O.T. STEROIDS AND THE NBA

[LA Warrior]

I'm sure someones used it before in the NBA. Anyone who thinks it will "only make you bigger and stronger" is nuts. Trackstars and pitchers were using this and like someone said HGH can add many years to a career (ex. Roger Clemons). And testing THAT effective. theres still the off season and this stuff has been made not to be detected in pee tests.

[Dexmor]

Alot of players use steroids. You can only get so big without them. Marbury, Lebron, Kobe alot.
The truth is it does help alot but not like in baseball. With baseball it can make what would be a pop fly a homer. In basketball it helps alot but not that much.
I wonder sometimes if Stern uses patsies like when that guy with the double same name got kicked out for steroids. Maybe he'll let a scrub go here and there to look like he is cracking down.
The nba though has not had a Conseco write a book and out the league which could have alot to do with it. David Stern was a great lawyer to.

[TonyMontana]

^^^^^^^^^^^^ Another great post by yours truly star24 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[hermes]

I wonder sometimes if Stern uses patsies like when that guy with the double same name got kicked out for steroids.

who?

[primbs222]

Anyone that thinks that NBA players would not use steroids to gain an edge is naive. Steroids can be used for all of the following:
Power, Speed, Jumping higher, muscle recuperation, aggressiveness, confidence.

Those of you that think that an improvement in the above athletic qualities will not make you a better basketball player just simply have your head in the sand or you don't know the game of basketball. I played college football and had roommates that took steroids and watched these guys improve in all of the above qualities first hand while they were cycling.
One of our top receivers took steroids to increase his speed and explosiveness and you would never know by looking at him that he was juiced. He was very lean and cut but not real bulky.
I don't know who is or who is not taking them in the NBA, but if these small college kids would take them just to help them play for a non-scholarship level team, why would I believe that these men in the NBA would not try to gain an edge when multi-million dollar contracts are on the line.
Given the opportunity, I believe that most people would succumb to the temptation and try to gain the same edge. I am all for frequent testing and I would like to see the league crack down on this but the truth is that they don't want it stopped. The NBA has some tough times ahead of them because of the huge contracts and the poor economy. Many fans might tune out if it were not for Labron jumping over people to dunk or D Howard pushing people around like he is superman.
That is just the way it is and until a big name NBA star gets caught it will all stay under the rug.

[TonyMontana]

Anyone that thinks that NBA players would not use steroids to gain an edge is naive. Steroids can be used for all of the following:
Power, Speed, Jumping higher, muscle recuperation, aggressiveness, confidence.

Those of you that think that an improvement in the above athletic qualities will not make you a better basketball player just simply have your head in the sand or you don't know the game of basketball. I played college football and had roommates that took steroids and watched these guys improve in all of the above qualities first hand while they were cycling.
One of our top receivers took steroids to increase his speed and explosiveness and you would never know by looking at him that he was juiced. He was very lean and cut but not real bulky.
I don't know who is or who is not taking them in the NBA, but if these small college kids would take them just to help them play for a non-scholarship level team, why would I believe that these men in the NBA would not try to gain an edge when multi-million dollar contracts are on the line.
Given the opportunity, I believe that most people would succumb to the temptation and try to gain the same edge. I am all for frequent testing and I would like to see the league crack down on this but the truth is that they don't want it stopped. The NBA has some tough times ahead of them because of the huge contracts and the poor economy. Many fans might tune out if it were not for Labron jumping over people to dunk or D Howard pushing people around like he is superman.
That is just the way it is and until a big name NBA star gets caught it will all stay under the rug.

So this is your 1st post on realgm????

Oh by the way....... Welcome to realgm.

[primbs222]

I just stumbled accross it yesterday

[MajorDad]

athletes involved in a wide assortment of sports have tested positive for some sort of performance enhancing drug (PED). Just by observation, the current strand of PED no longer makes the athlete look big in the head or overly bulky. No one will mistake Marion Jones with Jose Canseco. but the facts remain that jones took as much PEDS as Canseco did. And Jones never tested positive for anything.

Last year Gary Player came public and said he knew of at least 10 top golfers who were taking some type of performance enhancing drug. Anybody notice Mickleson's body seems to have changed from last year? his face is a lot thinner. I wouldn't doubt that John Daly takes performance enhancers. A golfer can gain a tremendous edge if he is able to hit a 320 yard drive off the tee.

The Williams sisters and Nadal have come out against pro tennis implementing a random drug check, saying it would hamper their lifestyle and it's totally not necessary because tennis players don't use PEDS. That would appear as if they have something to hide.

Both womens and mens swimming have a very long history of having its athletes take PEDS of some type. Who can forget those Eastern Germany women swimmers? or should we call them men?

The NFL has a very big number of its players taking PEDS and it doesn't really seem to care and it hasn't stopped. The entire Carolina defensive line that was in the Super bowl admitted publically to taking HGH. The Pittsburg steelers lineman of the 70's and 80's all admitted to taking steriods. The NFL has guys like merriman who took steriods, got caught at it and was still allowed to play in the pro bowl. Bonds has a freind who is a linebacker for the patriots who used the same supplier? say it ain't so. it has been said there is no current test implemented in the NFL to check for HGH. if there was, it would lose half of its players.

Cycling is one of the highest tech drug sports that exists. they use so many different drugs and masking agents and blood doping, it's not even funny or a sport anymore.

