really, every so often you see flashes of the old Nash when he is allowed to do his old ****, give him a new system and things will run smoother. Your all star argument is irrelevant.
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DrFunk wrote:Do you even watch any of those PG play?
CP3 / DW is the next generation of uber PG
JK = please
TP = has improved considerably and would be debatable, but switch Nash and Parker around and i guarantee you Nash will look better. Amare is no Duncan...
CB = Solid PG but i don't see how he is 'better'
DH = this is the Mcgrady effect here, he's a young promising guard but honestly NJ (aside from VC) don't have anyone running anything. As Mcgrady proved in Orlando if you hog the ball long enough and jackshots whenever you want then you become an all star.
JC = Lawl, seriously and i'm also a Raps fan... you even watch raptors?
RR = If nash is a product of the uber offensive scheme, then Rondo is a product of an uber defensive team.
JN = your kidding right?
Porter came in and told Nash to stop running and dump it inside, he doesn't run an open ended system hence his pt/ast is down from last year. Does that mean he is a lesser player then he was last year? Not really, every so often you see flashes of the old Nash when he is allowed to do his old ****, give him a new system and things will run smoother. Your all star argument is irrelevant.
Jason Kidd = please? i don tthink so, hence he has a better record. And I dont know but hes friends with this guy named Defense, Maybe Nash should meet him. LAWL.
How is Chauncey not better than Nash? doesnt he have a better record right now? and wait.. does he have a FINALS mvp?
CP3/DW like you said is beyond Nash's league.
And Devins Harris is def a better PG right now, hence he made all-star team.
Parker liek you said has improved tremendously, and he has been playing way better than nash, hence he made the all star team as well.
Btw when watching the Sun's under D'antoni system, i Could just imagine how good they would've been with somebody like Kidd. If kidd had players such as marion,amare,bell,barbosa around him he wouldve won a championship. I mean common he took K-mart and Kittles ( i bet you never even heard of him) to the Championships with a similar Run n Gun style.
The others? fine i wont argue, but that already makes top 5 Pgs. Jason , Devin, CP3, DW and Parker. Thanks.


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I just think most of the people on this board just have too much blind faith for a guy like Nash.
There were a few good possession last night where he just cost us too many plays with passes to players who normally dont get those passes. He leaves his feet way too much when he passes, and that is a recipe for disaster.
Yes he had a good number of assists, but he is costing us games where we actually have a shot at winning.
He isnt a top PG, he never was, and never will. What he gives up on defense and how he perpetually chokes in end-game situations brings him down to like what, the tenth best PG in the league?
Paul
Williams
Billups
Parker
Kidd
Harris
Heck even a guy like Fisher would be better off with this team, and we would be winning.
He dribbles out the clock on too many possessions, especially when the defensive pressure clamps up, and we as a team suffer because of it...Too many possessions where I just went "WTF was that?".
No safe and sound possessions, not enough ball movement, and too much "penetration" from Nash = Suns lose.
Its the truth...
There were a few good possession last night where he just cost us too many plays with passes to players who normally dont get those passes. He leaves his feet way too much when he passes, and that is a recipe for disaster.
Yes he had a good number of assists, but he is costing us games where we actually have a shot at winning.
He isnt a top PG, he never was, and never will. What he gives up on defense and how he perpetually chokes in end-game situations brings him down to like what, the tenth best PG in the league?
Paul
Williams
Billups
Parker
Kidd
Harris
Heck even a guy like Fisher would be better off with this team, and we would be winning.
He dribbles out the clock on too many possessions, especially when the defensive pressure clamps up, and we as a team suffer because of it...Too many possessions where I just went "WTF was that?".
No safe and sound possessions, not enough ball movement, and too much "penetration" from Nash = Suns lose.
Its the truth...
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|||-Abaddon-||| wrote:I just think most of the people on this board just have too much blind faith for a guy like Nash.
