Kings rebuild plans...post plans and debates here

[Smills91]

February:
Trade 1:
Kings deal - Beno Udrih/Quincy Douby to Orlando for Keith Bogans/Brian Cook

Trade 2:
Kings deal - Brad Miller/Kenny Thomas to Miami for Shawn Marion/Marcus Banks

Trade 3:
Kings deal - John Salmons to New Orleans for Julian Wright/Rasual Butler

Kings new roster by trade deadline.

C: Spencer Hawes, Mikki Moore t-%, Shelden Williams**
PF: Jason Thompson, Donte Greene, Brian Cook
SF: Shawn Marion*, Francisco Garcia, Julian Wright
SG: Kevin Martin, Keith Bogans*, Rasual Butler
PG: Bobby Jackson*, Bobby Brown p-%, Marcus Banks
* UFA
**RFA
% ETO (t - team, p-player)

March -

Lose, Lose Lose

April -

Lose some more, end up with the 2nd worst record in the league

May -

Get the #2 pick in the draft lottery as OKC wins #1 overall.

June -

Kings buy out Moore deal
OKC drafts Blake Griffin so Kings select Ricky Rubio #2 overall.
With Houstons #22 overall pick Kings select Tyler Hansbrough
With #32 pick overall Kings select Terrence Williams out of Louisville
Extend qualifying offer to Ramon Sessions/Charlie Villanueva/Shelden Williams
Brown exercises player option on contract to remain a King.

Kings enter FA period with roster of:
C: Spencer Hawes $2
PF: Jason Thompson $2, Tyler Hansbrough $1 Brian Cook $4
SF: Francisco Garcia $6, Julian Wright $2, Donte Greene $1
SG: Kevin Martin $9 , Terrence Williams $1, Butler $3
PG: Ricky Rubio $3 , Bobby Brown $1, Marcus Banks $3

RFA's - Shelden, Douby(renounce rights)
UFA's - Bobby Jackson, Shawn Marion, Keith Bogans

Team payroll ~ 41 million, QO's ~ 4 million = ~ 45 million spent
Kings have roughly 12 million to spend in FA in 2009 if CBA allows a 57 million salary cap figure.

July -
Re-sign Shelden Williams to a 3 year 8 million dollar deal back loaded deal 2, 2.5 , 3.5 with a team option on year three

Sign Anderson Varejao to a 5 year 40 million dollar deal that is front loaded so Cleveland refuses to match. Year one - 10 million, year two - 9 million, year three - 8 million, year four - 7 million, year five - 6 million with a player option on year 5.

And now Ladies and Gentlemen...

...YOUR 2008-2009 SACRAMENTO KINGS

C: Spencer Hawes**, Anderson Varejao, Shelden Williams**
PF: Jason Thompson, Tyler Hansbrough**, Brian Cook*
SF: Francisco Garcia, Julian Wright**, Donte Greene**
SG: Kevin Martin, Terrence Williams*, Rasual Butler*
PG: Ricky Rubio, Bobby Brown*, Marcus Banks**

*Potential Expiring
** 2 years left or potential to terminate in 2 years

Bolded players are players not on a rookie nor an expiring contract

[RoyalCourtJestr]

4 things - One, you have us getting Sessons/Villi, but neither appear on your roster. Two, getting Marrion will PROBABLY mean improvement for us, and third, Rubio is most likely NOT gonna come out this year unfortunetly, and four, I wouldn't pay Verajeo more then 5 million to START with, so.

[Smills91]

4 things - One, you have us getting Sessons/Villi, but neither appear on your roster. Two, getting Marrion will PROBABLY mean improvement for us, and third, Rubio is most likely NOT gonna come out this year unfortunetly, and four, I wouldn't pay Verajeo more then 5 million to START with, so.

I'm one who thinks Rubio WILL come out if he's guaranteed to be a top 3 pick which I think he most assuredly will with the teams at the bottom this year.

[ICMTM]

I don't know...

I see us being a losing team again next year! A big losing team!!!

I'd rather make two moves:

Salmons/Beno - Hinrich
Thomas/Miller - Marion

Hinrich
Martin
Marion
Thompson
Hawes

At least you can watch this team. In the offseason you S&T Shawn Marion, or let him walk.

The team you're proposing Smills won't be ready for a while. If Wright, Hawes, Thompson, Rubio, and insert your yougin' here don't pan out then we are SCREWED. I don't want to bet the farm on young players entirely.

[darkadun]

A slightly different plan, but I like some of the things you mentioned Smills

1) Trades - Miller/Thomas to Miami for Marion/Banks &
Salmons/Moore/Douby to Portland for LaFrentz/Bayless.

2) Next summer - Loose Marion, LaFrentz, Williams, Jackson & Brown.

