Shane Battier Trade?

[barnsleyman123]

Should Battier be traded? He has basically become an offensive liability much like that of Chuck Hayes. Would you trade Battier to improve the PG situation, maybe an Andre Miller? Would you trade Battier for players like Maggette, Mike Miller (doubt it could happen), or even Larry Hughes? Battier may not be actually needed as a "defensive stopper" since we have Ron Artest. Please reply with your opinions.

[HTown_TMac]

Even though our defense is horrible... without Shane I think it would get worse.

I would love miller on this team. Either one.

[TMU]

So Battier has become the scapegoat for our inability to execute on the defensive end.

EDIT1: Larry Hughes and Corey Maggette are players that kill your team's ball movement. I'd much rather have Battier who's a "liability" on offense.

EDIT2: Battier's net production may be piss poor, but he's 2nd to Yao when you consider his net on/off court. In other words his chemistry with the rest of his teammates is great.

[barnsleyman123]

no i'm not saying he is the sole problem on defense or offense but i will say if we had a player in battiers position that could make wide open 3's our offense would run much smoother.

[TMU]

no i'm not saying he is the sole problem on defense or offense but i will say if we had a player in battiers position that could make wide open 3's our offense would run much smoother.

I'm going to get flamed for saying this, but I believe our problem on offense is that neither Artest nor McGrady is capable of playing away from the ball. Add Yao to the equation, and you'll notice that Artest becomes ineffective when McGrady has the ball and vice versa. When our Big 3 is out on the court, our ball movement becomes slow and stagnant. I know Adelman has tried to solve this problem by having Artest come off the bench, but considering his significant playing time he continues to clash with McGrady.

At this rate, either McGrady or Artest has to go. I just don't think there's enough balls to go around. Since Artest has an expiring contract, he's more likely to go.

[Mike12345]

no i'm not saying he is the sole problem on defense or offense but i will say if we had a player in battiers position that could make wide open 3's our offense would run much smoother.

I'm going to get flamed for saying this, but I believe our problem on offense is that neither Artest nor McGrady is capable of playing away from the ball. Add Yao to the equation, and you'll notice that Artest becomes ineffective when McGrady has the ball and vice versa. When our Big 3 is out on the court, our ball movement becomes slow and stagnant. I know Adelman has tried to solve this problem by having Artest come off the bench, but considering his significant playing time he continues to clash with McGrady.

At this rate, either McGrady or Artest has to go. I just don't think there's enough balls to go around. Since Artest has an expiring contract, he's more likely to go.

While I agree Mcgrady and Artest arent capable of playing away from the ball and ball movement becomes stagnant I think both these players just need someone to create better shots for them so there not taking forced jumpers. The problem isnt with either player if you trade one or the other at the end of games we still never have an intelligent point guard to break down the defense and create a shot or get a lay up. With a point guard to create better shots for Mcgrady and Artest and knock down open shots from double teams on Yao the ball would flow better. IMO Brooks or Alston would make great back up point guards for a contender but neither should be starting for a contender. Artest has been pretty calm and collected and i think still has a nice upside if we can create better looks for him so he doesnt feel the need to force shots when hes not getting easy baskets.

[tisbee]

The Rockets wouldn't trade him last summer for young talent from Portland AND their 13nth pick,so I doubt they're trading him now.
He is the glue to the Rockets D,has historically been a good 3pt shooter,good team leader in the lockerroom and does all the little things like block out and dive for loose balls. There is a reason every other team's fans want him on their team.
Don't forget he lost all of the off-season,camp and the first couple of months of the season to his eff'd up rehab. He's just now rounding into basketball form,so I'm not too worried about his offense.
McGrady and Yao should get @ 40 a game and Alston,Battier and Scola should get @ 30-35 points a game. That's 70-75,which is enough from the starting unit. The reserves need to come thru w/another 20-25points and that's been a struggle. Artest,Brooks and Landry have just been too inconsistant to provide steady bench scoring. And Wafer seems to have disappeared as a reserve.

Artest has been the biggest problem on offense because Adelman hasn't found a unit he meshes w/and hasn't found an offensive role that best suits Ron and the team. Playing Ron in the McGrady role on the perimeter is a freakin' disaster.
I would suggest 2 changes. At the 6-7 min mark of 1,3Q bring in Ron AND Wafer for Battier and Scola. at 9-10min replace Yao w/Scola. Get Wafer established early off of McGrady feeds. Run pick-n-rolls w/Artest and McGrady near FT line.(Can also do so w/Yao and T-Mac so long as Ron is on low block waiting for feed when D collapses on T-Mac,just as Yao will when Ron sets the screen.)
Start 2,4Q w/Ron,Landry,Brooks,Wafer and Barry/Battier. Play Ron in low post w/second unit where he can't stop the ball on the perimeter. He will pass out of low-post. The rest of second unit can run Adelman's Offense far more smoothly.

[shobe_81]

Battier for Vlad-Rad

or

Battier for Sasha

would be a dream for the Lakers and of-course 0% chance of that happening

Battier is the ultimate SF the Lakers would need, he would be lock down defender next to Kobe and with Kobe's abilities to create, he'd be able to hit those Wide Open 3's he makes all the time.

[YoungMoney23]

Battier for Vlad-Rad

or

Battier for Sasha

would be a dream for the Lakers and of-course 0% chance of that happening

Battier is the ultimate SF the Lakers would need, he would be lock down defender next to Kobe and with Kobe's abilities to create, he'd be able to hit those Wide Open 3's he makes all the time.

The idea of making a trade isn't to make your opponent better.....