There were a few good possession last night where he just cost us too many plays with passes to players who normally dont get those passes. He leaves his feet way too much when he passes, and that is a recipe for disaster.
Yes he had a good number of assists, but he is costing us games where we actually have a shot at winning.
He isnt a top PG, he never was, and never will. What he gives up on defense and how he perpetually chokes in end-game situations brings him down to like what, the tenth best PG in the league?
Paul
Williams
Billups
Parker
Kidd
Harris
Heck even a guy like Fisher would be better off with this team, and we would be winning.
He dribbles out the clock on too many possessions, especially when the defensive pressure clamps up, and we as a team suffer because of it...Too many possessions where I just went "WTF was that?".
No safe and sound possessions, not enough ball movement, and too much "penetration" from Nash = Suns lose.
Its the truth...
+1
Finally another Suns fan that sees Nash for what he truly is.
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Both Maryvale and abbadon arent true Suns fans. Just because 2 idiots of out 150 Suns fans on here agree doesn't make Steve Nash overrated as they like to say.
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If Nash wasn't on this team Amare would be in the d-league right now, and Marion's salary wouldnt be half of what it is now. Nash is aging, but you cannot say he is the reason why we are losing, its a team effort, and right now the team is showing no effort.
Nash will be on of the top 5 PG's of all time, nobody has done what he has done on the court except maybe stockton and magic.
Nash will be on of the top 5 PG's of all time, nobody has done what he has done on the court except maybe stockton and magic.
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I don't know if he's top 5 of all time, but he's certainly top 10.
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MaryvalesFinest wrote:|||-Abaddon-||| wrote:I just think most of the people on this board just have too much blind faith for a guy like Nash.
There were a few good possession last night where he just cost us too many plays with passes to players who normally dont get those passes. He leaves his feet way too much when he passes, and that is a recipe for disaster.
Yes he had a good number of assists, but he is costing us games where we actually have a shot at winning.
He isnt a top PG, he never was, and never will. What he gives up on defense and how he perpetually chokes in end-game situations brings him down to like what, the tenth best PG in the league?
Paul
Williams
Billups
Parker
Kidd
Harris
Heck even a guy like Fisher would be better off with this team, and we would be winning.
He dribbles out the clock on too many possessions, especially when the defensive pressure clamps up, and we as a team suffer because of it...Too many possessions where I just went "WTF was that?".
No safe and sound possessions, not enough ball movement, and too much "penetration" from Nash = Suns lose.
Its the truth...
+1
Finally another Suns fan that sees Nash for what he truly is.
Nash gave us 4 best years ever when Dantoni was here, so please shut your pie hole. I'm really sick of people like you. You're not a Suns fan and will never be one so just leave and stop posting meaningless threads.
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So who are you exactly to tell people if they can post or not?
Seriously if you think Steve Nash is the greatest thing since sliced bread and the best player in the league, that's your opinion. Don't get mad when people disagree with you though.

Seriously if you think Steve Nash is the greatest thing since sliced bread and the best player in the league, that's your opinion. Don't get mad when people disagree with you though.
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The thing is everyone here disagrees with you mary except your boyfriend Abbadon. Nobody here likes you and yet you think people are on your side and everyone agrees with you. When will you finally realize that you aren't a true Suns fan and only post threads when we go on a losing streak.
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|||-Abaddon-||| wrote:He dribbles out the clock on too many possessions, especially when the defensive pressure clamps up, and we as a team suffer because of it...Too many possessions where I just went "WTF was that?".
No safe and sound possessions, not enough ball movement, and too much "penetration" from Nash = Suns lose.
Funny how this wasn't never an issue when MikeD was here.
With Porter's "style", there really isn't enough room for Nash to penetrate. Heck, we aren't even giving one of the best shooter in the game enough open looks at the basket. But I think he's been adjusting well to Porter's "style", he's averaging 12.1 assists and about 3.7 turnovers this month. Nash should be the last person to blame on this team's struggle.

