Barclays Center/Fear Prokhorov Thread

[vincecarter4pres]

See, I still feel we would become profitable in Newark.

[VCRJKidd15]

See, I still feel we would become profitable in Newark.

what wouild make the difference by moving this team like 10 minutes away?

[vincecarter4pres]

See, I still feel we would become profitable in Newark.

what wouild make the difference by moving this team like 10 minutes away?

I'm not even being a sarcastic prick, I am being serious:
A)Do you live in New Jersey or in the area?
B)Have you been to any Nets games
C)How old are you?

[VCRJKidd15]

A)40 minutes away from the Izod
B)Yes
C)18
D)Whats your point.

[Preludepunk27]

The only 2 benefits I could think of it that the Rock to me is a beautiful arena. Sometimes a slight change of scenery, be it a new arena, is all that is needed. The other benefit is that it's a short walk from the NJ transit train. Yeah you're in a pretty rough part of Newark but the redevelopment project down there is coming along fairly well.

Even with these 2 benefits, I still can't see us turning a profit. We have some solid young talent. Unless we can add 1 more difference maker, along with a good amount of our young guys becoming above average starters or solid role players, allowing this team to legitimately compete for a title for 6-8 years (this also means management will have to continue to draft well, add role players who will play their defined role to a T like all championship caliber teams have), then I think they'd have a good shot in Newark. I'd hate to see us leave Jersey (I'd have to change my license plate frame), and as much faith as I have in our management (not owners, I really mean Rod and Kiki), I still consider this somewhat of a long shot. Someone other than Brooksy needs to step up in the next season and a half to start paying decent dividends.

I'm rambling again, but I think you can see my point.

[vincecarter4pres]

A)40 minutes away from the Izod
B)Yes
C)18
D)Whats your point.

Izod Center is in the middle of nothing.
You come to the game, you go home. You go nowhere to hang out before the game, at least within walking distance unless you go to the track.
Only God knows why they built Xandu at the Meadowlands.
There is absolutley no transportation that goes to and from the arena.
If the Nets played at the Rock there is a lot to do besides the basketball game, so if you didn't live right there you can make a day and a night out of it.
There are numerous restaraunts, bars, clubs, shopping, etc. to do within the general vicinity of the stadium, actually very reasonable walking distance.
There is numerous public transportation as well as the fact almost every major highway you can think of connects with the city, very close to the stadium.
The city is under a renewal that is starting to come along and is a lot more populated(as are the surrounding areas) so local attendance will go up.
It is a very nice new stadium from everything I hear.

I asked how old you were becuase these things probably don't apply to someone as young as you or are only starting too.
In the past you probably went to games with your family, so I would imagine you're just starting to go to the games by yourself within the last year or 2.
Therefore you might not see the major relevance in some of my points but people my age, a little younger and older will.
You also can't drink legally and I know when I was your age I didn't really go to restaraunts a lot.

[VCRJKidd15]

that doesnt make sense if that was the problem i dont think the Jets would have built a stadium right next to Giant Stadium and the Izod. If the nets move to Newark the arena would be the same empty arena when the Nets play.

[vincecarter4pres]

that doesnt make sense if that was the problem i dont think the Jets would have built a stadium right next to Giant Stadium and the Izod. If the nets move to Newark the arena would be the same empty arena when the Nets play.

WTH are you talking about?!!!!
The Jets built a stadium next to the Giants?!
They share a stadium and they are sharing the new one and the Jets TRIED TO LEAVE FOR MANHATTAN.
And what this has to do with the Izod center perplexes me, because the entire culture of football games is different then that of a basketball game.
People tailgates for hours upon hours before and after football games and some even go to the games to tailgate without tickets.
Basketball is not like that.

If you think the arena would still be empty in Newark, fine, you're obviously entitled to your opinion, but the reasons and things you're are saying don't make much sense.

[Preludepunk27]

^^^^ Yeah bringing football into the equation is pointless. You put a pro-football stadium anywhere, as long as the team is not completely worthless, you're gonna sell the majority of tickets every game.

Basketball is a different beast completely. I personally dislike any professional sports stadium in the middle of nowhere. I like outside Charlotte and personally I love they built their new stadium right in the city instead of on the outskirts. I can hang out the city, go to the game, then walk to a place for a bite to eat after the game. Same reason I like going to the garden. It has nothing to do with the actual teams that play in these stadiums, I just will watch any basketball game imagineable and the convenience is great.

As much as I still believe we won't be profitable in Newark, when comparing the Rock to the IZOD, it's a no brainer which one is better for the franchise.