[YaoZaii]

I would rather get rid of Artest and get miller or korver

you guys are right.. i hate it when i see all 3 of them on the court at the same time.

[moofs]

no i'm not saying he is the sole problem on defense or offense but i will say if we had a player in battiers position that could make wide open 3's our offense would run much smoother.

I'm going to get flamed for saying this, but I believe our problem on offense is that neither Artest nor McGrady is capable of playing away from the ball. Add Yao to the equation, and you'll notice that Artest becomes ineffective when McGrady has the ball and vice versa. When our Big 3 is out on the court, our ball movement becomes slow and stagnant. I know Adelman has tried to solve this problem by having Artest come off the bench, but considering his significant playing time he continues to clash with McGrady.

At this rate, either McGrady or Artest has to go. I just don't think there's enough balls to go around. Since Artest has an expiring contract, he's more likely to go.

No flaming here, we're in perfect agreement, and I'd add quite a few more reasons for Artest to go as well.

Barnsley, Artest hits his 3's. In fact, they're about the only thing he actually can hit for us. Your whole theory is goofy since Battier has his average up to .382 now after shooting over 41% the last 2 months.

While I agree Mcgrady and Artest arent capable of playing away from the ball and ball movement becomes stagnant I think both these players just need someone to create better shots for them so there not taking forced jumpers. The problem isnt with either player if you trade one or the other at the end of games we still never have an intelligent point guard to break down the defense and create a shot or get a lay up. With a point guard to create better shots for Mcgrady and Artest and knock down open shots from double teams on Yao the ball would flow better. IMO Brooks or Alston would make great back up point guards for a contender but neither should be starting for a contender. Artest has been pretty calm and collected and i think still has a nice upside if we can create better looks for him so he doesnt feel the need to force shots when hes not getting easy baskets.

You got it kinda backwards. """"""Top tier""""""" swings are supposed to both finish shots from other players, be able to create their own reasonably makeable shots with as little help as possible, and create shots for other players. If you consistently have to have another player helping create shots for them, you need a completely different team structure (see: Hamilton Pistons, Martin Kings). Turning either of them into jump shooters/finishers basically turns them into role players, which means they're VASTLY overpaid, and as such a HUGE liability to the team. The problem is that they're not doing/able to do their jobs (right now?).

Should Battier be traded? He has basically become an offensive liability much like that of Chuck Hayes. Would you trade Battier to improve the PG situation, maybe an Andre Miller? Would you trade Battier for players like Maggette, Mike Miller (doubt it could happen), or even Larry Hughes? Battier may not be actually needed as a "defensive stopper" since we have Ron Artest. Please reply with your opinions.

Good ... bloody.. ff .. . . . . .
Those statements. Are.. so.. dumb... I'm... hemorrhaging, internally.
Can't think of a way to adequately insult that without picking up ban/suspension-strikes.
If you could please help pick up these medical bills and never say anything that goofy again. Thanks.

[DC2]

While I agree Mcgrady and Artest arent capable of playing away from the ball and ball movement becomes stagnant I think both these players just need someone to create better shots for them so there not taking forced jumpers.

Unless they want to find easy shots off the ball that won't happen. They have to commit to moving without the ball and doing off ball cuts or screens to get easier shots. If both only want to create with the ball and that doesn't change it doesn't matter who is running the offense.

[ShaY]

I would do something like Battier+Landry for Tayshaun Prince.

We can't get another guy like Maggette or Miller that will look a lot for his shot along with Artest also on the team.

[HTown_TMac]

I would do something like Battier+Landry for Tayshaun Prince.

We can't get another guy like Maggette or Miller that will look a lot for his shot along with Artest also on the team.

I rather a 3way trade I rather send Artest for Rip

[jove9]

Hey! Here's an idea! Let's trade Battier for a third scorer! That will be awesome!

LOL! LQTM! OMG! FTW! PWN! BRB! 1337! 1234! ABCD! QWERTY!

(sound familiar?)

[grond]

Should Battier be traded? He has basically become an offensive liability much like that of Chuck Hayes. Would you trade Battier to improve the PG situation, maybe an Andre Miller? Would you trade Battier for players like Maggette, Mike Miller (doubt it could happen), or even Larry Hughes? Battier may not be actually needed as a "defensive stopper" since we have Ron Artest. Please reply with your opinions.

Artest hasn't stopped anyone since donning a Rockets jersey. His defense, which, before arriving here, was rumoured to be overrated, has proved as advertised.

The modern NBA doesn't allow physical defense to flourish. Best to go for someone like Battier who won't foul unless necessary, funnels penetration to the help, and contests. Stern has made it impossible for one on one defense to do better than that essentially. If you get too close, it's a foul.

Also, trading Battier is a bad idea. Simply, his value to the team is most likely greater than his trade value. Therefore, trading such a commodity is bad business.

[moofs]

Hey! Here's an idea! Let's trade Battier for a third scorer! That will be awesome!

LOL! LQTM! OMG! FTW! PWN! BRB! 1337! 1234! ABCD! QWERTY!

(sound familiar?)

kek

[barnsleyman123]

Personally I actaully like Battier and respect what he does out there on the court. I only mentioned Maggette and Hughes because those are some of the names I have heard in the past. I would trade Battier for Mike Miller possibly but I would be more than happy to keep Battier. I only made the thread to hear other people's opinions (so chill out moofs).

[Diop]

Battier and Von Wafer for Felton and McMay (expiring)?

Felton has grown reasonably solid at the point, especially defensively.

[HTown_TMac]

Battier and Von Wafer for Felton and McMay (expiring)?

Felton has grown reasonably solid at the point, especially defensively.

Felton reminds me of Alston