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nash is one of the best offensive PG in history and a future hall of famer. hands down!
hes has made so many things possible for the suns that the guys shouting for a trade just should pause a moment and be a bit classier and more thankfull.
hes has made so many things possible for the suns that the guys shouting for a trade just should pause a moment and be a bit classier and more thankfull.
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First of all you Suns fans are way too love with Nash to admit the truth. Lets get some things straight. THERES NOTHING wrong with people coming here and expressing there ideas, thats why Boards are created, so people can Post ideas and people can respond, Not everything in life goes your way or with what you think. and for my "idea" Nash is a good point guard, once top 3 now hes about top 15. Things change, Jordan was the best player in the NBA, if he returns now he probably wouldn't even be top 10. And again Nash was once a great point guard, but def not a Legend, he'll be forgotten in the next generations along with other all-stars who did not make a big impact that players such as Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan , Shaq and KG has made ( and i hate 3/4 of those players i just mentioned so im not being biased). And for current situations face it, Suns wont win a championship under Nash. Trust me. Time to move on and get over it.
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Jason Kidd = please? i don tthink so, hence he has a better record. And I dont know but hes friends with this guy named Defense, Maybe Nash should meet him. LAWL.
Sorry trying to understand what your saying here. " I don tthinkso, hence he has a better record." ? Dallas = 26W - 19 L, Phx = 25 W - 19 L, so your saying that Mavs have a better record because they played 1 extra game and happened to have won it, and that they won that game because JK is best buddies with a guy named Defense? Then because of all that JK > Nash right? Ok good logic.
How is Chauncey not better than Nash? doesnt he have a better record right now? and wait.. does he have a FINALS mvp?
I said CB was a good PG but i don't see how he is "better", why don't you try to quantify your statement and back it up with something. Your whole argument hinges on "doesn't he have a better record?" I'll ask you : Isn't the NBA played as a TEAM? Isn't detroit in the EAST? isn't the finals MVP as irrelevant as having 2X reg season MVP?
CP3/DW like you said is beyond Nash's league.
I didn't say it's beyond Nash's league I said they are the next generation of uber PG.
And Devins Harris is def a better PG right now, hence he made all-star team.
What area is he def better? Or is this one of your gut feeling analysis? Wait let me apply your (Please Use More Appropriate Word) logic of team record trumps all. Hmm NJ = 20W - 27L , and yet HE makes the all star team? Because you told them he's infinitely better then Nash right? If you truly want to express an intelligent conversation there then at the least refute my argument regarding DH. I think he is overrated there because he has no star help and carries the load on offense (i.e Mcgrady effect).
Parker liek you said has improved tremendously, and he has been playing way better than nash, hence he made the all star team as well.
Why has Parker been playing way better lately ? In fact why has Parker always has been playing really well? It would have nothing to do with some random guy named Duncan right? I like how you don't offer the defense argument here? Why? Isn't Parker best buds with the guy named Defense? oh wait it's gotta be team record for this one right? Gotcha.
Btw when watching the Sun's under D'antoni system, i Could just imagine how good they would've been with somebody like Kidd. If kidd had players such as marion,amare,bell,barbosa around him he wouldve won a championship. I mean common he took K-mart and Kittles ( i bet you never even heard of him) to the Championships with a similar Run n Gun style.
Umm, not sure if we watched the same Suns game here. But let me break it down for you.
Nash vs Kidd
Court Vision = even (only homers would argue 1 is far superior then the other in this dept.)
Transition offense = even (same argument)
Passing = even (same argument)
Rebound = Kidd by a mile
Shooting = Nash by a mile
KIdd WAS a far better man on man defender then Nash could ever hope to be (he no longer is JK that is). Under the DA system however man on man D is irrelevant. You need to be able to SHOOT the damn ball. As great as JK is, he would not have been as great in Phx under DA's system because his shot was sketchy and still is sketchy.
