Chandler for Marion Rumors?

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I'm curious what you guys think of the current rumors?

MIA sportswriters throw up a lot of BS, so I'm asking you .. could they be true? Is NOH desperate to make sure they stay under the lux next season?

Any way MIN can get in on this?

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/s ... alk-090205

. A deal for Toronto's Jermaine O'Neal remains readily available to the Miami Heat. The Sacramento Kings likewise would still love to send Brad Miller to Miami for Shawn Marion as long as they don't have to take back Marcus Banks, too.


And word comes now that another matter for Miami to consider is the prospect of sending Marion to New Orleans for a package headlined by Tyson Chandler.

There have been no firm indications that such a swap is imminent, but it's a scenario mentioned more than once in the past week. And that's probably because acquiring Chandler would be consistent with Pat Riley's well-known preference to bring back proven size if he parts with Marion's $17.8 million expiring contract before the deadline.

The Heat, however, are just as determined not to take back contracts that extend past the 2009-10 season, which would seem to rule this out as a possibility, given that Chandler has a $13.2 million player option for 2010-11 that he is certain to exercise.

Is Chandler good enough for Riley to bend his 2010 policy? Would he sufficiently fill Miami's void inside and give Dwyane Wade more reason to re-sign with the Heat in the summer of 2010? Debatable.

There are cons for the Hornets, as well. Can they really part with a big man of Chandler's ability, given how little they have behind Chandler and David West, for a player who could leave them in free agency this summer?

Yet sources close to the situation refuse to rule out Chandler's departure. Chris Paul and West, sources say, are the Hornets' only two untouchables.

Chandler is an elite defensive force at his best, but his dip in performance this season -- which began before the 26-year-old's recent ankle problem -- is undeniable. Factor in New Orleans' own well-known desire to join the clutch of teams trying to slash payroll and its long-standing interest in acquiring an athletic wing man to partner with Paul and West, and you can see why Marion's name comes up.

Miami, meanwhile, continues to pursue Dallas' Josh Howard, in spite of Mark Cuban's insistence that the Mavs won't do a Howard-for-Marion trade.

[hype_2004]

This simply a ploy to get under the tax, Shinn alike many small market owners is losing money due to lack of corporate partners and low attendance figures. I wouldn't be surprised if many small market teams go into a fire sale to stay under the tax, the recession is hitting a lot of owners where they hurt the most, right into their pocketbooks.

[Copperhead]

Shinn is not losing money. He currently has more season ticket sales and corporate partners than he's ever had since he's been in N.O. I don't know where people get the assumption that Shinn is losing money. As for as this Marion for Chandler rumor, I hope that's all it is.

Hornets able to cash in on unswerving loyalty

New Orleanians usually embrace the carefree attitudes that earned their town the appellation "The city that care forgot." But there has never been any question that its citizens have passion for what they perceive to be theirs, be it the abundant festivals and celebrations, chicory coffee or red beans on Monday.

So it should be no surprise that despite a historic nationwide economic downturn, New Orleans is heartily supporting two professional sports franchises in the smallest two-team pro marketplace in the nation.

The Hornets, for the first time since relocating to New Orleans from Charlotte, N.C., in 2002, are experiencing unmatched ticket sales and attendance figures that in larger markets and better financial times would not be unusual. But in this time and place it is, as Hornets President Hugh Weber said, "an interesting story."

The Hornets, thanks in part to last season's record-setting number of wins, Western Conference contention and MVP candidate Chris Paul, this season sold nearly 11,000 season tickets, including 5,310 full packages. That is an increase of 102 percent from last season. They also sold all the suites in the New Orleans Arena, sold 6,000 new season-ticket packages and had a 90-percent renewal rate for season tickets.

http://www.nola.com/sports/t-p/index.ss ... xml&coll=1

The teams this year eclipsing the 10,000 full-season-ticket sales mark are the Boston Celtics, Chicago Bulls, Dallas Mavericks, Golden State Warriors, Los Angeles Lakers, New Orleans Hornets, Phoenix Suns, Portland Trail Blazers, Oklahoma City Thunder, Toronto Raptors and Utah Jazz. New to the list this season are the Celtics, Bulls, Hornets, Blazers and Thunder. Dropping off the 10,000 full-season sales list are the Cleveland Cavaliers, New York Knicks, San Antonio Spurs and Miami Heat.

Through Jan. 19, the NBA is averaging 17,244 fans per game, up 0.9 percent to date from last season. The Pistons lead the NBA in attendance with an average of 22,076 fans per game. The Sacramento Kings are last in the NBA in average attendance with 12,277 fans per game. The Kings also have the largest attendance decrease in the NBA with an 11.6 percent drop at the gate. The New Orleans Hornets have the highest attendance gain with a 38.6 percent increase to an average of 16,976 fans per game.

http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/article/61342

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Interesting

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/32/nba ... 28959.html

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/32/nba ... _Rank.html

The hornets are 28th in team value, and were near the bottoms in revenues, but they made money last year .. about $3 mil in operating income. Most of the small teams did not.

[hype_2004]

Shinn is not losing money. He currently has more season ticket sales and corporate partners than he's ever had since he's been in N.O. I don't know where people get the assumption that Shinn is losing money. As for as this Marion for Chandler rumor, I hope that's all it is.

Hornets able to cash in on unswerving loyalty

New Orleanians usually embrace the carefree attitudes that earned their town the appellation "The city that care forgot." But there has never been any question that its citizens have passion for what they perceive to be theirs, be it the abundant festivals and celebrations, chicory coffee or red beans on Monday.

So it should be no surprise that despite a historic nationwide economic downturn, New Orleans is heartily supporting two professional sports franchises in the smallest two-team pro marketplace in the nation.

