Artest is not the problem

Don Draper · Post #1 » by **Don Draper** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:55 pm

I've been MIA for while because of my academic obligations, but I am seeing people put the blame on Artest for the Rocket's locker room issues. To me that is ridiculous. I wish he keeps calling out McLady. Artest is just saying what everyone is thinking. Has he been playing well this season? No. But at least he tries hard every night unlike our former superstar. T-Mac is a bum and that's why the Rockets are underachieving. Not because of Artest. Not because of Battier. Not because of Adelman. T-Mac is a perennial loser, crybaby, and excuse-maker, but yet people still put their hope in this guy to turn it around. That's laughable. In the back of my mind I kinda hope the Rockets don't make the playoffs so management can be given a wake-up call.

MaxRider · Post #2 » by **MaxRider** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:02 pm

look at my sig
we know T-Mac is the problem
problem is no team will take him

Iggyemu · Post #3 » by **Iggyemu** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:43 pm

Nope he isn't. But he is part of it. As is McGrady, Alston, Adelman. The thing about Artest is like what Max said. He is extremely easy to move and he would net us a good player in return. I am kinda sure that everyone on this board knows McGrady isn't turning anything around. Problem is...the rest of league knows that too and nobody is calling about him. So what do you do? You move the piece you can move...hope to address the long standing issue of PG play and hope these guys can make it happen for the next season and a half. If not...they all expire and we get a do over.

HTown_TMac · Post #4 » by **HTown_TMac** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:13 pm

I get tired of Artest Full Court iso's.. Thats all. He is a decent player with an expiring contract. Which is why he is in most trade ideas.

ikedog34 · Post #5 » by **ikedog34** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:18 pm

He's not the solution, either.

PocketRockets · Post #6 » by **PocketRockets** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:02 pm

HAHAHAh it's funny how we....hell everyone in the league knows tmac is a failure except our front office. They consistently try to bring in better players (which is good for the team) but continues to try to baby tmac. I've said it before that I hope Artest punks tmac and shows him that he's a pussy. I also said that it would kill the team b/c tmac will just cower, put his tail between his legs and walk to his doghouse like the lil bitch that he is. This is happening right now folks. So what are you going to do? Trade away a piece that could get you a championship? No

I might be the only one that feels like this and that's fine, but I think a core of Artest, Yao, Scola, and battier have a better chance at winning a championship that Yao/tmac (forget that it's 4 vs. 2 players, it's not the point). For years, we've seen this loser kill our seasons, it's time to move on.

Cut back his minutes if he's not gonna play hard...and move on with Yao and Artest as the leaders of this team. The team/Coach needs to put that out there and stand behind it. Put players out there that will run his schemes and play hard. We all know Tmac won't and thats fine....leave him on the bench. This team is still great without him.

Play_Smart! · Post #7 » by **Play_Smart!** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:48 pm

PocketRockets wrote:HAHAHAh it's funny how we....hell everyone in the league knows tmac is a failure except our front office. They consistently try to bring in better players (which is good for the team) but continues to try to baby tmac. I've said it before that I hope Artest punks tmac and shows him that he's a pussy. I also said that it would kill the team b/c tmac will just cower, put his tail between his legs and walk to his doghouse like the lil bitch that he is. This is happening right now folks. So what are you going to do? Trade away a piece that could get you a championship? No

I might be the only one that feels like this and that's fine, but I think a core of Artest, Yao, Scola, and battier have a better chance at winning a championship that Yao/tmac (forget that it's 4 vs. 2 players, it's not the point). For years, we've seen this loser kill our seasons, it's time to move on.

Cut back his minutes if he's not gonna play hard...and move on with Yao and Artest as the leaders of this team. The team/Coach needs to put that out there and stand behind it. Put players out there that will run his schemes and play hard. We all know Tmac won't and thats fine....leave him on the bench. This team is still great without him.

You are not the only one.

Amel · Post #8 » by **Amel** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:33 am

TCrack = Failure

T-Wack · Post #9 » by **T-Wack** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:40 am

Amel wrote:TCrack = Failure

Thank God for you. I don't have any idea how the **** you aren't in the front office right now with the basketball knowledge you possess.

sook · Post #10 » by **sook** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:42 am

It's so sad we bought the TMAC/YAO BS for 4 yrs.