The others? fine i wont argue, but that already makes top 5 Pgs. Jason , Devin, CP3, DW and Parker. Thanks.So watch some bball and get back at me
You failed to argue for any of those PG. So go read "How to read english for dummies" and then get back to me

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Nash has definitely taken a step back this year, but it has alot to do with the coaching and the system. He's been adjusting well though, so I don't understand why some people are so quick to throw him under the bus. We do have many problems, but Nash still is a part of what is right about this team. It's on the management to find the pieces to complement one of the best offensive player in the history of the game, Kerr failed. I remember someone had compared Kerr to Isiah Thomas. Granted we didn't take on any horrible contracts like Isiah did with the Knicks, but one thing in common - he keeps trading away role players for big name player. Marion for Shaq, and now Bell and Boris for J-Rich. I'm not ready to call the JRich trade a bad trade just yet, but it sure didn't help our chemistry, and it didn't make us playing good team basketball. This is not a knock on JRich, we just aren't using him as a threat in our offense. Sometimes I wonder do Kerr even communicate with his buddy Porter before making the trade. Is Kerr happy with the way Porter using JRich?
To the Nash vs Kidd thing...in their prime I'd probably give a slight nod to Nash. I do believe in the importance of defense and Kidd has the ability to dominate both the glass and guard position at the defensive end in addition to his abilities as a playmaker, but his scoring is really hit or miss, mostly miss...Nash, on the other hand, might be one of the best shooter in the game, while his defense is average at best, he takes the occasional charge and come up with hustle plays. They're both great PG and will be remember for a long long time and I can certainly understand people going either way.
To the Nash vs Kidd thing...in their prime I'd probably give a slight nod to Nash. I do believe in the importance of defense and Kidd has the ability to dominate both the glass and guard position at the defensive end in addition to his abilities as a playmaker, but his scoring is really hit or miss, mostly miss...Nash, on the other hand, might be one of the best shooter in the game, while his defense is average at best, he takes the occasional charge and come up with hustle plays. They're both great PG and will be remember for a long long time and I can certainly understand people going either way.

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C'mon this is ridiculous? I feel like I'm in a country that wont allow you talk about its political dictator.
You guys taunt the fact that Amare should be traded, how much he sucks and how he doesnt rebound or take over when he needs to, but I cant post a comment on Nash and the glaring holes in his game?
The fact that he is an overrated, unathletic PG? The fact that he dribbles the clock out of possessions? How he leaves his feet to make (failed) passes in critical moments? How he doesnt want to shoot (because he is a great shooter) to keep defenses guessing? How he tries to play defense, but in all honesty, we are better off with Brevin Knight guarding opposing PG's?
The fact that he wont and never will lead this team to a bloody title? (knocks on wood)
If we trade Nash for someone, ANYONE with good talent and a huge pair of cohones, we become contenders...
Just remember every single time the Suns have lost, the ball was in Nash's hands...
Look I want the Suns to win as much as the next guy. But maybe being a new Suns fan has given me another perspective as to why the Suns are so cursed, and that just happens to be Nash IMO.
I've grown up watching winning basketball, watching Shaq lead 4 teams to finals and winning. Winning on SAFE, SECURE and WELL EXECUTED offensive possessions that weren't reliant on a PG to generate points. Much like how the Spurs run their offense, they take quality shots and we dont, and they win and will continue to win.
But this is a luxury that we have Nash, as great as a distributor as he is, he is an even better shooter (not a good driving game WHATSOEVER) and he must be utilized.
Don't hate me for not liking Nash, I believe I have every right to hate him and express how he hurts this team. Just like you all do (as do I) with STAT.
If you do decide to hate me, then please aknowledge the possibilty that the reason this team cant get over the hump IS THE MAN WITH THE BALL IN HIS HANDS AT THE END OF THE GAME.
You guys taunt the fact that Amare should be traded, how much he sucks and how he doesnt rebound or take over when he needs to, but I cant post a comment on Nash and the glaring holes in his game?