The Hornets, for the first time since relocating to New Orleans from Charlotte, N.C., in 2002, are experiencing unmatched ticket sales and attendance figures that in larger markets and better financial times would not be unusual. But in this time and place it is, as Hornets President Hugh Weber said, "an interesting story."

The Hornets, thanks in part to last season's record-setting number of wins, Western Conference contention and MVP candidate Chris Paul, this season sold nearly 11,000 season tickets, including 5,310 full packages. That is an increase of 102 percent from last season. They also sold all the suites in the New Orleans Arena, sold 6,000 new season-ticket packages and had a 90-percent renewal rate for season tickets.

http://www.nola.com/sports/t-p/index.ss ... xml&coll=1

The teams this year eclipsing the 10,000 full-season-ticket sales mark are the Boston Celtics, Chicago Bulls, Dallas Mavericks, Golden State Warriors, Los Angeles Lakers, New Orleans Hornets, Phoenix Suns, Portland Trail Blazers, Oklahoma City Thunder, Toronto Raptors and Utah Jazz. New to the list this season are the Celtics, Bulls, Hornets, Blazers and Thunder. Dropping off the 10,000 full-season sales list are the Cleveland Cavaliers, New York Knicks, San Antonio Spurs and Miami Heat.

Through Jan. 19, the NBA is averaging 17,244 fans per game, up 0.9 percent to date from last season. The Pistons lead the NBA in attendance with an average of 22,076 fans per game. The Sacramento Kings are last in the NBA in average attendance with 12,277 fans per game. The Kings also have the largest attendance decrease in the NBA with an 11.6 percent drop at the gate. The New Orleans Hornets have the highest attendance gain with a 38.6 percent increase to an average of 16,976 fans per game.

http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/article/61342

this is for preparation of next season, as the current economic climate in the us goes, 1 has to wonder jhow many "loyal" Hornets fans would renew their seasons tickets in the looming recession. These people have families and need to put food on the table above anything else, inflation and the fear of job loss is very high in the New Orleans area, Shinn is just preparing for the worst and \i don't blame him.

[Copperhead]

As for the trade, I don't think the Hornets should do it. I'm not going to keep getting into other stuff but as for the trade, I don't think the Hornets should do it.

[NO-KG-AI]

I think it's BS, it won't save us a ton of money anyway, and it would make us horrible right now, and take us out of any chance at competing for the biggest prize. Seriously, Marion?

[Knicksick]

I hope the Hornets don't do this but it would save ownership around 30mill. and considering Paul/West are untouchable and Peja untradable then Chandler is the only logical choice for a trade.

[NO-KG-AI]

It would save around 12-14 million, assuming Chandler doesn't opt out, and we don't sign anyone else. This would be moronic, he'll lose a lot more money when the team starts to suck because we have no center and we try to outscore everyone with one guy that can create.

[BG3eb]

Dallas here:

If it is true that they might be looking to clear some salary would Dallas be a trade partner?

One of the bigger trade assets Dallas has is Stackhouse and his deal. His contract is only partially guaranteed next year and is easy to buy out. Would someone like Posey or Mo Pete be an option?

[Knicksick]

How does that only save 12-14 million? Marion expires this year and Chandler has 2 years remaining after this year for 12mill. and 13mill. That's at least 25mill. saved---IF you are under the luxury tax. If not than your owner has to be even more.

[NO-KG-AI]

How does that only save 12-14 million? Marion expires this year and Chandler has 2 years remaining after this year for 12mill. and 13mill. That's at least 25mill. saved---IF you are under the luxury tax. If not than your owner has to be even more.

IF Tyson doesn't opt out, which I think he will.

[rsavaj]

This doesn't make any sense for you guys...

[PELICANSFAN]

this is for preparation of next season, as the current economic climate in the us goes, 1 has to wonder jhow many "loyal" Hornets fans would renew their seasons tickets in the looming recession. These people have families and need to put food on the table above anything else, inflation and the fear of job loss is very high in the New Orleans area, Shinn is just preparing for the worst and \i don't blame him.

You speak as if you know what is going on in the New Orleans area. Are you from here? We are probably not sufferring as much in the recession (yet) as other parts of the country because there are still many jobs here due to the rebuilding efforts. Many of those season ticketholders have taken a lot of lumps already with the storms and have rebounded somewhat. So, it is not like we are going to suddenly fall off the face of the earth. Sure, many will be affected (as many more in other parts of the country will as well), but don't speak as it New Orleans is all doom and gloom like you know.

[ChrisTheFuturePaul]

Some people who are in the know say that it will be Chandler to go if the Hornets make a salary dump type of trade. For Marion though? I doubt it, Marion's looking more Toronto-bound than anything.

[Liqourish]

There has been some chattering about a Chandler/Sheed deal. From the sounds of things, it's a Sheed/Kwame/Bynum for Chandler/Butler deal in the talks. Don't know how true it is.

[ChrisTheFuturePaul]

I wouldn't be surprised if there are active talks about that deal, but I just don't know if New Orleans is ready for "Sheed" ;p

[King 30]

Would New Orleans consider

Chandler/ Wright

to New York for

Lee/Jeffries/Rose

For NO: Lee adds more scoring, Jeffreis make up for some lost defense, Rose is an expiring(tax saving)

For New York: Shot blocker in Chandler, youth in Wright.

Money for 2010 might be close to a wash if Chandler don't op-out. Chandler(12.7m), Wright(2.8m)
Jeffries(6.8m), Lee resign (7-9m?)

[NO-KG-AI]

No.

I wouldn't trade Chandler or Wright for that package, much less both. No interest in a no defense garbage man power forward and effries terrible play and terrible contract for our best post defender, an even better rebounder, the only center of any consequence on on our roster, and a young piece.