Danny wasted money and roster spots last offseason

[cfan79]

Eddie and Tony aren't that good. They seem like they are only good at one thing and if they aren't doing those things well they are useless. I would rather have given Posey 6 million a year for 4 yrs then sign both of them. O'Bryant and Cassell were given spots on the team and they haven't played that many minutes.

[TheSheriff]

Eddie has been worthwhile. Posey will be a large constraint in the future if they signed him for what he wanted. Right now the celtics have one bad contract (Scal), and Danny will soon be rid of it. Giving Posey what he was demanding would just be adding another bad contract.

[cfan79]

Eddie has been worthwhile. Posey will be a large constraint in the future if they signed him for what he wanted. Right now the celtics have one bad contract (Scal), and Danny will soon be rid of it. Giving Posey what he was demanding would just be adding another bad contract.

Screw the future, we have to think about now. I don't care if we suck in 5 yrs if we can accumulate 2-3 titles before then.

[TheSheriff]

Eddie has been worthwhile. Posey will be a large constraint in the future if they signed him for what he wanted. Right now the celtics have one bad contract (Scal), and Danny will soon be rid of it. Giving Posey what he was demanding would just be adding another bad contract.

Screw the future, we have to think about now. I don't care if we suck in 5 yrs if we can accumulate 2-3 titles before then.

The marginal value of Posey is not that great that he is the difference between 2 and 3 titles.

[cfan79]

The marginal value of Posey is not that great that he is the difference between 2 and 3 titles.

Not only Posey, but we would have had a spot for Mutumbo also if we didn't sign so many scrubs/average players.

[MaxwellSmart]

You only have a 3 year window with the Big 3....who cares about that 4th year for Posey?...Danny could have traded him in that 4th year for something better.....Geeez, they made a HUGE blunder----we have NO chips to trade for a player like the one that we already HAD----complete idiots.

[GreenGrizz]

Free Agency was really Ainge's last option to improve the team. There are already too many angry GMs. You know why? His old buddy helped him get KG. I knew we would be on our own after that. Wanna keep it going, Wyc? Try to do better next offseason. The big three will cost you the luxury tax, anyway.

[BillessuR6]

Eddies has been great playing SG! At PG he is terrible! But I agree with TA. We need to get rid of him because he is just killing this team...

POB is a waste of a rosters space. As is Giddens. I still think Sam can help this team...

All in all, Danny had a horrible off season. He didn`t sign anyone who could help this team! Not even one veteran player. And supposedly they all want to play for us...

I just hope he doesn`t count too much on players to get bought out...it is way too risky. He needs to make a trade or two...

[Fencer reregistered]

The team got a little stingy on Posey. But is that Ainge, or is it ownership?

[Ed Pinkney]

We should definitely fire Danny then.

[Bad-Thoma]

It's a little hard to have roster flexibility when you just cashed in all your chips a season ago to have a shot at a title (and considering the successful nature of that move I'm just flabbergasted people are complaining). I'm not sure if anyone has noticed, but we're not exactly struggling this season either, no matter what moves Ainge makes we're just not going to win all 82 games and be guaranteed a title. Winning 4 out of 5 games is beyond good, it's fantastic for an NBA team. I'm glad Ainge didn't over rate Posey the way the Hornets did and the way some people around here have, when the window closes on the big 3 I don't want to see another long drought of Chris Wallace-esque mediocraty. There's bound to be a couple of seasons that are going to make us remember how spoiled we are now, but avoiding "panic" moves like signing role players to inflated, extended contracts will allow this team to transition more smoothly into the next Celtic's era. Posey was at what will be the peak value of his career this off-season after the championship run and significant national exposure, he's been decent this year but if this was a contract year for him and NO gets bounced early in the playoffs there is no way a team would give him that same contract based on what he has done this year.

[The Rondo Show]

The marginal value of Posey is not that great that he is the difference between 2 and 3 titles.

Not only Posey, but we would have had a spot for Mutumbo also if we didn't sign so many scrubs/average players.

