Nets, Wiz and Suns

[njnets10]

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.ph ... id=5010592

Part 1 - Yi, Hassell, and rights to Drejer plus 2 # 1 picks (Nets 09 and Mavs) for Caron Butler.

Part 2 - Swift, Simmons and Boone and GS pick for Shaq.

Nets will need to pick up a player from the D league to get back to 13 minimum.

Why for Nets: Shaq plays 28 minutes and Lopez play 20 at C and 12 at PF. Anderson picks up the rest at PF. Starters: DH, VC, Butler, Lopez, Shaq.

Why for Wiz: Yi and 2 #1s. Even with everyone healthy, they aren't good enough to get past the 2nd round and this allows them to rebuild and stay decent. Might even add the 2011 Nets #1 if necessary.

Why for Suns: Sarver is undercutting Kerr and might be open to this salary dump. If necessary, give them the 2011 Nets pick and give Wiz the GS pick.

The drawback of giving away all the Nets #1 picks (except for the 2010 pick) is balanced against a team that if Shaq stays healthy, this team could challenge anyone.

[Revolutionistt]

No and No. 2 #1 draft picks for butler? hes nice and all but we could get MUCH better for that package. same goes for the shaq deal. that golden state first could be VERY valuable. and shaq isnt that reliable anymore anyway.

[njnets10]

Yi and 2 #1s for Butler is not over the top. It might not even be enough to get him.

Shaq can still produce, especially if his minutes are limited.

The big question is can Frank develop an offense to maximize a starting team of DH, VC, Butler, Lopez and Shaq?

[VCRJKidd15]

two #1 draft picks for butler....lolololol

[jeff1624]

2 trades and we end up getting butler AND shaq without giving up lopez/harris... and you're complaining because we're giving up 2 draft picks..

[deviljets7]

Yi and 2 #1s, for Butler isn't exactly cheap for Butler. He's a phenomenal player, but we can't ignore the fact that he has missed 48 games over the past 2.5 years. If I had any faith in Butler playing 80 games a year, this wouldn't be an issue for debate.

As for the Shaq trade, I can't see the Suns signing off on that one. They may not be able to get purely expiring for Shaq, but I'd guess they could get more financial relief than this. Simmons' deal is pretty ugly.

[vincecarter4pres]

that golden state first could be VERY valuable.

No it couldn't.

Yi and 2 #1s, for Butler isn't exactly cheap for Butler. He's a phenomenal player, but we can't ignore the fact that he has missed 48 games over the past 2.5 years. If I had any faith in Butler playing 80 games a year, this wouldn't be an issue for debate.

Agreed.
Maybe take out a 1st, maybe both.

As for the Shaq trade, I can't see the Suns signing off on that one. They may not be able to get purely expiring for Shaq, but I'd guess they could get more financial relief than this. Simmons' deal is pretty ugly.

I don't know. They save over 12 mill and get a nice player and a possible late teens 1st for a player that only plays around 60 games a year, who needs the incredible Phoenix medical staff to keep even that healthy.
I can't see him bringing back too much more.

two #1 draft picks for butler....lolololol

Although I agree tha tit maybe a little bit of an overpay, it's not this dramatic for the corny ZOMG reaction.

2 trades and we end up getting butler AND shaq without giving up lopez/harris... and you're complaining because we're giving up 2 draft picks..

You do have to look at it from this perspective as well.
Still, that doesn't mean we have to overpay for 2 very injury prone players.
Though I would if we could field this lineup with a solid bench.
That would be critical though, considering it is not a possibility, but a guarentee that both Shaq and Butler miss numerous games.
And with all this salary, draft picks become critical to cheaply fill out a bench with quality players.

Yi and 2 #1s for Butler is not over the top. It might not even be enough to get him.

I do have to say, the way Washington's brass talks about him, this is what they believe.

The big question is can Frank develop an offense to maximize a starting team of DH, VC, Butler, Lopez and Shaq?

This makes me cringe even imagining the debacle that would be next season.
This year, let Opie see what he is capable of with this lineup.
But would Thorn fire Frank(dot com) before next season and bring in a legitimate top coach to get the best results out of the HOF lineup we would have after the proposed trade?
If Thorn was gonna stay with Opie, are these trades even worth it or logical?

[Preludepunk27]

Oh my god Drejer is in this deal lol. 50 bucks the other GM's involved will be like "Who the F--- is Christian Drejer?" He doesn't carry the same weight that Tiago Splitter or Fran Vazquez has.

[njnets10]

You don't like Drejer in the deal - no biggie. Some people like to accumulate junk. Why do you think there are so many storage places in the US. We are the only country where people fill their garages with junk and leave their valuable cars outside.

Celtics took a gamble and brought in 2 aging stars. This proposal is similar, but we still keep DH, VC, Lopez, RA, Dooling, and Hayes. Also have Najera and even Swat for you hopeless dreamers.