The fact that he is an overrated, unathletic PG? The fact that he dribbles the clock out of possessions? How he leaves his feet to make (failed) passes in critical moments? How he doesnt want to shoot (because he is a great shooter) to keep defenses guessing? How he tries to play defense, but in all honesty, we are better off with Brevin Knight guarding opposing PG's?
The fact that he wont and never will lead this team to a bloody title? (knocks on wood)
If we trade Nash for someone, ANYONE with good talent and a huge pair of cohones, we become contenders...
Just remember every single time the Suns have lost, the ball was in Nash's hands...
Look I want the Suns to win as much as the next guy. But maybe being a new Suns fan has given me another perspective as to why the Suns are so cursed, and that just happens to be Nash IMO.
I've grown up watching winning basketball, watching Shaq lead 4 teams to finals and winning. Winning on SAFE, SECURE and WELL EXECUTED offensive possessions that weren't reliant on a PG to generate points. Much like how the Spurs run their offense, they take quality shots and we dont, and they win and will continue to win.
But this is a luxury that we have Nash, as great as a distributor as he is, he is an even better shooter (not a good driving game WHATSOEVER) and he must be utilized.
Don't hate me for not liking Nash, I believe I have every right to hate him and express how he hurts this team. Just like you all do (as do I) with STAT.
If you do decide to hate me, then please aknowledge the possibilty that the reason this team cant get over the hump IS THE MAN WITH THE BALL IN HIS HANDS AT THE END OF THE GAME.
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Abaddon, people were hard on you because you made it sound like Nash is just an average NBA PG that's overrated, and can be replace by anybody. Fact is it isn't. When you list the top ten PG in this league without Nash on it, you're going too far.
If we're to trade Nash, we aren't going to be a better team equipped to compete in the playoffs. We're going into rebuilding mode, which I'm not against. Seriously, you aren't going to get LeBron, Paul, or Wade for Nash. Nash still has alot left to offer but age is catching up on him, he's on his decline, you think teams would give us a superstar for an aging PG? And to make us better?
Nash isn't a leaper, but he IS athletic. You can't master both football and basketball if you aren't athletic.
Again, those were NOT issues under MikeD, and with a team filled with shooters and slashers.
If we're to trade Nash, we aren't going to be a better team equipped to compete in the playoffs. We're going into rebuilding mode, which I'm not against. Seriously, you aren't going to get LeBron, Paul, or Wade for Nash. Nash still has alot left to offer but age is catching up on him, he's on his decline, you think teams would give us a superstar for an aging PG? And to make us better?
The fact that he is an overrated, unathletic PG?
Nash isn't a leaper, but he IS athletic. You can't master both football and basketball if you aren't athletic.
The fact that he dribbles the clock out of possessions? How he leaves his feet to make (failed) passes in critical moments? How he doesnt want to shoot (because he is a great shooter) to keep defenses guessing?
Again, those were NOT issues under MikeD, and with a team filled with shooters and slashers.

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Abaddon you have to realize that I'm not totally against trading anyone on this team. This is an NBA team not let's keep our fav players for life league. That said however if your going to talk about how Nash needs to go then you need to offer up an alternative as to who we can get for him that "in your opinion" would solve all of our problems. We all have different opinions and ideas, that's what makes all these discussions interesting because we see a perspective we haven't thought of yet.
My personal take on the original topic of the OP, if your going to trade 1 you need to trade the other. Amare exceeded everyone's expectations on his recovery post surgery, he showed what makes him dominant on the offensive side. He improved on the 15ft jumper which is now a real part of his game, didn't really see a change on defense or rebounding. He's young and I have a feeling he'll develop his D or RB next (if his knees don't go out).
The issue I have is no matter how gifted Amare is he has the attitude of a 5 year old spoiled kid. He needs people to pat him on the back to tell him how awesome he is, he sulks when he doesn't get things his way. Ever since he got boosted to superstardom on the receiving end of 8234982427 pick and roll /dunk passes from Nash he got an overly greater opinion of himself.