Roster spots are not a problem for the Celtics. Cassell is 40+ years old, hasn't played in a game all year, wants to be a coach and acts more like a coach than a player. If they wanted Mutombo, they could've very easily waived Cassell to clear a roster spot and moved him to the coaching staff. I don't agree with them, but they obviously didn't want Mutombo.

Patrick O'Bryant is another one who isn't going to stop them from signing someone they truly want. They'd waive him in a second if they found someone they liked enough (such as McDyess).

Ainge has also said the money wasn't the problem regarding Posey; it was the years. They didn't want a long-term deal handed out, probably because he wants to be a player in free agency and when Ray/Pierce/KG are off the books and we are looker for a younger star(s), Posey's $6M would handcuff them a bit.

I can see your argument about going to for it all now and giving Posey the years as who knows how we'll be years from now, but I don't see how Tony Allen and Eddie House's short-term deals had anything to do with Posey. The problem was the years and if Posey was willing to take 2/12 instead of 4/24 or so, he'd still be here.

Can't blame Posey for going for the years/money on another winning (though not quite AS winning) team and you can't really blame Danny---at least not until we lose a championship that Posey may have been the difference in or until you see how he does in free agency 2010/2011/2012.

[Barry Lird]

You only have a 3 year window with the Big 3....who cares about that 4th year for Posey?...Danny could have traded him in that 4th year for something better.....Geeez, they made a HUGE blunder----we have NO chips to trade for a player like the one that we already HAD----

Completely agree, and said so during the Posey negotiations.

Even when we got Ray and KG, given their ages, I thought we had a 2 or 3 year window, and that we should do all we could to maximize that window, and hang what comes after. Who cares if Posey wouldn't be worth his contract in year 4. Neither will KG by then. What matters is this year and next.

I read the homer, pipe dream posts about extending the run beyond the Big 3's decline. BS. You only contend for championships with all-star level players still playing at all star level. My contention is that we will suck for a couple of years after this run. So be it. Accept it and go all in for this year and next. Sorry, management blew it on Posey.

[ryaningf]

Eddie and Tony aren't that good. They seem like they are only good at one thing and if they aren't doing those things well they are useless. I would rather have given Posey 6 million a year for 4 yrs then sign both of them. O'Bryant and Cassell were given spots on the team and they haven't played that many minutes.

TA and Eddie are good, so long as they're not playing together. And that's the main problem with our offseason...we resigned two backcourt players who can't play together very well.

If DA made any error, it was assuming the Eddie could play point for another year. We got away with it last year because Posey was able to stretch the defense and provide good spacing to our offense. This season, teams are pressuring House, just like last year, but they are also backing off TA at the same time, which just gums up the offense to no end. If we had a point guard playing point guard, or a 2-guard who could hit a three, then the individual limitations of House and TA would be less visible.

Doc's challenge, as always, is to find combinations that hide House and TA's individual limitations. To this point in the season, I don't think he's even been trying to do that. There are numerous configurations that would put TA in a spot to attack the basket and also give Eddie a chance to shoot open threes....but instead Doc continues to ask those two guys to do something they both really can't do well, and that is play point guard. Find a point guard for the 2nd unit and suddenly everybody on that unit looks like a better player. It's that easy.

[goulardi]

Free Agency was really Ainge's last option to improve the team. There are already too many angry GMs. You know why? His old buddy helped him get KG. I knew we would be on our own after that. Wanna keep it going, Wyc? Try to do better next offseason. The big three will cost you the luxury tax, anyway.

You must be totally unaware of how well Al is playing these days....

[celtxman]

You only have a 3 year window with the Big 3....who cares about that 4th year for Posey?...Danny could have traded him in that 4th year for something better.....Geeez, they made a HUGE blunder----we have NO chips to trade for a player like the one that we already HAD----complete idiots.

