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The official DON'T trade Amar'e thread!

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Re: The official DON'T trade Amar'e thread! 

Post#41 » by rsavaj » Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:10 am

tsherkin wrote:I'm definitely pro-trade at this point, because the Suns don't really have a future right now. The chemistry's too poor, the management's too incompetent, the owner's the new Donald Sterling and there really isn't any youth on the team anymore, none worth mentioning in any case. That means this is The Window for a title and that means you should try to capitalize on that.

I think Amare's overrated, and I am unapologetic about it. I do, of course, recognize that he's among the most beastly scorers in the league if he's put in position to succeed and that has a lot of value. The Suns should certainly not pull the trigger on the first deal that comes a long and, if they had any sense, should pull a deal that makes sense now as opposed to going for cap relief and hoping for another season.

That article from HW Paroxysm is at least partially right; Amare does a lot of 'staying with his man to avoid being screamed at.' I've seen that a couple of times, so there are at least some problems with his D that aren't his fault and it's true that the Suns have made the WCFs TWICE prior to this despite Amare's defensive issues. And if they'd had a decent big-bodied guy ala Przybilla or Ostertag and a decent wing creator aside from Nash, they would have beaten the Spurs one of these previous seasons, but their roster held them back and it's not specifically Amare who's at fault.

Ultimately though, the deal's soul; this team as is must be finished. Mike D is gone, and with him SSOL and the Suns as we know them. They can still run and gun and what-not, but they need to take advantage of Shaq right now and try to win. Or they need to commit to a full-on rebuilding project and that means moving all assets for youth... in which case, retaining Amare is wise, and god help us if he JJ's out because he's sick of ownership.

EDIT: Warspite made an interesting and relatively accurate point over in the Pistons' forum; when Amare's playing well on offense (hitting a bunch of shots in a row), his defense tends to elevate. It's an immature trait, but when he's getting his touches, he seems to get better, especially when he's hitting shots. If the Suns do intend to keep him, they MUST feed him the ball. As often as possible. Like 18 FGA/g frequently.


His energy level is directly correlated to how well he's doing on offense, and his defense is directly correlated to his energy level, or "the juice" as Mike D used to call it. Our entire team used to play that way as a unit.
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Re: The official DON'T trade Amar'e thread! 

Post#42 » by mkot » Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:38 am

The more I think about it, I think a deal is very likely. I don't have source, but if we're dealing Amare for cap relief, as many source out there has confirmed (including dbdynasty here), then I'm sure Kerr will take whatever deal available to get rid of Amare and his contract. He did it once with KT, he can do it again. And $arver is gonna be a happy man. And after the trade, Kerr will remind us that we drafted Lopez as if he's gonna be the second coming of Dwight Howard. He will also remind us that he drafted Dragic, who's the second best PG in the draft. Just like how he reminded us after the KT trade that we still have Sean Marks to petrol the paint as if he is the Suns Savior.

Some people said it was the Shaq trade that brought us into this mess, I think it goes all the way back to the KT trade. Trading KT that year immediately made us a less versatile team without a defensive minded big up front. Then when the Lakers landed Gasol, we were forced to make a deal to play against them. That's why we traded for Shaq. I still don't think it's the right deal and we should at least get a pick in return for sending them Marion. Whatever.

I think at some point, we have to stopping kidding ourselves and realize that this team is own by a business man, not a fan. We aren't trading Amare for talents, we're trading him for salary relief and more likely than not we will get raped. Other teams are gonna smell the desperation from these morons and we'll get nailed. Tyrus Thomas + Hughes or whatever for Amare. Yay!

Let's hope I'm wrong.
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Re: The official DON'T trade Amar'e thread! 

Post#43 » by suns12345 » Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:59 am

i hope we do shaq for hughes gooden thomas picks. that would be way better than trading amare. + it keeps sarver happy with like 19 mil expiring i think
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Re: The official DON'T trade Amar'e thread! 

Post#44 » by jamesgang1 » Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:16 pm

why not just trade shaq for expirings? amare has a future, shaq is done in a year or 2 and the suns will be looking for another center. perfect scenerio would be shaq for marbury and suns buy him out but new york won't trade marbury for anything.

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