So the knees + attitude problem is why I'm not too hot on keeping Amare here, his game will improve (it always has 1 thing at a time). Funny thing is if Nash gets traded now Amare's head will become 20 times bigger.
As Mkot pointed out we are NOT going to get our value for Nash. He's still got a good game for a couple of years at least but teams will play his age factor and try to undercut the return. Fact is there's more practical issues why trading Nash is a bad move. He's a phoenix cash cow, fans love him (except the few haters
), tickets,merchandise etc... his contract is dirt cheap for what he brings to the team money wise. Corporate Suns does not care about winning a ring, they are a company just like any others that is intent on making money for its shareholders. So if your going to get rid of a good investment that is a huge revenue maker then you need something back that will make up for it.
So let's see this we need someone that is :
1. Not overrated
2. Athletic PG
3. Who doesn't dribble the clock our of possessions (every single time!)
4. Who doesn't leave his feet to make failed passes in critical moments.
5. Who shoots whenever he wants to because he's a good shooter to keep the D honest.
6. Who tries to play D but can actually play D
Then add in corporate Suns:
1. Similar contract to Nash
2. Will generate the same amount of cash as Nash
I don't know about you but finding someone that fits all those things can be a huge headache
It's one thing to bitch about something (though we don't agree), it's another to actually propose a viable solution (which would actually be quite constructive).
My personal take on the original topic of the OP, if your going to trade 1 you need to trade the other. Amare exceeded everyone's expectations on his recovery post surgery, he showed what makes him dominant on the offensive side. He improved on the 15ft jumper which is now a real part of his game, didn't really see a change on defense or rebounding. He's young and I have a feeling he'll develop his D or RB next (if his knees don't go out).
The issue I have is no matter how gifted Amare is he has the attitude of a 5 year old spoiled kid. He needs people to pat him on the back to tell him how awesome he is, he sulks when he doesn't get things his way. Ever since he got boosted to superstardom on the receiving end of 8234982427 pick and roll /dunk passes from Nash he got an overly greater opinion of himself.
So the knees + attitude problem is why I'm not too hot on keeping Amare here, his game will improve (it always has 1 thing at a time). Funny thing is if Nash gets traded now Amare's head will become 20 times bigger.
As Mkot pointed out we are NOT going to get our value for Nash. He's still got a good game for a couple of years at least but teams will play his age factor and try to undercut the return. Fact is there's more practical issues why trading Nash is a bad move. He's a phoenix cash cow, fans love him (except the few haters

So let's see this we need someone that is :
The fact that he is an overrated, unathletic PG? The fact that he dribbles the clock out of possessions? How he leaves his feet to make (failed) passes in critical moments? How he doesnt want to shoot (because he is a great shooter) to keep defenses guessing? How he tries to play defense, but in all honesty, we are better off with Brevin Knight guarding opposing PG's?
1. Not overrated
2. Athletic PG
3. Who doesn't dribble the clock our of possessions (every single time!)
4. Who doesn't leave his feet to make failed passes in critical moments.
5. Who shoots whenever he wants to because he's a good shooter to keep the D honest.
6. Who tries to play D but can actually play D
Then add in corporate Suns:
1. Similar contract to Nash
2. Will generate the same amount of cash as Nash
I don't know about you but finding someone that fits all those things can be a huge headache

It's one thing to bitch about something (though we don't agree), it's another to actually propose a viable solution (which would actually be quite constructive).
Re: Hey Suns management. Trade Nash not Amar'e!
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^ How is it constructive? I have no stake in who gets traded, in fact its not constructive at all, its just a waste of time to think about trades which will never happen.....
And its not my job to trade him. All I want to do is express my pure hatred for his game, I ask you to forget about his public image, the fact that he is a nice guy, the fact that he has given the prime of his career to the Suns...and just think about how there is a very real possibility that he might be the center of our problems.