I'm not sure about the 3 year window, but I agree with your concept. It has not become a total reality as I give Ainge until March 1st to see what he can do for the roster. It would have been nice to see someone who could make energy plays to win the Laker game. It would be nice to see Posey being all over Matt Bonner, who looked like Dirk Nowitzki.
I've been told by other Celtic posters that there was no way you could pay Posey that contract. Yet I just watched two games against top level teams that would have been won with Posey here on the premise that this might be a good thing in three years. Yet even in the best case scenario that they can pull off a miracle trade, they have already lost some valuable games towards
home court advantage. This year and next years are valuable years in the Big Three's limited lifespan. If the Celtic brass knew all along there was no realistic way of adding talent, then they should have signed Posey to 4 years.

[Larry Joe Bird]

Free Agency was really Ainge's last option to improve the team. There are already too many angry GMs. You know why? His old buddy helped him get KG. I knew we would be on our own after that. Wanna keep it going, Wyc? Try to do better next offseason. The big three will cost you the luxury tax, anyway.

You must be totally unaware of how well Al is playing these days....

Al Jefferson's statistics

Kevin Garnett's statistics

[campybatman]

I think Ainge wanted to appease Rivers since Rivers desired to see both House and Tony return. Probably, it had more to do with continuity. Initially, I didn't have a problem with the resigning of both if Ainge felt any other free agents weren't a realistic option in his mind. Now, I feel the same as I did before. Ainge attempted to maintain some of the things that Posey was capable of providing this team, defense and perimeter shooting, by resigning them. Rather than try to replace him outright. Ainge thought that both House and Tony could help offset his departure. Perhaps, Ainge might have instead tried to replace Posey. I remember a lot of fans talked about Barnes. I know Ainge was interested in James Jones. Right now, Ainge likely wouldn't mind acquiring Travis Outlaw.

Though the Hornets are under the luxury tax, they are over budget and will be looking to move a big-ticket player -- Chandler, Stojakovic, Peterson or perhaps even James Posey, a luxury that ownership might soon realize it couldn't afford. "They're gonna dump somebody because they're broke," one rival exec said.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/11348284

Allen agreed to a two-year guaranteed deal paying $2.5 million annually, according to an NBA source. The Celtics did not have to use the mid-level exception to re-sign Allen because he has been with the team three years and has not been waived. This exception is known as "Bird Rights." While awaiting Posey's signing, the Celtics opted not to make Allen a qualifying offer before free agency began July 1. Once the Celtics lost out on Posey, they focused on re-signing Allen and House.

"We've been talking to [the Celtics] ever since July 1," said Mike Higgins, Allen's agent. "Once James Posey left, we talked to a few teams, but he was comfortable there [in Boston]. He knows he will play a lot of minutes. With the other teams, he didn't really know them."

Oklahoma City was among at least five teams interested in Allen, Higgins said. But after Oklahoma City signed Utah restricted free agent guard C.J. Miles to an offer sheet, Allen focused on returning to the Celtics.

"Everyone knows he can play," Higgins said of Allen. "If he didn't blow out his knee, you wouldn't have talked about James Posey. You'd be talking about him. He would have received an extension [beforehand]."

The Celtics signed House to a two-year deal using some of the $5.5 million mid-level exception, paying him $2.7 million this season with a player option for $2.9 million next season, according to an NBA source.

"We talked over the weekend and got everything finalized," said Mark Bartelstein, the agent for House. "It's a good situation for both. He never wanted to leave. When you are a part of something like a championship, the choice is to defend a title, because it's a great experience. It was a matter of Danny Ainge and I agreeing on something."

Atlanta, Minnesota, and Toronto also were interested in House.

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball ... len_house/

[ARB729]

It has not become a total reality as I give Ainge until March 1st to see what he can do for the roster.

Okay, so after March 1st what are you gonna do?

[Fencer reregistered]

It has not become a total reality as I give Ainge until March 1st to see what he can do for the roster.

Okay, so after March 1st what are you gonna do?

I imagine he's going to root for the Celtics. What about you?