3) Draft Hasheem Thabeet & lets just say Hansbrough

4) Sign Hedo, Varejao or Millsap to long term deals.

2009/20010 Team:
Beno, Bayless, Banks
Martin, Garcia
Hedo, Greene
Thompson, Varejao or Millsap, Hansbrough
Hawes, Thabeet

Who knows, but if that could all go down, I'd be pretty happy.

[ICMTM]

I'm willing to bet Utah lets Boozer walk and pays Millsap anyway so I don't think he will be available. Bayless isn't available. Hedo isn't available. Thabeet and Hasbrough would be at a minimum a three year project.

So I'd rather get Marion and Hinrich. Then if by some miricle we can get Boozer in free agency, and get Marion to resign for less we'd be competitive now. I'm going to run some numbers on that and see if it is actually possible.

[SacKingZZZ]

I'm all for Boozer if we draft a PG. Regardless go after the expiring $$$!

[deNIEd]

I don't understand why we need to sign a big name FA this summer.

The idea should be, move out vets for expirings + picks/prospects.

Do the best we can in terms of getting great draft picks and drafting great players.

See if we can sign anyone w/o vastly overpaying this summer, which is somewhat unlikely, and then HOLD ONTO that cap space until next summer.


Our best chance is via trade, and well, quite frankly if you ask any team looking to trade a star player for rebuilding pieces, a big fat TPE and some picks and some very good rookies/2nd years looks pretty darn good.

[KF10]

Either way, we are going to overpay a 2nd tier player in 2010. (Or 2009, if we decide to sign a FA during that time).

For 2010, I believe that Joe Johnson is our guy to sign.

[deNIEd]

And I think, EVERYTHING depends on where we draft/who declares.

Rubio, Holiday, Jennings, Teague, Curry
Harden
Griffin, Hill, Monroe
Thabeet, Mullens

Depending where/who we are able to draft, we might move Thompson/Hawes or even Martin (if we land Harden and Petrie feels that Harden will become a star player).


But regardless, this deadline, we need to try to move Miller, Moore, Thomas, Beno, Salmons (For Best deal possible, don't expect too much, but don't accept crap), load up on draft picks, tank the team, sit Martin out for the rest of the year he clearly isn't healthy, fill the roster with D-League players that Petrie likes, and obtain as many options as possible.

[norcal07]

I think all this is just wishful thinking. Why would Miami trade Shawn Marion away for Brad Miller/Kenny Thomas? Brad Miller has some value, I give you that, but Kenny Thomas? Who would want him? We're the ones that stuck with his really really overpaid contract.

But I do agree that we should play for the best draft pick in the draft. It's something to look forward to after we lose games by around 48 points.....yikes.

I wouldn't be upset if we moved Brad Miller at all, or Beno (overrated, backup PG for life) or John Salmons (great role player on a bad team). I think that somehow, someway we should trade at least two of the following people.

[pillwenney]

And I think, EVERYTHING depends on where we draft/who declares.

Rubio, Holiday, Jennings, Teague, Curry
Harden
Griffin, Hill, Monroe
Thabeet, Mullens

Depending where/who we are able to draft, we might move Thompson/Hawes or even Martin (if we land Harden and Petrie feels that Harden will become a star player).


But regardless, this deadline, we need to try to move Miller, Moore, Thomas, Beno, Salmons (For Best deal possible, don't expect too much, but don't accept crap), load up on draft picks, tank the team, sit Martin out for the rest of the year he clearly isn't healthy, fill the roster with D-League players that Petrie likes, and obtain as many options as possible.

Huh?

[King Baller]

I am all for trading the Vets for players with expiring contracts 1st round picks and even younger players that can contribute in the long term....

Come draft time get the best players available. As long as at least one of the trades or picks brings in a high caliber PG.

KB

[cdt3]