Hollyfield has taken peds for who knows how long and never tested positive. it must have been for that ear infection he had.

it was said of Mark McGuire that he didn't use PEDS for just the additional strength it provided, but rather to keep himself healthier and have the ability to play in 162 games at full strength. McGuire always had the power, but he would frequently break down and miss 5-20 games a year. A point that is seldom made about all the home runs being hit in baseball is that many of the ball parks have brought in their outfield fences 5-10 feet. And today's pitchers throw a lot more 90+ fastballs right down the pipe which are a lot easier to hit for homers. and more players swing for the fences today than try to spray the ball to all fields just to get a hit. When steriods first became an issue in baseball, it was said that no way could a pitcher be using the juice because it would adversely affect the pitcher's ability to pitch because of increased bulk etc. 5 years later , we find that the majority of peds users are pitchers.

I noticed an earlier post in this thread that said that NBA players who participated in the Olympics were not subject to the same drug testing that other olympic athletes were. if true, thats' a sham. When it comes to drug testing, the NBA doesn't even do a good job of identifying marijauna or cocaine users, much less identify steriod or HGH users. And when a player like Randolph is identified as a drug user, it's not like the NBA is going to suspend him. Give him a drug movie to watch and see some counselor for 4 weeks. Suspension for drug or PEDS use ? not in the NBA.

There are many different uses for PEDS besides just bulking up. And there are many different types of PEDS currently used. i could see a PF or center wanting PEDS to increase their body strength and weight. I could see the entire Phoenix Suns team taking PEDS to aid in their endurance for their running game. I could see old guys like Grant Hill, Vince Carter, and Ray Allen taking PEDS to stay healthy and bounce back from injuries faster. I could see young guys like monta Ellis, Oden, and bynum and all stars like Wade, Arenas and Jermaine O'Neal taking PEDS to heal quicker. I could see many injury prone players like TJ Ford and Camby taking PEDS in an attempt to stay healthy. There are endless scenarios of where an NBA player could take PEDS to improve his performance or prolong his career. I wouldn't be shocked to learn that Parrish, Mchale, Bird, Ewing, Barkley, MJ, Pippen and Rodman were all on steriods or PEDs.

The NBA has a long history of covering up. Milwaukee received money under the table and no draft picks for allowing Dr j to play for the 76ers. MJ was allowed to retire/unretire rather than be suspended for his gambling habits. Ewing being drafted by the Knicks has made a lot of people suspicious. The NBA refs bet on the games.

The question remains why does the NBA not have somebody like Canseco who would blow the whistle and tell the public about the real PED use in the NBA. My first thought is that the old NBA players were taking so many different other drugs, no player knew if the guy was high because of PEDs, or if he was just high from some other drug. My second theory is that the NBA has more secretive suppliers and stern does a much better job of covering up for his players. Nobody would have ever known marion jones was taking the juice if not for the paper documentation found at Balco. baseball had the mets trainer blow the whistle. For every Balco, there must be at least 10-100 other suppliers/makers who have not been caught. A lot more NFL players have been identified as HGH users from paper documentation than from testing positive. and truthfully, it's not illegal to make steriods or HGH. My sister-in-law with MS has been taking steriods for the past 20 years. My third theory is that the NBA is more thug oriented than any other sport. if an NBA player was about to tell the truth, he'd probably have an unfortunate accident. anybody who believes the NBA is clean of PEDS is a very naive person. They probably also believe NBA officiating is objective too.

HGH is already the PED of the past. it has already been replaced by SARA.

professional athletes take PEDS for many different reasons. To believe the NBA is clean when every other sport has users, is naive.


No new taxes! how many people believed that ?

the stock market can't possibly fall any further ?

Lebron doesn't travel?

[Gold Chain]

Anyone that thinks that NBA players would not use steroids to gain an edge is naive. Steroids can be used for all of the following:
Power, Speed, Jumping higher, muscle recuperation, aggressiveness, confidence.

Those of you that think that an improvement in the above athletic qualities will not make you a better basketball player just simply have your head in the sand or you don't know the game of basketball. I played college football and had roommates that took steroids and watched these guys improve in all of the above qualities first hand while they were cycling.
One of our top receivers took steroids to increase his speed and explosiveness and you would never know by looking at him that he was juiced. He was very lean and cut but not real bulky.
I don't know who is or who is not taking them in the NBA, but if these small college kids would take them just to help them play for a non-scholarship level team, why would I believe that these men in the NBA would not try to gain an edge when multi-million dollar contracts are on the line.
Given the opportunity, I believe that most people would succumb to the temptation and try to gain the same edge. I am all for frequent testing and I would like to see the league crack down on this but the truth is that they don't want it stopped. The NBA has some tough times ahead of them because of the huge contracts and the poor economy. Many fans might tune out if it were not for Labron jumping over people to dunk or D Howard pushing people around like he is superman.
That is just the way it is and until a big name NBA star gets caught it will all stay under the rug.

Is there any characterisics that the more slimming steriods, like your reciever in college, would show as opposed to just big muslces? I was a big WWF fan in the 80's and 90's and remember how everyone was diesel and they were all buff. Most of those dudes had a fattish belly with huge arms and some back acne. Any signs that you could say might be from a player using the steriods for a slimming, more cut effect?

[DEEP3CL]

Most people think bulk and steroids go hand in hand......................oh well

Don't sweat the technique
Don't sweat the technique
Let's trace the hint and check the file
Let's see who bent and detect the style

[MikeyMike]

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I have no idea what that's supposed to mean, deep3.

[DEEP3CL]

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I have no idea what that's supposed to mean, deep3.

That's a line from Eric B & Rakim's "Don't Sweat The Technique "........................somebody said they wonder why NBA guys don't get brought up in drug useage when it comes to steroids and them never being tested for it. Personally I don't think guys can use that stuff and play at a high level. But if they are then they've never been caught yet that's why I wrote Rakim's line in my first post.

Think about it for a minute.