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Post#21 » by Icness » Wed Feb 4, 2009 1:07 pm

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xSABOx wrote:Icness, how do you think the new regime in Detroit feels about Drew Stanton? Would that, in any way make them hold another year on QB? I mean he was held back by the previous coaching staff, but I don't think he was any worse than what we had on the field a year ago.

I personally think they should go Stafford #1, best available OT at #20, CB at #33 and OG/DL with the third rounders...


I don't have a real good feel on what they think of Stanton. I do know that Martin Mayhew wasn't in favor of drafting him where they did. A good indicator will be if they bring Orlovsky back, because it will be one or the other along with Culpepper and whomever they draft.

I do know they prefer Sanchez to Stafford, at least certain important people there do. And they just hired another one today in Shack Harris (GREAT hire!). I have a feeling his opinion is going to carry a lot of weight on Stanton and the draft as a whole.


You seem to like Shack Harris. What are your thoughts or have heard about him league wide? He was the scape goat in Jax and was pretty much ran out of town by just about every one there.

Also, with Harris going to Detroit, does that then allow them to bring Byron Leftwich into the fold, allowing them to take a LT (or another position, or even trade down should someone ante up for the #1 spot) with their first pick?


I very much respect Shack Harris and I think that adding an experienced, successful voice to the mix was very smart, same with Gunther Cunningham at DC (I'm less enthused about Gunther). He was the goat in JAX only because they couldn't fire Jack Del Rio, who did the worst coaching job in the league outside of Rod Marinelli and Dick Jauron last season. They signed Del Rio to a $$ extension and that means he stays and someone else had to go. Harris isn't perfect--his 1st rounders have not been pretty--but he knows the college coaches, knows the scouts and the scouting game, knows how to break down tape, knows how to construct a team. Martin Mayhew needed help and he got a guy he feels comfortable with and act as a sort of mentor.

Leftwich wants to start somewhere, and I don't think Detroit represents his best opportunity for that. It's certainly more of a possibility now that Shack is with the Lions but I think the Jets, Bills and Vikings are better options for him.
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Post#22 » by sunshinekids99 » Wed Feb 4, 2009 2:35 pm

Icness, is there any team out there that would be willing to give up a first to get Matt Cassel? Could we see somebody like the Lions or Bucs in that high teen/low twenty range give up a pick for him? Or do many feel he's just a product of an amazing offense?
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Post#23 » by Icness » Wed Feb 4, 2009 7:30 pm

sunshinekids99 wrote:Icness, is there any team out there that would be willing to give up a first to get Matt Cassel? Could we see somebody like the Lions or Bucs in that high teen/low twenty range give up a pick for him? Or do many feel he's just a product of an amazing offense?


I'll give you two possible scenarios:
1. CAR franchises Julius Peppers, NE franchises Cassel. CAR trades Peppers for Cassel and the Patriots first 2nd rounder, with conditional future picks going one way or the other based on performance incentives.
2. DET takes Andre Smith #1, then a player the Pats covet (Pettigrew, Delmas, Maualuga) is on the board when Detroit picks at #20. The Pats would deal Cassel and another pick, say a 3rd, to move up and pick in that slot. That goes away if DET picks a QB #1 though.

I can see either of those happening. Or neither, and Cassel stays as Brady insurance. I don't think they'll get a straight 1st rounder for him, but if they want to move around some lower picks or get another player, then they might pick up a 1st. Kind of hard to say what they want with Pioli gone.
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Post#24 » by hermes » Wed Feb 4, 2009 9:34 pm

Icness, are the vikings showing any interest in Cassel or are they sticking with TJak again
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Post#25 » by Smooth32 » Thu Feb 5, 2009 2:31 am

Apparently on ESPN Radio, they said the Vikings are pursuing Derek Anderson.
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Post#26 » by hermes » Thu Feb 5, 2009 3:20 am

ya, i just saw the RealGM wiretap that says the vikes are looking at half a dozen qb's

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Post#27 » by Icness » Thu Feb 5, 2009 4:32 am

My Vikings QB guess--and that's all it is--is Byron Leftwich. They flirted with him last summer but they didn't want to pay him what he wanted to just potentially sit. The Derek Anderson talks are probably just as likely to bear fruit though.

I would be surprised if they just up and dumped TJax though. In his rookie year he had a better QB Rating and TD/INT ratio than Eli Manning and he played very well after he came back this past year.
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Post#28 » by PhilipNelsonFan » Thu Feb 5, 2009 6:46 am

Change of pace question for you, Jeff: How legendary are Alex Boone's drinking exploits and how epic was the killing of his draft stock in the eyes of NFL teams? I'm hearing 40-50 beers a day and six-packs before classes.
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Post#29 » by hermes » Thu Feb 5, 2009 2:51 pm

Icness wrote:My Vikings QB guess--and that's all it is--is Byron Leftwich. They flirted with him last summer but they didn't want to pay him what he wanted to just potentially sit. The Derek Anderson talks are probably just as likely to bear fruit though.

I would be surprised if they just up and dumped TJax though. In his rookie year he had a better QB Rating and TD/INT ratio than Eli Manning and he played very well after he came back this past year.

ya they'll keep Jackson, i think the one out the door is Gus
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Post#30 » by Icness » Thu Feb 5, 2009 7:28 pm

PhilipNelsonFan wrote:Change of pace question for you, Jeff: How legendary are Alex Boone's drinking exploits and how epic was the killing of his draft stock in the eyes of NFL teams? I'm hearing 40-50 beers a day and six-packs before classes.


The drinking is indeed legendary. He claims a minimum of a case of beer every single day for several years, with his frosh year at OSU being 2 cases a day minimum. Supposedly he was able to drink 20 beers in under 10 minutes. Even in my peak collegiate drinking days 20 beers in one 24-hour period would have jsut wrecked me for a week, so I can't really fathom that much drinking.

Alex is a monster dude and he visibly wears his scars. He's real quiet, like a volcano of hate just bubbling, super intense. It's not his drinking that is killing his stock, it's his lead feet and inability to bend his knees. Though the personal problems aren't going to help him...
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Post#31 » by Rafael122 » Fri Feb 6, 2009 12:51 pm

And he never got caught? Or did the University just ignore it? 20 beers in 10 minutes? What, was he injected with the alcohol?
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