[halfHAVOC]

A)40 minutes away from the Izod
B)Yes
C)18
D)Whats your point.

Izod Center is in the middle of nothing.
You come to the game, you go home. You go nowhere to hang out before the game, at least within walking distance unless you go to the track.
Only God knows why they built Xandu at the Meadowlands.
There is absolutley no transportation that goes to and from the arena.
If the Nets played at the Rock there is a lot to do besides the basketball game, so if you didn't live right there you can make a day and a night out of it.
There are numerous restaraunts, bars, clubs, shopping, etc. to do within the general vicinity of the stadium, actually very reasonable walking distance.
There is numerous public transportation as well as the fact almost every major highway you can think of connects with the city, very close to the stadium.
The city is under a renewal that is starting to come along and is a lot more populated(as are the surrounding areas) so local attendance will go up.
It is a very nice new stadium from everything I hear.

I asked how old you were becuase these things probably don't apply to someone as young as you or are only starting too.
In the past you probably went to games with your family, so I would imagine you're just starting to go to the games by yourself within the last year or 2.
Therefore you might not see the major relevance in some of my points but people my age, a little younger and older will.
You also can't drink legally and I know when I was your age I didn't really go to restaraunts a lot.

exactly

its in the middle of NOWHERE, some **** swampland

it needs to be in a more city-like enviornment, + its not like were good enough to get people to come ANYWAY like the giants or jets.

[jerseyjac]

See, I still feel we would become profitable in Newark.

I agree...and for all the reasons you mention in the above...the city has really moved in the right direction...some sections slower than others...but in the immediate downtown area, we're showing progress...whether the Nets stay or go..I can see Newark/The Rock bringing a team in...

[jerseyjac]

A)40 minutes away from the Izod
B)Yes
C)18
D)Whats your point.

Izod Center is in the middle of nothing.
You come to the game, you go home. You go nowhere to hang out before the game, at least within walking distance unless you go to the track.
Only God knows why they built Xandu at the Meadowlands.
There is absolutley no transportation that goes to and from the arena.
If the Nets played at the Rock there is a lot to do besides the basketball game, so if you didn't live right there you can make a day and a night out of it.
There are numerous restaraunts, bars, clubs, shopping, etc. to do within the general vicinity of the stadium, actually very reasonable walking distance.
There is numerous public transportation as well as the fact almost every major highway you can think of connects with the city, very close to the stadium.
The city is under a renewal that is starting to come along and is a lot more populated(as are the surrounding areas) so local attendance will go up.
It is a very nice new stadium from everything I hear.

I asked how old you were becuase these things probably don't apply to someone as young as you or are only starting too.
In the past you probably went to games with your family, so I would imagine you're just starting to go to the games by yourself within the last year or 2.
Therefore you might not see the major relevance in some of my points but people my age, a little younger and older will.
You also can't drink legally and I know when I was your age I didn't really go to restaraunts a lot.

Secaucus Junction is pretty much in place for Xanadu...and the current sport teams...NJtransit provides transportation to the Meadowlands, other buses too...its just not as easy as the city would be...a lot of transferring to get to one place...its help, but I dont know what the statistics are since its been in place...would be interesting to know now and where it goes once this super mall opens up...

[slamdunk]

Why can't the Nets move to the Prudential Center? What is preventing this move?

[Preludepunk27]

Why can't the Nets move to the Prudential Center? What is preventing this move?

Because it wasn't the current ownerships plan. Basically almost since day 1 of the purchase it's been known that Ratner and his investment group wanted to use the Nets in a revitalization plan in Brooklyn. A state of the art complex, office space and apartments in the burrough could bring tourism, businesses and a new kind of clientele to the area. Also, if you actually "play" in New York, whether people acknowledge this or not, it is easier to market the team in the city.

I feel that management just has this logic:

If we put solid teams on the court (see: 2001-2005) and people didn't show up to East Rutherford, how would Newark be any different. I agree that the ROCK is much more accessible, but I don't think management believes that alone would make attendance/sponsors/merchandising to actually turn a profit for this team.

Do I agree with managements logic on every point, not in the least, but I most certainly can understand why the feel Brooklyn (even with all the red tape they've been dealing with over the last few years) is the more viable option. I think that if they wavered in their thinking and even hinted they'd consider moving to Newark, some of their financial backing on the Brooklyn arena will walk away from the situation and make Newark their only option. I think until Brooklyn is 100% dead, they will never discuss Newark as a realistic situation for that fact. It's all about playing your cards right. You only show the cards you want everyone to see at this point.