You guys probably missed yesterdays Kings game where Shelden came in and had 3 shots blocked (when actually Shaq and Amare clobbered him on 2) and Shaq had slapped him down earlier in the game on a foul. The shots he got fouled on were dunks on Shaq and Amare. You should have seen the determination on Shelden to dunk on the big bully. I was so pumped but Coach Natt who was a soft gaurd in the NBA always thinks that Shelden is some big wimp and sat him in the second half. JT was not intimidated and I was pumped about that but you guys are so wrong about Shelden. Hawes was getting mad yesterday because he was intimidated and didn't do anything about it. Shelden put the same stats as JT and Shaq and more than Hawes in college. He out up as many points as Hawes and JT in Summer league but continues to get kicked in the groin by the coaches and fans. JT and Shelden would be my PF-C down the road. If you would have seen his attemped dunk on Shaq it was powerful but Shaq fouled him hard. I love Shelden he is going to very good if given a starting minutes somewhere, I would keep him to beef up our big guys. JT is a great CWebb replacement, Hawes a Miller replacement and Shelden has some CWebb intimidation in him also.
There is no way we do not draft a PG. Dream about huge PF or scoring SG. Our huge weakness is running the team in the clutch. There is no PG here who refuses to lose and Bibby has not been replaced. That next big need a big vet SF in FA or the draft. We have 2 picks already we had 4 the year when Jerry Reynolds drafted 4 1st round draft picks and it took 5 years to rebuild from too much youth. You can have too much youth but last night was a great example they fold up against vets. It is why we get killed every night.
1. Thabeet has the same college stats as Hawes the same person some of you think are soft.
2. People crack me up when they want to trade for Boozer who had the same college stats as Shelden (Why are Shaq scoring 20/12 in college from a guy with no jump shot better than Shelden's or Boozer scoring 20/12 from jumpshots more valuable? Stats tell you what their work ethic is which is why Petrie is excellent at finding studs, he knows a great work ethic no matter the style.

[SacKingZZZ]

I don't understand why we need to sign a big name FA this summer.

The idea should be, move out vets for expirings + picks/prospects.

Do the best we can in terms of getting great draft picks and drafting great players.

See if we can sign anyone w/o vastly overpaying this summer, which is somewhat unlikely, and then HOLD ONTO that cap space until next summer.


Our best chance is via trade, and well, quite frankly if you ask any team looking to trade a star player for rebuilding pieces, a big fat TPE and some picks and some very good rookies/2nd years looks pretty darn good.

Once again, I don't think we have a shot regardless of how much capspace we have at landing the 3-4 players we would realistically target. I count at least 4 this offseason we could not only target but actually have a chance at signing. If it doesn't happen then so be it, but don't count it out.

[sacking101]

I hate to say it but there is no way we are going to be able to attract a big FE in 2010. Our best shot at a big free agent would be boozer or milsap this summer and that is unlikely. It would suck but if we don't sign boozer or milsap I think we need to keep brad and kenny until next years trade deadline when teams are going to be frantically looking to clear up cap space for big names that summer. Through those trades are the only way I see us getting a major guy to put along kevin and become an elite team again. In the mean time we would get another high pick this summer and probably next summer as well which would make the 2010-2011 season we would be competitive again,

[SacKingZZZ]

I think all this is just wishful thinking. Why would Miami trade Shawn Marion away for Brad Miller/Kenny Thomas? Brad Miller has some value, I give you that, but Kenny Thomas? Who would want him? We're the ones that stuck with his really really overpaid contract.

But I do agree that we should play for the best draft pick in the draft. It's something to look forward to after we lose games by around 48 points.....yikes.

I wouldn't be upset if we moved Brad Miller at all, or Beno (overrated, backup PG for life) or John Salmons (great role player on a bad team). I think that somehow, someway we should trade at least two of the following people.

It's easy, it's called getting something of value that also happens to be a big need as opposed to letting talent walk away for nothing. The fact is if Marion walks the Heat have no real significant space to sign a big name FA. It's like when Ron was here, sure, we could have let him walk but what could we have done with such little room under the cap?

[pillwenney]

You guys probably missed yesterdays Kings game where Shelden came in and had 3 shots blocked (when actually Shaq and Amare clobbered him on 2) and Shaq had slapped him down earlier in the game on a foul. The shots he got fouled on were dunks on Shaq and Amare. You should have seen the determination on Shelden to dunk on the big bully. I was so pumped but Coach Natt who was a soft gaurd in the NBA always thinks that Shelden is some big wimp and sat him in the second half. JT was not intimidated and I was pumped about that but you guys are so wrong about Shelden. Hawes was getting mad yesterday because he was intimidated and didn't do anything about it. Shelden put the same stats as JT and Shaq and more than Hawes in college. He out up as many points as Hawes and JT in Summer league but continues to get kicked in the groin by the coaches and fans. JT and Shelden would be my PF-C down the road. If you would have seen his attemped dunk on Shaq it was powerful but Shaq fouled him hard. I love Shelden he is going to very good if given a starting minutes somewhere, I would keep him to beef up our big guys. JT is a great CWebb replacement, Hawes a Miller replacement and Shelden has some CWebb intimidation in him also.
There is no way we do not draft a PG. Dream about huge PF or scoring SG. Our huge weakness is running the team in the clutch. There is no PG here who refuses to lose and Bibby has not been replaced. That next big need a big vet SF in FA or the draft. We have 2 picks already we had 4 the year when Jerry Reynolds drafted 4 1st round draft picks and it took 5 years to rebuild from too much youth. You can have too much youth but last night was a great example they fold up against vets. It is why we get killed every night.
1. Thabeet has the same college stats as Hawes the same person some of you think are soft.
2. People crack me up when they want to trade for Boozer who had the same college stats as Shelden (Why are Shaq scoring 20/12 in college from a guy with no jump shot better than Shelden's or Boozer scoring 20/12 from jumpshots more valuable? Stats tell you what their work ethic is which is why Petrie is excellent at finding studs, he knows a great work ethic no matter the style.

