Marvin Williams question

KM44 · Post #1 » by **KM44** » Mon Feb 9, 2009 3:48 am

So I'm a kings fan, and I was wondering how important Williams is to your squad and how much it would take to get him from you guys. I would be willing to give up:

Salmons
Miller
Greene
Williams (exp)
Douby (exp)
Moore
Hou 1st rounder
Our 2nd rounder

It wouldn't be all of those guys (obviously) but some sort of package could be put together to get him to the kings.

Thanks for your time

Adobozz · Post #2 » by **Adobozz** » Mon Feb 9, 2009 6:38 am

Not much talent there.. Marvin is only 22 and he is averaging 14.2 and 6.5 as a 4th option on a high seeded playoff team.... and plus he is our best defender.

We have to get one of these in return for Marvin:

Hawes

Thompson.

or Sac 1st rnd pick..

Talent wise Marvin is on same level as these guys with more experience.

With Joe Johnson out 2 games, Marvin averaged 25 points a game...

If Marvin went to Kings he would be averaging at least 20 and 7 while playing exceptional D.

conleyorbust · Post #3 » by **conleyorbust** » Mon Feb 9, 2009 4:12 pm

Marv is a solid player on both sides of the ball. His offense was pretty impressive with Joe out of the lineup. The best shot you'd have would be if ATL management decided that they didn't want to deal with resigning Marv this offseason. It would almost certainly have to include a 1st + a replacement swingman if that were the case in their minds.

KM44 · Post #4 » by **KM44** » Mon Feb 9, 2009 6:13 pm

True, but what are the chances of you guys retaining him with joe having to be resigned as well as bibby? I you traded him, at least you could get some solid value for him.

Salmons, Greene, Hou 1st for Williams would be one offer I would do.

conleyorbust · Post #5 » by **conleyorbust** » Mon Feb 9, 2009 7:04 pm

KM44 wrote:True, but what are the chances of you guys retaining him with joe having to be resigned as well as bibby? I you traded him, at least you could get some solid value for him.

Well that is certainly the question isn't it?

How much would the Kings be willing to pay him in FA is a question I'd ask. If you end up looking at a number that looks reasonable for the Hawks as well, than we'd probably end up keeping the kid, right?

KM44 · Post #6 » by **KM44** » Mon Feb 9, 2009 9:21 pm

^I could imagine the kings throwing a ton of money at this guy. We need a future SF, and we we would to a lot to get him on our team. We are going to try and get expirings for miller and hopefully we can get a big one by pairing salmons with moore or thomas, so we will definately have some money to throw at him.

raleigh · Post #7 » by **raleigh** » Mon Feb 9, 2009 9:47 pm

I would be really surprised to see the Kings do anything major this offseason, particularly at SF. They already have Garcia.

KM44 · Post #8 » by **KM44** » Mon Feb 9, 2009 9:50 pm

Garcia is not going to be our SF of the future. He is a great role player, but he still has a lot to learn. This is a problem because he's already 27.

Garcia is basically Hedo Turkuglu. He'll probably play his best in like 6 years, which is too long for the kings.

JoshB914 · Post #9 » by **JoshB914** » Mon Feb 9, 2009 9:53 pm

The Kings need to stop firing coaches left and right, pick a direction for their organization, and stick with it.

They have been completely clueless over the past few years. They stubbornly held onto Bibby/C-Webb/Artest for wayyy too long, waiting for the right offer while inexplicably thinking they could compete with the big boys of the WC. In the end, they ended up dealing all three for next to nothing.

Then they try to go through a rebuilding process by firing their coaches every couple of seasons, deciding that Beno Udrih is the future at PG, and the like. Basically they are trying to tear it down and build it up, but don't appear to have the patience to actually rebuild. Just my two cents,

KM44 · Post #10 » by **KM44** » Mon Feb 9, 2009 10:08 pm

^Very well put! I'm not quite sure why you decided to go on this rant, but I agree with all of it. I was very against the hiring of mussleman and against the firing of theus, so that comes down to the trailer trash family of the maloofs. Don't even get me started on them, they're almost worse than cuban.

Anywho, we made mistakes on bibby and c-webb, no doubt, I mean the webber trade is still haunting us in the form of Kenny thomas. Beno should not and will not be our future PG, so that's a very simple, yet costly mistake.

As for the organization trying to rebuild, I agree! We do need to stop wasting our time playing guys like mikki moore and brad miller and just let hawes and thompson play and learn the NBA game. Unfortunatly, the maloofs keep on getting involved and saying to petrie that he needs to do this, that and the other, and Petrie has officially given up and said whatever.

Now that we're the worst team in the league, the maloofs are starting to back off and petrie will have the reign to do what he wants.

So basically, you are right, we need to go into total rebuild and start fresh, hence why I'm inquiring about Marvin Williams. Which is the topic we are on. Is he a restricted FA at the end of the season?

D21 · Post #11 » by **D21** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:48 am

Yes, he will be a Restricted F.A., but a "special" one because of his Q.O.
His Q.O. is for more than 7M$, so if he doesn't get a good offer, he can take the Q.O., stay with ATL next season, then become a Unrestricted F.A. in 2010 where lots of teams will have cap room.

About the Bibby and Marvin situation, I think ATL has great chance to keep both as long as they don't ask more than 10M/yr (a 20M total) as they already make more than 20M.
I see Bibby's pay cut going on Marvin contract.
The best would be to give them flat contract to not increase too much the salaries in the next years and it would give Marvin more cash immediately (with a 50M/5yrs, it gives him 10M in fist year with a flat contract, instead of 8,26M with a standard contract, and 3M more than his Q.O.).
And for Joe, his extension will come when Speedy 5M contract comes to end.

So if we don't trade expiring (Zaza) for running contracts, there is not so much problem to keep everybody.
And while I would like to trade for a big (Miller ?), adding salaries, I am OK to keep everybody and just add someone with MLE if we have room under the tax (especially if Zaza doesn't stay).

KM44 · Post #12 » by **KM44** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:21 am

^Makes sense. Well if the kings can get some expirings from salmons and miller, then we will go after him with all we've got. Thanks for the info guys and I hope for the best for both of our teams.

raleigh · Post #13 » by **raleigh** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:38 am

KM44 wrote:Garcia is not going to be our SF of the future.

And yet he's still owed $5+ million next season. In fact, the Kings have obligated themselves to over $20M next year to the Udrih-Martin-Garcia backcourt.

Add in the fact that their draft pick (another $3M or so) will almost certainly be a perimeter player because of the young players already being groomed in the frontcourt, and there's little chance the Kings go after Marvin.

They'll be saving their money for 2010, when they'll have max cap room and a better idea of what they have in Thompson and Hawes.

KM44 · Post #14 » by **KM44** » Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:28 am

We are going after expirings for miller and salmons, and if we can package moore and/or thomas with them, then we will have plenty of cap.

BMF Jet Jaguar · Post #15 » by **BMF Jet Jaguar** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:51 am

i loved green predraft-nohomo ha, whats he lookin like over in sactown?

KM44 · Post #16 » by **KM44** » Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:05 am

Greene definately has some potential. He hasn't gotten the minutes to truly stand out, but he will hopefully do some great things. I would be willing to add him instead of Hou 1st if you wanted.

Salmons, Miller, Greene for Marvin, Speedy, Zaza?