I think I have changed my mind

[S.I.C. GM]

I am watching Blake Griffin.

I think I have changed my mind.

I WANT TO TANK!!!!!!!!

FIRE FRANK!!!!

TRADE VC NOW!!!!!

NO TRADES THAT HELP US!!!!

I WANT BLAKE!!!!!!

Of course, i really doubt we get the #1 pick.

[vincecarter4pres]

He's definitely a good player, looks like a Carlos Boozer clone.

I was just about to bring back an old thread......

[S.I.C. GM]

He's definitely a good player, looks like a Carlos Boozer clone.

I was just about to bring back an old thread......

I dont think Boozer was this dominant in college.

This guys is a beast. I think he is better the beasley.

[vincecarter4pres]

I don't especially like Beasley.

At best I see him as an Antawn Jamison.

[NetsForce]

The Nets would have to lose like every game left on the schedule to get Blake Griffin. I think that would break team chemistry beyond repair...

[S.I.C. GM]

The Nets would have to lose like every game left on the schedule to get Blake Griffin. I think that would break team chemistry beyond repair...

Has anyone ever told you that You are a dream killer?

[S.I.C. GM]

I say we dismantle now.

Dont Rush Yi back.
Get 3rd PG. Let Harris heal.
Trade VC for picks and youth
Trade Najera
Change offense to feature Lopez for the rest of the year so he can learn.
Hope for top 5 pick.

FIRE FRANK

[NetsForce]

The Nets would have to lose like every game left on the schedule to get Blake Griffin. I think that would break team chemistry beyond repair...

Has anyone ever told you that You are a dream killer?

No, but let me add that to the ever-growing list of things I've been called on RealGM =D...

Don't get me wrong I'd love Blake Griffin... But... It's not happening

There are some intriguing big men in this draft Griffin aside but in all honesty I would cream my pants if the Nets could add a DeRozan type wing player.

Whatever happens I just don't want the Nets to get stuck with a one-dimensional player like Stephen Curry.

[vincecarter4pres]

I don't like Derozan tto much.

He kind of just blends in.

Doesn't really wow me and his playmaking and passing leaves a lot to be desired.

I wouldn't mind Terrence Williams if we could pick up another pick late 1st round.
If this kid could ever fix his jumpshot he would be guarenteed lotto.

Earl Clark would be a great high low player to put next to Lopez and Harris.

Same with Greg Monroe, but I still think he stays one more year and even if doesn't I do not see him slipping past 7 at latest.

[Da big3]

if we get a late pick, what do u guys think of thabeet and Lopez down lo, what a defensive duo- that would be, what do we do with Yi then?...

[vincecarter4pres]

Personally, I don't like Thabeet.
He reminds me too much of Dalembert.
Low b ball IQ.
Plus him and Brook are both true centers, I don't like the idea of them logging alot of minutes together. They would get burned a lot by quicker power forwards and pick up a lot of ticky tack fouls.
That said, what a rebounding and shot blocking tandem they would be!

[60cent]

Tanking is always in the back of my mind. Like you SIC, everytime i see this big PF guys like Griffin, i feel the same way. I also feel like the team should trade VC especially after winning in Philly w/o him shows that we can still win and not just that, they rallied from a huge defecit in that game.

I think we should definitely try to get to the top 4 to get a better player and we won't get there unless we tank. Of course it will kill the entire chemistry but what's there to lose, it will kill them all anyways even if we somehow get into the playoffs because we all know that there is no way we can get out of the first round. Plus, losing more and more games might change Thorn's mind about Frank and finally axe him. (that would be the number one reason )

Landing Griffin might be slim but how about DaJuan Blair? I think this kid will do better in the NBA.

I have just one question though. If we are the next one to pick and Rubio's name is still there, would you guys pick him or pick our need instead? Let's just say that Griffin is already taken as well as Blair. The reason im asking is because i really love this guys game, i think he's the next big thing and to be honest with all of you, and i know most of you would disagree with me but it's just me so don't mind me, i would actually trade Harris to give the crown to Rubio. I can just imagine him, Lopez and whoever star we can get for Harris playing some big time basketball, Lopez' stats will go up and his game will get better, he will become a monster, just feeds off of Rubio all the time.

Dont mind me guys, im just dreaming. Im going crazy here, i almost puked myself talking about trading Harris because i like him and he's special but for Rubio, im willing risk it all. Goodnight!

[vincecarter4pres]

First off, Blair?!
Really?
This guy won't go lotto and will be lucky to get drafted top 20.
Blair, lol.

2nd, pass 1st PG's are highly overrated. When is the last time a pass 1st PG has won a championship?
Rubio looks like he will be good, but there is just so much hype around the kid.
If Jason Kidd, Steve Nash and Gary Payton, who are all HOFer's and flatout top 10 of all time PG's couldn't win a title during their prime years with solid to Allstar casts around them, what makes a pass 1st point guard below their level so important?

If we wound up with the 2nd pick I would want Monroe or James Harden.
After those 3 guys, there is no one in my eyes that is worthy of the 3rd pick with maybe the exception of a couple PG's such as Holliday, Curry and Teague.

So if Monroe didn't declare and we had the 3rd overall pick, I would probably trade down to somewhere between 5 and 10 and snag Earl Clark and something else, such as another pick and/or a player.

[deviljets7]

Depending on how he measures out, I'd be really intrigued with the idea of Jrue Holliday, though I doubt NJ would be in position to take him without trading Vince.

[60cent]

First off, Blair?!
Really?
This guy won't go lotto and will be lucky to get drafted top 20.
Blair, lol.