1. Thabeet is averaging 4 BPG and 10 RBG whereas Spencer averaged 1.4BPG and 6.4RPG. That's a chasm. But more importantly, Thabeet shows the potential of a defensive anchor because of his immense size.

2. Why is Shaq's better? Well first and foremost, because you can see it. Very, very clearly. You can complain about a lack of opportunities for Shelden, but your argument of simply pointing to college stats is so completely faulty, I don't even know where to start. Shaq dominated in both the college and NBA because he was massively bigger than everybody in both cases, and along with that, had outstanding footwork in the post. Shelden's huge strength advantage that he had in college isn't nearly as prevalent in the NBA, and he won't be working in a system that inflates his worth like Duke did.

And what's the difference between Shelden and Boozer? One word: fluidity. They had similar numbers and similar knocks on them coming into the league. But Boozer, as anyone with eyes can see, is capable of doing something like a spin move in rhythm, and finish the play. He is just plain a lot more skilled and capable offensively than Shelden.

As for your point about Shelden going up for the dunk even after his shot was blocked, yeah, determination is nice, but what really says something is that he kept getting blocked. That's a reoccuring theme for Shelden because he's not athletic enough to be a good finisher in this league. That's proven. Constantly.

And comparing him to Spencer at this point is ridiculous, considering that Shelden is 5 years older and put up worse stats his freshman year (the only year we have to go off of for Spencer), in a system that consistently makes players out to look better than they really are.

[boffacheerios]

Step 1: trade John Salmons to New orleans for Julian Wright and Rasual Butler

Step 2: trade Brad Miller and quincy douby to la lakers for Lamar odom (let him walk at the end of this year)

step 3: draft night trade: trade kevin martin for the #2 pick and select ricky Rubio (if he declares)

step 4: with our #3 pick select James Harden

Step 5: Draft Dejuan Blair with the rockets pick

Step 6: draft Grievis Vazquez with our second rounder

Step 7: Save all the money for next years free agents because we're gonna have a crap load( let Brown, Williams, Jackson, and Lamar odom go) that's 22 mil. just from those contracts.

2009-2010 roster:

PG: Rubio, Vazquez, Beno
SG: Harden, Butler/Garcia
SF: Garcia, Wright, Greene
PF: Thompson, Blair
C: Hawes, Moore

Anyway, it's a start. You can't deny they would be fun to watch.

[bflewis]

3 Team Deal
Sac Sends Beno to Magic and send Brad Miller + Quincy to Heat
Magic Sends JJ Redick to Kings and send Brian Cook(EXP 3MIL) to Heat
Heat Sends Shawn Marion to Kings

LINEUP AFTER TRADE
PG B.Brown/ B-Jax
SG K-Mart/ Cisco/ JJ Redick
SF Marion/ Salmons/ Donte Greene
PF Thompson/ Mikki/ Cook/ Kenny Thomas
C Hawes/ Shelden

Next Objective is to Swing Salmons and KT9
Kings Send Salmons and KT9
Pacers Send Jamal Tinsley + Rasho Nesterovic(EXP 8MIL)

Tinsley/ B. Brown/ B-Jax
K-Mart/ Cisco/ JJ
Marion/ Greene
Thompson/ Mikki/ Rasho/ Cook
Hawes/ Shelden

In the offseason, buyout Mikki. Let Rasho, Shelden, and Cook Walk. Hire B-Jax as Assistant Coach!

Tinsley/ B.Brown
K-Mart/ Cisco/ JJ
Marion/ Greene
Thompson
Hawes

Swap Marion for Carmelo

Tinsley/ B.Brown
K-Mart/ JJ Redick
Carmelo/ Cisco/ Greene
Thompson
Hawes

With the #1 Draft Pick the Kings select Blake Griffin! With the #22 Pick the Kings package Donte Greene and the 22nd Pick for Pick #15 and select Jeff Teague!
With the 2nd Round Pick the Kings selct ???

Tinsley/ Teague/ B. Brown
K-Mart/ JJ Redick
Carmelo/ Cisco
Thompson/ Griffin
Hawes/ 2nd Round Pick

In 2010, Carmelo talks his friend Chris Bosh to sign with the Sacramento Kings!

Tinsley/ Teague/ B. Brown
K-Mart/ JJ Redick
Carmelo/ Cisco
Thompson/ Griffin
Bosh/ Hawes

Do You Believe in Miracles?