bos/bucks idea

[kakopedi1]

Bucks may be looking to cut salaries so here it goes...

To Boston Charle Bell & Villanueva

To Bucks Scal, Pruitt, Giddens, Baby & Cassell(after 30 days he rejoins the C's)

[greenbeans]

I say yes, Milwaukee says no.

[sully00]

There are plenty of combos that would work for that type of deal it would depend on what MIL really would like coming back, you don't need both Pruitt and Giddens financially and roster spots would be an issue. I think it makes more sense to send Leon than Baby just based on skills and position with CV being an offensive PF and Baby's ability to play the 5, I would also think Leon has a little more trade value to the Bucks as he could replace CV for them.

A possible shady deal would be to use Eddie House. Have him agree to the deal (he has a no trade) as well as accepting a buyout for this year's salary only, year 2 is a player option, and he can come back to Boston in 30 days and they take care of him in the summer.

Something like

TA/House/Sam and one of the young guys for CV and Bell. They waive House and Cassell and only have TA's 2.5 mil on the books for next season (Giddens would add 1 mil guaranteed). It would cut 5.8 mil from next years salary based on CV's QO and unload Bell's anchor of a contract for MIL. If they don't have a better scenario by Thurs. they may well face non tendering CV to stay under the tax.

[humblebum]

It simply makes no sense to deal for guys like Bell and Villanueva... these guys are just marginal-solid improvements at positions that aren't truly in need of upgrades. The Celtics are pretty well set at PG and also PG-SG Combo type players (Rondo, House, Pruitt, Cassell, TA). Bell is possibly a nice mix of Pruitt and House in one body but he doesn't know the system or have the chemistry factor that House and Pruitt bring... and it seems dubious that House would go for such a deal as the one you describe Sully. And with Charlie V. you are essentially combining the best of Scals and Powe, without Scals savvy and effort on the defensive end IMO. That would be a nice player to have, especially for the second unit offense, but Charlie does not address the greater need of bringing in another frontcourt player who can defend interior scoring PF-C's.

What the team needs is to find a backup SF who can spread the floor, and/or a more complete backup PG (a la Marbury), and/or a big who can shoot and defend the 4-5 spots. Heck MAYBE Charlie V. can be a hybrid of needs 1 and 3 but that's far from the impression that I have of him as a player. He's definitely talented, but ultimately always gives the feeling that he's a stat padder who's out for himself and a nice paycheck. I don't see the need for him on the roster... not to the extent that I would be willing to sacrifice chemistry in order to acquire him.

[sully00]

Charlie Bell is comfortable and effective with the basketball in his hands and that is what makes him different than both House and Allen. We are far from set at the back up PG postion, the difference in this team with Rondo on the floor and off the floor can't be explained. The other nice thing about Bell is that he can play all 3 perimeter positions with varying success, simliar to Tony without the TO's and brain farts.

CV would give this team what we get out of TA, Powe, and Scal offensively in one package. You are talking about a legit 6th man who can score inside and out, rebound and is 6'11", essentially what Lamar Odom was giving the Lakers off the bench.

Whether or not House would go for such a deal is a huge question mark, it was simply a thought. I think chemistry is overrated, it is created by success and winning it isn't the cause of it. But I don't know how you can worry about the chemistry of a move like this and then in the next paragraph bring up adding Marbury.

[GreenDreamer]

Charlie Bell is comfortable and effective with the basketball in his hands and that is what makes him different than both House and Allen. We are far from set at the back up PG postion, the difference in this team with Rondo on the floor and off the floor can't be explained. The other nice thing about Bell is that he can play all 3 perimeter positions with varying success, simliar to Tony without the TO's and brain farts.

CV would give this team what we get out of TA, Powe, and Scal offensively in one package. You are talking about a legit 6th man who can score inside and out, rebound and is 6'11", essentially what Lamar Odom was giving the Lakers off the bench.

Whether or not House would go for such a deal is a huge question mark, it was simply a thought. I think chemistry is overrated, it is created by success and winning it isn't the cause of it. But I don't know how you can worry about the chemistry of a move like this and then in the next paragraph bring up adding Marbury.

I would do the deal for Charlie V and Bell in a heartbeat. Both are good shooters, and Bell's contract actually isn't that bad. It is bad for the Bucks, who are overloaded in the backcourt, but not for us.

Villanueva can play the 3 and the 4 spots. In a small lineup he would be extremely effective at the 4, with Rondo/Ray/Paul/KG around him. He is a good rebounder, and is a pretty good athlete. I actually think that getting him might not be the half season rental that many might think, as the problems in the economy might open the door for us to retain him for the full MLE. Guys who are dreaming of big paydays might have to put those dreams on hold, and Charlie could very well stay here a season or two more, waiting for his ship to come in, financially speaking.

Bell is a pretty good player who would benefit enormously from playing on a team like ours. His 3 point percentage could very well jump up 70 to 100 points getting the looks that Rondo/Ray/Paul?KG get him. Just look at the difference Rondo has made for Eddie. He isn't a playmaking point guard, but he is a solid ball handler and makes good decisions for the most part. I think that he would also benefit from playing in our defensive system. His man defense actually is decent, and he's a vet. Guys like House and Ray came here with poor defensive reps, but get exposed far less here.

What attracts me the most to a deal for these two is the idea of bring in two shooters to spread the floor for Rajon and Paul. Those guys need driving lanes to be at their best, and by adding two shooters to the mix we would be looking good. I would prefer to keep Eddie in a deal, but if a "wink, wink, nod, nod" deal was done, which allowed Eddie to come back here in 30 days, I'd be down with that too.

I wrote a post about the Spurs model regarding role players, and a trade like this, if it were possible, would help to set us up like them. San Antonio has one simple rule regarding their backups - You must be able to spread the floor and defend your position. That's it. GPA and Rondo are our core players. Other players must be able to fit in around them, not vice versa.