If it doesn't work next year, then Shaq comes off the books and we can always trade VC. I think NEXT summer is the best time to trade VC. All tose teams clearing cap space, but how many players are going to move. LBJ - maybe, maybe not. Same for Wade. Same for a lot of them. Bosh will probably move but there will be a lot of teams will lots of cap space. That means Nets can trade VC for picks and not have to take any bad contracts back. Of course it assumes VC will stay healthy, but so far, he has been very durable.

As for giving up so many picks, our picks over the last 5 years have been mostly lousy. Krstic if not for the injury would have been an exception. Now we were in the lottery AND got very lucky to have Lopez drop to us.

Of course, Frank is the wild card, joker, fly-in-the-oitment and main reason why we should and shouldn't do a deal like this. Do you really think an AllStar will want to come to play for the Nets and listen to Frankie raving on the sidelines? Remember when MJ made his famous quote about the Net players having to listen to another coach yelling all the time?

[njnets10]

If the possible exception of Yi, all we're giving away is junk and picks for a legit shot at a ring if everyone stays healthy.

Yi had all of 5 good back to back games, mostly against mediocre competition, and yet some fans think he's the next Nowitzki.

Some of the picks we can get back when we deal VC in the summer of 2010. Shaq also comes off the books that summer but it would be a bad time to get into a bidding war with other teams.

[Preludepunk27]

You don't like Drejer in the deal - no biggie. Some people like to accumulate junk. Why do you think there are so many storage places in the US. We are the only country where people fill their garages with junk and leave their valuable cars outside.

Celtics took a gamble and brought in 2 aging stars. This proposal is similar, but we still keep DH, VC, Lopez, RA, Dooling, and Hayes. Also have Najera and even Swat for you hopeless dreamers.

If it doesn't work next year, then Shaq comes off the books and we can always trade VC. I think NEXT summer is the best time to trade VC. All tose teams clearing cap space, but how many players are going to move. LBJ - maybe, maybe not. Same for Wade. Same for a lot of them. Bosh will probably move but there will be a lot of teams will lots of cap space. That means Nets can trade VC for picks and not have to take any bad contracts back. Of course it assumes VC will stay healthy, but so far, he has been very durable.

As for giving up so many picks, our picks over the last 5 years have been mostly lousy. Krstic if not for the injury would have been an exception. Now we were in the lottery AND got very lucky to have Lopez drop to us.

Of course, Frank is the wild card, joker, fly-in-the-oitment and main reason why we should and shouldn't do a deal like this. Do you really think an AllStar will want to come to play for the Nets and listen to Frankie raving on the sidelines? Remember when MJ made his famous quote about the Net players having to listen to another coach yelling all the time?

It's not that I don't like Drejer in the deal, but seriously, he's never coming to play in the US. No team would be like "oh man Drejer, sign me up!" There isn't a point to put him in a deal, when teams no he'll never play in the NBA. His rights don't count for anything to match salaries so he doesn't need to be there. It annoys me that his rights still show up in the trade checker.

[Rich Rane]

Drejer's retired. Couldn't recover from a foot injury. Virtus Roma released him almost a year ago.

[aussienet]

If I was an owner with Cubans pockets I would get shaq for a year just for a little fun. However Ratner is fast approaching Donald Stirling type status. IMHO.
I still would like to see Shaq play for us. Not too sure if Suns would be interested.

Can you imagine Shaq going Sprewell like on Frank for his terrible coaching/subs. I would like to see how far Shaq could throw his ass. It would be like watching a dwarf throwing contest. (no offence to the height challenged people of this world) but better.

Cheers

[Revolutionistt]

that golden state first could be VERY valuable.

No it couldn't.

you want to explain? golden state is garbage so that pick can end up being pretty high. i dont know what the protection on the pick is but regardless, its a first round pick. you can get better in return.

[njnets10]

you want to explain? golden state is garbage so that pick can end up being pretty high. i dont know what the protection on the pick is but regardless, its a first round pick. you can get better in return.

Because GS is garbage, that pick is protected for 3(?) years and then converts into 2 second round picks, one each in 2014 and 2016 (not sure of the years, but that's a long time to wait for a 2nd round pick). Only if GS improves will that pick become a first round pick.

[Revolutionistt]

you want to explain? golden state is garbage so that pick can end up being pretty high. i dont know what the protection on the pick is but regardless, its a first round pick. you can get better in return.

Because GS is garbage, that pick is protected for 3(?) years and then converts into 2 second round picks, one each in 2014 and 2016 (not sure of the years, but that's a long time to wait for a 2nd round pick). Only if GS improves will that pick become a first round pick.

right, but is it top 3 protected? lottery protected? if its just top 3 then it could end up being a good pick. if its lottery protected then i dont know, whatever hahah.

[vincecarter4pres]

The pick is permanently lotto protected.
If GS makes the playoffs, then the pick is ours.
Plus I don't think it is even available till 2011.
It goes like that till I believe 2013 and if they are still lotto, it becomes 2 2nd round picks, one in 2013, the other in I believe 2015.
It's possible that pick could become ours in 2011 or 2012 if GS sheds some garbage and stays with Beidrins and Monta as their core, but you're still lookin at maybe the 16 to 19th pick, which is not bad, but as a "what if" type of thing, it's not that valuable a trade asset or keeper.