I agree with you guys to an extent, classy arguements, well though out. I just dont think its in me to like Nash, and well LOL, I think thats something constructive for me as an individual: I get to vent lol.
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And its not my job to trade him. All I want to do is express my pure hatred for his game, I ask you to forget about his public image, the fact that he is a nice guy, the fact that he has given the prime of his career to the Suns...and just think about how there is a very real possibility that he might be the center of our problems.
I agree with you guys to an extent, classy arguements, well though out. I just dont think its in me to like Nash, and well LOL, I think thats something constructive for me as an individual: I get to vent lol.
Peace
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DrFunk wrote:Jason Kidd = please? i don tthink so, hence he has a better record. And I dont know but hes friends with this guy named Defense, Maybe Nash should meet him. LAWL.
Sorry trying to understand what your saying here. " I don tthinkso, hence he has a better record." ? Dallas = 26W - 19 L, Phx = 25 W - 19 L, so your saying that Mavs have a better record because they played 1 extra game and happened to have won it, and that they won that game because JK is best buddies with a guy named Defense? Then because of all that JK > Nash right? Ok good logic.How is Chauncey not better than Nash? doesnt he have a better record right now? and wait.. does he have a FINALS mvp?
I said CB was a good PG but i don't see how he is "better", why don't you try to quantify your statement and back it up with something. Your whole argument hinges on "doesn't he have a better record?" I'll ask you : Isn't the NBA played as a TEAM? Isn't detroit in the EAST? isn't the finals MVP as irrelevant as having 2X reg season MVP?CP3/DW like you said is beyond Nash's league.
I didn't say it's beyond Nash's league I said they are the next generation of uber PG.And Devins Harris is def a better PG right now, hence he made all-star team.
What area is he def better? Or is this one of your gut feeling analysis? Wait let me apply your (Please Use More Appropriate Word) logic of team record trumps all. Hmm NJ = 20W - 27L , and yet HE makes the all star team? Because you told them he's infinitely better then Nash right? If you truly want to express an intelligent conversation there then at the least refute my argument regarding DH. I think he is overrated there because he has no star help and carries the load on offense (i.e Mcgrady effect).Parker liek you said has improved tremendously, and he has been playing way better than nash, hence he made the all star team as well.
Why has Parker been playing way better lately ? In fact why has Parker always has been playing really well? It would have nothing to do with some random guy named Duncan right? I like how you don't offer the defense argument here? Why? Isn't Parker best buds with the guy named Defense? oh wait it's gotta be team record for this one right? Gotcha.Btw when watching the Sun's under D'antoni system, i Could just imagine how good they would've been with somebody like Kidd. If kidd had players such as marion,amare,bell,barbosa around him he wouldve won a championship. I mean common he took K-mart and Kittles ( i bet you never even heard of him) to the Championships with a similar Run n Gun style.
Umm, not sure if we watched the same Suns game here. But let me break it down for you.
Nash vs Kidd
Court Vision = even (only homers would argue 1 is far superior then the other in this dept.)
Transition offense = even (same argument)
Passing = even (same argument)
Rebound = Kidd by a mile
Shooting = Nash by a mile
KIdd WAS a far better man on man defender then Nash could ever hope to be (he no longer is JK that is). Under the DA system however man on man D is irrelevant. You need to be able to SHOOT the damn ball. As great as JK is, he would not have been as great in Phx under DA's system because his shot was sketchy and still is sketchy.The others? fine i wont argue, but that already makes top 5 Pgs. Jason , Devin, CP3, DW and Parker. Thanks.So watch some bball and get back at me
You failed to argue for any of those PG. So go read "How to read english for dummies" and then get back to me
Hm you obviously don't know English, I SAID LEARN BASKETBALL THAN GET BACK AT ME. so go do that, THAN get back at me. Thanks