2nd, pass 1st PG's are highly overrated. When is the last time a pass 1st PG has won a championship?
Rubio looks like he will be good, but there is just so much hype around the kid.
If Jason Kidd, Steve Nash and Gary Payton, who are all HOFer's and flatout top 10 of all time PG's couldn't win a title during their prime years with solid to Allstar casts around them, what makes a pass 1st point guard below their level so important?

If we wound up with the 2nd pick I would want Monroe or James Harden.
After those 3 guys, there is no one in my eyes that is worthy of the 3rd pick with maybe the exception of a couple PG's such as Holliday, Curry and Teague.

So if Monroe didn't declare and we had the 3rd overall pick, I would probably trade down to somewhere between 5 and 10 and snag Earl Clark and something else, such as another pick and/or a player.

LOLLLL... You honestly think that Blair would go that low? And would be LUCKY if picked 20?
Obviously you dont know what you're talking about. This guy just had a double double again last night with 22 rebounds and 23 points, he is getting better and better every game and by draft night he will be a lottery pick. For a big guy and the best rebounder on his team, it seems like he's in every fastbreak in all the games, he is tireless. This guy can play, he knows how to hide the ball and how to use his body. He was posting better numbers than Lopez in college and many assumed Lopez would be a top 5 pick but ended up with us at 10.

One advised to you... stop looking at DraftExpress, that was just a mock, many things will be happening from now until march madness and until the draft night so dont get sold on this NBA draft mock sites. LOL.

About Rubio, this guy is not just a pass 1st PG, he is like a Magic clone. In years to come, this will be the 1st time you will ever see a pass 1st PG winning a championship. He is the real deal. Those HOF PG's you've mentioned didnt win any championship because they simply just didnt win it, they came close many times but the destiny prevented them from winning them all, that's just the very simplest explanation for that. So with that said, what are you telling me? That a shoot 1st PG are the most likeliest to win a championship? LOL. Basketball is not about just one position, it's a team game. And if you have a great chemistry along with great players and great system and coaching strategy, you can win it all. So whoever you have at PG might not matter as long as the other casts are better and will guide the PG along the way, ala Celtics with Rondo. Last year, Rondo couldn't even shoot and pass but of course, this year he's getting better at it, and they still grabbed the trophy. But with Rubio, you have a better chance of getting that trophy more than once, of course, with great teammates.

Just like what Johnny Davis said, assistant coach from the Memphies Grizzlies, when they run a play, it doesnt seem as fluid as the other better teams when they execute the same play, which means they need better players. So getting a pass 1st PG like Rubio with scoring and great defense would not hurt, heck, it will be the focal point of the game, it starts from him.

There are many Earl Clark's out there, believe me, many Monroe and James Harden but the Rubio's only comes once a decade

[NetsForce]

Rubio is not the next coming of Magic nor is he guaranteed any modicum of success when / if he decides to come to the NBA.

[vincecarter4pres]

A 6'6 center is not going lottery no matter what his stats are, sorry.
To think he has a chance to go top 3 is insanity.

Rubio isn't athletic enough to do the things Magic does and his defense is HIGHLY overrated.
Sure he should be good and an impact player, but will he even be as good as Jrue Holiday, who is guarenteed absolutley nothing either?
Plus he probably isn't coming out this year anyway.

And your comments about Earl Clark, Monroe and Harden are off base as well.
I'll give you Harden. As much as I love the kid, he isn't athletic enough to necessarily be a top 5 type of SG, but he is crafty, heady and smart and has legit size and weight to absorb contact and the such. Regardless, guys like him do come at least every couple years.

But Clark is different. Players like him do not come every year.
Same with Monroe, who might not declare anyway.

On your comment about draft express, you're wrong. I actually watch a lot of college ball and a lot of teams. Yes I look at mocks, but I have scoffed at some of their picks. I don't use them as my end all, just as one of many tools to gauge players.
Hell, I think Maynor is a lotto lock as long as he gets in the tourney.
Most sites have him as a late 1st.

I'll admit, I have only seen Blair play once or twice, but centers or power forwards who measue 6'6 DO NOT GO LOTTO, unless you're Charles Barkley. And Barkley could absolutley do it all.

There are and have been some power forwards and centers around his height that have been highly succesful, but it is rare and these guys always go late in drafts and become known as steals, look for Blair to continue this trend if he succeeds on the next level.

Your Rondo comments really mean nothing as well.
Yes he is a pass 1st PG, but he is not the focal point of his offense or truthfully even that important of a piece.
Sure ESPN and the such like to hype this kid up and off corse his teammates are going to praise him, but in all honesty he is just a very solid player who plays good defense and racks up assists by passing the ball to 3 possible HOFer's in a system devised for that.
He can't hit the side of a barn with a machine gun and you could take him out of that lineup and replace him with about 20 other point guards in the league and the C's would have still won the title. He is not a true impact player and is basically irrelevant to this discussion.

[Revolutionistt]

so I guess im on my own when I say blake is not going to be a great nba player. i dont see what the big deal is. he may be putting up monster numbers in college but when i watch him it doesnt feel like im watching a future star. there are some players you can just tell are going to be something special when you watch them, for example lebron james and dwight howard. when i watch blake griffin i see MAYBE a kenyon martin type guy.

[vincecarter4pres]

I still see Blake as a Carlos Boozer clone.
Eventually a 20 and 10 guy that can pass the ball well, plays about average defense and isn't very good at blocking shots.
Not a true franchise player, but can eventually be a major piece of a contender put next to a franchise player, a borderline Allstar and a bunch of solid role players with a solid coach.

I know 20 and 10 guys are rare, but I agree, I don't see a truly great player either.
Boozer is a very good player, but he is not a great player either. Still an impact player by far, though.
I see a lot of similarities in their game and their impact.

Not a player to scoff at and someone every team would like to have, but not all world like.