You can tell early on if a combo is going to work, its not like it changes

Iverson/Detroit
Shaq/Suns

Gasol/Lakers

Iggyemu · Post #11 » by **Iggyemu** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:15 am

ikedog34 wrote:He's not the solution, either.

Exactly. Pocket Rockets....we can't win with Artest bro. Nothing I have seen from him ability wise leads me to believe that he can consistently take over games when Yao is struggling. His game is too isolation oriented and he doesn't seem to be able to post up the way he use to with the Kings.

T-Wack · Post #12 » by **T-Wack** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:20 am

No one guy is the problem with this team. Despite people making T-Mac into the scapeGOAT, him getting traded isn't going to stop Ron from chucking, or teach Rafer how to shoot, or bring back Battier's defense, or toughen Yao's stay puft ass up. And it sure as hell won't teach Rick how to coach. Once he's gone, it will be someone knew for you to bash. So go ahead and pick a guy, because there are plenty on this team.

RazorJordan32 · Post #13 » by **RazorJordan32** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:24 am

i think t-mac is a problem for the REGULAR season. dosent he kill in the playoffs? i think hes saving up for the playoffs.

he should try to win games in regular season to make it to the playoffs

blims10 · Post #14 » by **blims10** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:53 am

T-Wack wrote:No one guy is the problem with this team. Despite people making T-Mac into the scapeGOAT, him getting traded isn't going to stop Ron from chucking, or teach Rafer how to shoot, or bring back Battier's defense, or toughen Yao's stay puft ass up. And it sure as hell won't teach Rick how to coach. Once he's gone, it will be someone knew for you to bash. So go ahead and pick a guy, because there are plenty on this team.

You just have to compare the way we play with and w/o TMAC, you'll know who is the problem.

TMAC vs Yao (Althought not so obvious)
TMAC vs Alston
TMAC vs Artest

Who is the problem?

Face the truth.

T-Wack · Post #15 » by **T-Wack** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:02 am

The truth is we're pretty mediocre either way.

HTown_TMac · Post #16 » by **HTown_TMac** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:09 am

Artest with anyone hasn't really been good... Poor argument to me. Just my opinon though. Because only games that I fell Artest had a really good game was Dallas and the Jazz. The other ones his off balance jumpers just went in.

PocketRockets · Post #17 » by **PocketRockets** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:17 am

Iggyemu wrote:
ikedog34 wrote:He's not the solution, either.

Exactly. Pocket Rockets....we can't win with Artest bro. Nothing I have seen from him ability wise leads me to believe that he can consistently take over games when Yao is struggling. His game is too isolation oriented and he doesn't seem to be able to post up the way he use to with the Kings.

What about that nuggets or jazz game...i think it went into OT...when it was Yao and Artest...and in OT Artest posted up like 4-5 possessions straight and basically grinded out that win for us?

But sadly enough, you are right. In all honesty, a championship probably won't come from a Artest/Yao team, now that the lakers have gasol, but you can't tell me....a Yao/artest team isn't better than a Yao/Tmac team. Maybe 4 years ago...you'd call me crazy (i'd probably call myself crazy) but the Tmac i've seen in the past 2-3 seasons has me fed up.

fisterkev · Post #18 » by **fisterkev** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:47 am

i think t-mac is a problem for the REGULAR season. dosent he kill in the playoffs? i think hes saving up for the playoffs.

he should try to win games in regular season to make it to the playoffs

At this rate there will be no playoffs. And if there are, there will be another first round exit because the team still hasn't learned how to play together.

TMac is done. I don't know why, but it seems like he's just pretty much given up. It's just too bad that teams can't just friggen fire people like this... We're stuck with hiom and his contract, because everyone else knows that he's done, too.

I also doubt that a Yao/Artest combo alone won't cut it, but I'm pretty sure at this point that any combo with TMac isn't going to cut it. At least Artest gives effort, we don't even get that anymore from TMac. I'd rather have a core of Artest/Yao and build around that than what we've got now.

Post #19 » by **TMACFORMVP** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:18 am

ikedog34 wrote:He's not the solution, either.

Bingo.

moofs · Post #20 » by **moofs** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:30 am

We should make the playoffs barring a total implosion. Just don't expect anything.