Only way I honestly see them moving to Newark is if current management loses a big legal battle and/or they sell to a New Jersey investor (see: Shaq, who is already in the process of trying to help revitalize Newark). It's either that really or someone will buy the team and move them to a market they feel will make them more money.

[Revolutionistt]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archi ... d_project/

this about does it. even though most people knew it wasnt gonna work, now its all but official! MOVE EM TO THE ROCK!!!!

[Preludepunk27]

Yeah I read that article yesterday. Sad thing is, I really don't think there are many potential buys that want to keep this team in Jersey. Unless Shaq comes into the situation like he said in an article a week or two again. I can't see moving to the rock would make the team that much more financially stable. My gut feeling still is and will be until proven otherwise, that if we don't end up in Brooklyn, a out of state group will buy us (see: Seattle). Of course, our buddies in Dubai could just buy the team and throw us smack dab in the middle of New York City if they wanted to.

Regardless, time will tell for now. I could totally see New York giving Ratner another tax credit to "secure the welfare" of the people attending or something.

[jerseyjac]

Yeah I read that article yesterday. Sad thing is, I really don't think there are many potential buys that want to keep this team in Jersey. Unless Shaq comes into the situation like he said in an article a week or two again. I can't see moving to the rock would make the team that much more financially stable. My gut feeling still is and will be until proven otherwise, that if we don't end up in Brooklyn, a out of state group will buy us (see: Seattle). Of course, our buddies in Dubai could just buy the team and throw us smack dab in the middle of New York City if they wanted to.

Regardless, time will tell for now. I could totally see New York giving Ratner another tax credit to "secure the welfare" of the people attending or something.

yeh I have the same feeling...more likely for a new NBA team moving into NWK down the road...hey can you post some of the links from the articles you read...I like to keep them documented here...
thanx prelude...

[deviljets7]

Yeah I read that article yesterday. Sad thing is, I really don't think there are many potential buys that want to keep this team in Jersey. Unless Shaq comes into the situation like he said in an article a week or two again. I can't see moving to the rock would make the team that much more financially stable. My gut feeling still is and will be until proven otherwise, that if we don't end up in Brooklyn, a out of state group will buy us (see: Seattle). Of course, our buddies in Dubai could just buy the team and throw us smack dab in the middle of New York City if they wanted to.

Regardless, time will tell for now. I could totally see New York giving Ratner another tax credit to "secure the welfare" of the people attending or something.

I don't know if he has the finances to do it, but I'd have to think Jeff Vanderbeek (owner of Devils and Prudential Center) would want to buy the Nets. If he was able to buy the team and have them play in Newark, the Izod Center (the Rock's main competition) would be out of business.

Without the 45+ commitments that comes with the Nets, I don't think there'd be enough viable events to keep the Izod Center would be a viable option for the state.

None of the concert tours visit both the Rock and Izod (one or the other). The revenue that the Izod Center and NJSEA are getting from upcoming concerts from Springsteen, DMB, etc. would then by going to the Prudential Center.

For this reason alone, I think Vanderbeek would be extremely interested in buying the team.

[Preludepunk27]

So...he'd be willing to lose money from the Nets every year to get a few more concerts/conventions? Unless he can make the Nets either break even or be profitable within 5 years of buying the team, it's a bad investment even with the other things coming into the Rock. The location makes things easier transportation-wise, but the fact the Nets fanbase is so small, they'd have to become legit title contenders for a number of years for us to turn the corner profit-wise. Hell even in our finals years, we struggled with attendance at times. Eliminating competition helps, but it can only take you so far.

[deviljets7]

So...he'd be willing to lose money from the Nets every year to get a few more concerts/conventions? Unless he can make the Nets either break even or be profitable within 5 years of buying the team, it's a bad investment even with the other things coming into the Rock. The location makes things easier transportation-wise, but the fact the Nets fanbase is so small, they'd have to become legit title contenders for a number of years for us to turn the corner profit-wise. Hell even in our finals years, we struggled with attendance at times. Eliminating competition helps, but it can only take you so far.

If you're going to bring up fan base as the big reason, what makes you or anyone else think Brooklyn is ever going to be a viable option? Sorry, but I don't see all the die-hard Knick fans in the area, converting just because the Nets moved 10 miles.

And I guess we're going to ignore the revenue streams that come with luxury boxes, suites etc. that would come with the Rock (just like they would in Brooklyn).

Considering the cost(s) of a new arena and the extra time you'd have to spend in Izod Center, while the arena is being built (if it ever is), I don't see how Brooklyn is more viable than Newark in any way.

For what it's worth...
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketba ... 2085_x.htm

Obviously Vanderbeek and others think otherwise.